How does the hood's gang compare to past super vilain groups?

[The Overlord]

How does the hood's gang compare to past super villain groups? How do compare with like past versions of the Masters of Evil, etc?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It's less powerful than classical incarnations of the Masters of Evil.

 

[PhotoJones]

Damn, this board gets cluttered.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Well, he has the U-Foes, and they've managed to drop the Hulk at least once, so i'd say his group is pretty powerful. He also has a couple of mind-controlling villains, which is something the Masters Of Evil always lacked...

 

[Roughneck]

The Hood's Crew seems to have unlimited Villains....I don't recall seeing the Wrecking crew in there at the initial meetings, and then there they were....so I guess I would say they are ever growing.

And in addition to fighting heroes they also go after villains that don't join them.....wait...I've read this before.....DC's Society.....

Anyway,......they likely aren't going to have any big Name villains in there.....I don't see Doom joining up any time soon.

 

[Sloth7d]

They're basically only a threat right now because of the Civil War Aftermath.

 

[The Question]

The Hood's Crew seems to have unlimited Villains....I don't recall seeing the Wrecking crew in there at the initial meetings, and then there they were....so I guess I would say they are ever growing.

And in addition to fighting heroes they also go after villains that don't join them.....wait...I've read this before.....DC's Society.....

Oh goody. I just love The Society.

Anyway,......they likely aren't going to have any big Name villains in there.....I don't see Doom joining up any time soon.

I don't see why he would. I mean, yeah, he's a villain, but he's not a criminal.

 

[Purple Man]

The Society was one of DCs best ideas for super villains. It fell by the wayside way too soon.

Can't wait to see where the Hood takes this. I want to see Daredevil, Punisher and both Avengers teams get involved.

I'd like to see Bullseye join up as well.

As much as everyone whines and whines...and whines some more, Bendis has made Marvel a much more exciting place than it has been in a long long loooong time.

 

[The Question]

The Society was one of DCs best ideas for super villains. It fell by the wayside way too soon.

I thought The Society was pretty poorly conceived. It's the most random collection of characters ever. So many of it's members have drastically different motivations, methods, and moral codes, that their working together doesn't make much sense.

 

[Purple Man]

Money and power. Isn't that motivation enough?

It's like how the Justice League would never hang out in their secret identities, but they have something in common by being heroes. They don't have to be cut from the same cloth to get together.

They were the baddest of the bad all picked by Luthor who used their superiority to muscle all the other villains to their side.

I can't wait to see Hood meet with Dr.Doom and pretty much give him the finger if he doesn't agree to help.

I'm expecting big things. Great things.

 

[The Question]

Money and power. Isn't that motivation enough?

Except, money and power aren't what motivated all of the members of The Society. Many of them have completely different goals, beliefs, and senses of right and wrong. Guys like The Rogues should normally find people like Doctor Psycho completely disgusting and want to kill him. The only thing that every member of The Society has in common is that they have fought super heroes at some point or another.

It's like how the Justice League would never hang out in their secret identities, but they have something in common by being heroes. They don't have to be cut from the same cloth to get together.

That's not the same thing. Black Manta and Captain Nazi, for example, believe in completely different things. Black Manta is an international drug lord and pirate who's whole schtick when recruiting is going to disenfranchized minority youths and giving them a chance to not live under the heel of rich white republicans. Captain Nazi is a sociopathic anti-semetic white supremacist. They should want to kill each other, not team up.

They were the baddest of the bad all picked by Luthor who used their superiority to muscle all the other villains to their side.

I can't wait to see Hood meet with Dr.Doom and pretty much give him the finger if he doesn't agree to help.

I'm expecting big things. Great things.

Why would The Hood expect Doom to help, or even aproach him with an offer? Doom is the leader of a country. I doubt any criminal organization would simply assume that he'd want to associate himself with them.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Doom would just say "Man, f*** off bit**. Doom does not have time for your meagar group of *****es."

 

[GNR]

For those who don't pick up the book,can anyone give a quick rundown of the villains involved?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Doom would just say "Man, f*** off bit**. Doom does not have time for your meagar group of *****es."

Doom wouldn't be that uncivilized.

He would, however, kill the Hood and all his cronies for daring to approach his royal person unbidden.

 

[Purple Man]

Why would Captain Nazi and Black Manta work together? Because Black Adam would rip your face off and Deathstroke would cut your bubble head off.

