How does Ock survive Spidey's punches?

[Slimy Wall Crawler]

Which is why the movie Doc Ock got some kind of super strength and endurance rationale works for me. Roll with that and everything is fine. Again, he had to have something to walk around with those tentacles. I don't know how Ock's potential back problems are explained away in the comics at least.

 

[The Joker]

The tentacles are not fused to his spine in the comics. They were originally fused to his torso area. Then the doctors eventually found a way to remove them from his body.

But Ock still retained the mental link to his tentacles.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Like I said maybe the tentacles shift his bodyweight so that none of the hits are any more powerful than a glancing blow.

 

[November Rain]

truth be told, spidey should have never gotten anywhere near ock.

the reason blows were landed came down to a design effort with the tentacles. they are too short for us to believe that close quarters combat wouldn't be possible. ock should have always kept spidey at arms length so to speak. all the fight scenes should have been built around spidey looking for that one opening to knock out ock.

BUT as soon as he did this, the tentacles should have come into their own and become even more menacing.


the reason the animated 'Armed and dangerous' worked was because spidey couldn't challenge ock in a physical confrontation and had to use his wits to outsmart him.

there is pulling punches and then there is reasonable force. I don't see why tapping someone in the face 40 odd times is any more effective than one good landed punch. You can see in the film, those are well landed punches, HECK HE ELECTROCUTES THE GUY WITH SOME SERIOUS GEAR AT THE END OF THE FILM, there was no love lost between them two.

those scenes made it in because they were overlooked or considered to be a small issue but i felt they took away from the package of otto octavius and seeing an even more cocky milano would have added tenfold to his already great performance (based on what he was givento work with).

 

[Vile]

truth be told, spidey should have never gotten anywhere near ock.

the reason blows were landed came down to a design effort with the tentacles. they are too short for us to believe that close quarters combat wouldn't be possible. ock should have always kept spidey at arms length so to speak. all the fight scenes should have been built around spidey looking for that one opening to knock out ock.

Bingo.

The tentacles were cool, but they should have streamlined their design. They didnt need to be so huge and hulking.

 

[dariu3z]

i dont get it how doc ock can lift a car and still stand on his human feet

 

[November Rain]

we don't see the back two arms when he does that, they are obviously what is supporting the load.

 

[The Joker]

i dont get it how doc ock can lift a car and still stand on his human feet

He had his two bottom tentacles bracing him:

 

[dariu3z]

in one comic book doc ock lifted a train using all four hands

 

[OctoHaz]

in one comic book doc ock lifted a train using all four hands

I dunno about lift but he certainly stopped one rather abruptly, derailing it in the process:

 

[GuesssWho]

Sentient implies self awareness. I don't think the arm were sentient. They had an artificial intelligence designed to complete the fusion reactor, and clearly designed for self preservation, however they were still controlled by Ock's brain.
Now we see Ock unconcious twice. The first is of course the operating room. Now Ock has presumably been unconcious since the explosion and clearly the arms have not done anything till the moment they attack, and Ock is awake seconds after that. So are the arms working independently, OR is it Ock slowly gaining consciousness that allows the arms to awaken?
The second time is during the final fight. Spidey tricks Ock into stabbing the power cables, thus electrocuting Ock.
This knocks out both Ock AND the arms.
But both are fine as soon as Ock fully regains his capacities.
Clearly the electricity did not damage the arms, as they are designed to deal with high energies, AND there was no mention in the film of their being self-repairing.
So IMHO, if Spidey had knocked him out, the arms would be out too, at least till he starts to come to.

They are semi-sentient. They can't do things without his permission, or at least not as well.
Anyway, the arms can deal with HEAT. That's not the same as electricity.

The problem I have with the science, by the way, is that one, a reaction in the style of the sun won't self-stabilize until it's about 4 times larger than the planet Jupiter, and that water wouldn't do a bloody thing to it anyway.

 

[GEDRedemption]

Maybe. But I would assume that Spidey would be less inclined to pull his punches with Ock during the whole fight scene on the train. Especially when you consider that Ock has the love of Peter's life kidnapped somewhere in the city. Having Spider-Man pull his punches to the extent of doing little, to no harm to Ock during this time just seems questionable....
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If Spidey would have knocked Ock out he would have fell and had a car ran over him, Spiderman wouldn't have wanted that.