I like the prospect of controlling super villains through fear rather than the tired "Let's team up to feebly attack team X with plan Y and get our butts handed to us for the Z time."

Super villains should have to pay their dues if there is one top dog organizing it all.

And Doom and the Hood meeting isn't as farfetched as one might believe. Especially with Latveria being such an integral part of the Secret War. Hood could come looking for tech, money, or political asylum for himself or members of his crew. Hell Doom could be bankrolling the Hood. Let the Hood have New York while Doom makes his play for the world.

As much as a lot of people around here tend to believe, Bendis isn't some incompetent shmuck. Marvel wouldn't be at the levels its at if that were true. People just don't expect, understand, grasp, or whatever the way he thinks. Personally I like to get inside the writers head, and think like a writer when I read. I am rarely disappointed with the books I read and for thirty five issues New Avengers has been one of my favorite books month in and month out.

Though the collective was a bit of a disappointment, but I feel that editorial had a big part in Decimation and Bendis did a commendable job with House of M soooo...

 

[The Question]

Why would Captain Nazi and Black Manta work together? Because Black Adam would rip your face off and Deathstroke would cut your bubble head off.

I like the prospect of controlling super villains through fear rather than the tired "Let's team up to feebly attack team X with plan Y and get our butts handed to us for the Z time."

Super villains should have to pay their dues if there is one top dog organizing it all.

Forcing a group of people consisting of several people who, on any given day, would desperately want to kill each other, is a terrible idea. Especially if many of them are sociopaths, criminally insane, or just cold bastards. The Society is a ticking time bomb. Unless they have some sort of common goal, fear won't keep a group of people in line forever. They'll eventually rebel.

And Doom and the Hood meeting isn't as farfetched as one might believe. Especially with Latveria being such an integral part of the Secret War. Hood could come looking for tech, money, or political asylum for himself or members of his crew. Hell Doom could be bankrolling the Hood. Let the Hood have New York while Doom makes his play for the world.

As much as a lot of people around here tend to believe, Bendis isn't some incompetent shmuck. Marvel wouldn't be at the levels its at if that were true. People just don't expect, understand, grasp, or whatever the way he thinks. Personally I like to get inside the writers head, and think like a writer when I read. I am rarely disappointed with the books I read and for thirty five issues New Avengers has been one of my favorite books month in and month out.

Though the collective was a bit of a disappointment, but I feel that editorial had a big part in Decimation and Bendis did a commendable job with House of M soooo...

I don't have anything against Bendis here. I just don't like the idea of taking a random collection of supervillains, puting them together in a team, and hoping it sticks.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be pretty uncharacteristic for Doom to accept someone else's help, let alone request it. He's conquered two Earths on his own. He doesn't need any help.

 

[Purple Man]

I'm not trying to argue, but are you dense?

People don't have to get along to be controled by fear. I'm sure Luthor and the Hood have their ground rules. "Mess with any one of us, you deal with all of us." Typical gang mentality that would keep everyone in line. Say Captain Nazi doesn't like Black Manta, right? He's not going to do a damn thing about it because Manta is protected. Same for Manta being offended by Captain N. The gang keeps their members under control.

And it wouldn't be Doom asking for help. It'd be Doom recruiting a lackey, and the lackey thinking too much of himself, or Doom underestimating the lackey.

I swear. You guys just argue to argue. Something can make perfect sense, and there'd still be a bunch of people screaming about it on message boards and scratching their heads.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and I'm saying Doom doesn't generally recruit lackeys. He uses his Doombots or either captures someone and forces them to work for him or manipulates them so well they do what he wants them to without even knowing it.

Why do you even come here? I'm not being hostile or anything, I'm just curious. Clearly, everybody on these boards annoys you, so why keep coming back?

 

[The Question]

I'm not trying to argue, but are you dense?

Well that was rude.

People don't have to get along to be controled by fear. I'm sure Luthor and the Hood have their ground rules. "Mess with any one of us, you deal with all of us." Typical gang mentality that would keep everyone in line. Say Captain Nazi doesn't like Black Manta, right? He's not going to do a damn thing about it because Manta is protected. Same for Manta being offended by Captain N. The gang keeps their members under control.