 

[November Rain]

there's no need trying to justify it, you won't get anything conclusive...

simply put it down to poor knowledge of the dr octupus character on raimi's account and therefore poor choereography based on this.

 

[Vile]

But Raimi can do NO wrong-!!

=)

 

[November Rain]

'Raimi' is the alternate spelling of the word 'wrong'

 

[The Joker]

there's no need trying to justify it, you won't get anything conclusive...

simply put it down to poor knowledge of the dr octupus character on raimi's account and therefore poor choereography based on this.

Don't let him off the hook that easily. Raimi knows all about Ock. He claims he's one of his favorite villains, and read all the classic villains when he was younger.

The real truth is that he ignored the comic book fighting rules regarding Ock, just to have it look dramatic when Spidey and Ock were fighting by having Spidey land punches on Ock.

 

[November Rain]

very true,

the only saving grace is the fact that the fights were actually pleasing to watch...

If Raimi hadn't had made them so good, i reckon he would have got a lot of stick

still though, one good thing doesn't always cancel out a bad one, if he had simplly stuck to the fight dynamics everyone else had, the scenes would have been really terrific but but instead they just end up being really good.

it all depends on how high your expectations are

 

[Vile]

I found the fight scenes to be lackluster, to say the least.

Rock'em Sock'em Octopus, it was what it was.

I can only watch Spidey punch a middle aged overweight scientist in the face so many times...side of a building....train....or not.

 

[antonydelfini]

What's funny is that doc ock seems to be more affected by aunt may's umbrella attack than spidey's multiple hard punches. My fave fighting scene though in a superhero film.

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

I dunno about lift but he certainly stopped one rather abruptly, derailing it in the process:

I like how the explanations for this are:
Spidey either jumps away to let Doc Ock get murdered,
or deliberately endangers a trainload of innocent people. (I'm assuming it was full of people, anyway. )

As for the whole surviving Spidey's punches, it's obvious the fat on his face cushioned the blows.

 

[gamemiester]

Its just a film dont take it so seriously people

 

[GuesssWho]

What's funny is that doc ock seems to be more affected by aunt may's umbrella attack than spidey's multiple hard punches. My fave fighting scene though in a superhero film.

Maybe it's a magic umbrella?t:

 

[e-three]

Here's a better question...why didn't Spider-Man kill the burglar way back in Amazing Fantasy #15? As I recall, he punched the burglar in the face, knocking him out. Now I'm sure Spidey wasn't thinking "gee, I better pull my punch" when he's face to face with the man that killed his Uncle Ben, so how was the burglar's head still attached to his body after taking a punch from a guy that can lift 10 tons? Why, whoever wrote that story totally screwed up just like Raimi did!

Oh yeah, Stan Lee wrote it.

If the burglar (who is nothing more than an average joe) can survive an encounter with an enraged Spider-Man in the comics, and if in Spider-Man 1 "Bonesaw McGraw" can take multiple kicks to the head from a Spider-Man that is still testing his powers and still be conscious (although not for long), then Doc Ock can take a few hits from Spidey in Spider-Man 2. I mean c'mon, you can buy that a "perpetual sun" can not only be created with a machine but can also be stopped by just sinking it in a river but you're a stickler on the punches.

 

[GuesssWho]

I mean c'mon, you can buy that a "perpetual sun" can not only be created with a machine but can also be stopped by just sinking it in a river but you're a stickler on the punches.

I know. I mean, come on!
A self-sustaining sun only comes into being at 10 or 20 times the size of Jupiter, and all the water in the multiverse can't drown a fusion reaction. Fusion is not fire!

EDIT: And another thing: in the movie Otto gets hit by a desk and is thrown through a window into a car. Why is no one wondering about THAT?

 

[Infinity9999x]

Don't let him off the hook that easily. Raimi knows all about Ock. He claims he's one of his favorite villains, and read all the classic villains when he was younger.

The real truth is that he ignored the comic book fighting rules regarding Ock, just to have it look dramatic when Spidey and Ock were fighting by having Spidey land punches on Ock.

Yup, the good Doctor has it right. Though I must say it really annoyed me in the movie. I found myself going ..."okay so Spidey's strong enough to stop a friggin train but he can't knock out a fat overweight scientist...?"