That's not my point: You can't control an entire group of people by fear alone, especially if not every member wants to be a member, or has a desire to see several other members dead. You'll have crazies and *******s who don't give a **** and will do whatever they want. If there's no common goal or belief that they all share, then the organization will eventually fall apart and destroy itself.

 

[Purple Man]

I just love my comics and look for intelligent discussion instead of the constant bash fest I witness.

Doom has teamed up with plenty of people in the past. He used Purple Man for his mass mind control device. He's teamed with Magneto and Namor on various occassions. Using Doombots or whatever else he has at his disposal would send the worlds super heroes straight to his door.

Diverting funds to the Hood to ravage New York while giving humanitarian aid to other countries would make Doom look like a nice guy while he secretly destroys the United States using its super powered criminals.

I could see something like this happening, because Bendis excels at political and criminal drama and a story like that would have it in spaids without deviating from the characterization of Dr.Doom.

 

[The Overlord]

For those who don't pick up the book,can anyone give a quick rundown of the villains involved?

Okay:

Inner Circle:
The Hood (leader)
The Wizard
Dr. Jonas Harrow
Madam Masque
Crimson Cowl

Outer Circle
Blackout
Shockwave
Bushwacker
Slug
Centurius
The Answer
Chemistro
The Armadillo
Crossfire
The Blood Brothers
Cutthroat
The Brothers Grimm
Deathwatch
The Constrictor
Dr. Demonicus
The Controller
Foolkiller
The Corrupter
Graviton
The Crusader
Grey Gargoyle
The Griffin
Hydro Man
The Living Laser
Jigsaw
The U-Foes
Mandrill
The Wrecking Crew
Mentallo
Tiger Shark
Mister Fear
Typhoid Mary
Mister Hyde
Vermin
Purple Man
Rampage
Razor-Fist
Scarecrow

Forcing a group of people consisting of several people who, on any given day, would desperately want to kill each other, is a terrible idea. Especially if many of them are sociopaths, criminally insane, or just cold bastards. The Society is a ticking time bomb. Unless they have some sort of common goal, fear won't keep a group of people in line forever. They'll eventually rebel.



I don't have anything against Bendis here. I just don't like the idea of taking a random collection of supervillains, puting them together in a team, and hoping it sticks.

Too be fair the lineup of the hood's gang is a little more realistic then the Society.

Unlike the society, the hood's gang is made up solely of C-list street level criminals , A-list masterminds like Mandarin, Magneto, Red Skull or Doom were not invited to join. There are way fewer conflicting egos.

 

[Purple Man]

Money. That's what they all want. And why act out on some personal vendetta and not only get kicked off the money train, but get run over by it.

Living so close to Detroit you see this kind of crap. Maybe the Wrecker was banging the Living Lazers girlfriend. If LL gets caught murdering the Wrecker, the rest of the gang will come down on LL. Lazer would have to speak with the Hood first and have it okayed to get payback. If the Hood denies him payback, the Living Lazer can't do anything about it, and if he does, he sure as hell better make it look like it was someone else.

EDIT: Thanks for the list! I'm a pretty big Marvel Zombie, and I still had no clue who a lot of those people were.

 

[The Question]

Too be fair the lineup of the hood's gang is a little more realistic then the Society.

Unlike the society, the hood's gang is made up solely of C-list street level criminals , A-list masterminds like Mandarin, Magneto, Red Skull or Doom were not invited to join. There are way fewer conflicting egos.

Very true. The only one on that list that really bugs me is Foolkiller, as he's supposed to be a crazy ass vigilante.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I just love my comics and look for intelligent discussion instead of the constant bash fest I witness.

Doom has teamed up with plenty of people in the past. He used Purple Man for his mass mind control device. He's teamed with Magneto and Namor on various occassions. Using Doombots or whatever else he has at his disposal would send the worlds super heroes straight to his door.

Diverting funds to the Hood to ravage New York while giving humanitarian aid to other countries would make Doom look like a nice guy while he secretly destroys the United States using its super powered criminals.

I could see something like this happening, because Bendis excels at political and criminal drama and a story like that would have it in spaids without deviating from the characterization of Dr.Doom.

Doom strongarmed Purple Man and basically used him as a weapon. I wouldn't really call that "working together."

I do see what you're saying, though. Doom could use the Hood's people to take the heroes' eyes off him. I don't know how well that'd work, though, since the heroes literally always have their eyes on Doom. He's proven himself to be far too powerful and dangerous not to.