How Hard is it For a White Guy in a Suit to Get Arrested in NYC?

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http://www.theatlantic.com/national...-could-look-inside-the-justice-system/282360/

The article is a little too long to post here but it is definitely worth the read. In it a white, former prosecutor tries to get himself arrested for blatantly breaking the law in a stop and frisk hot zone in NYC. He eventually has to turn himself in for them to do anything about it and then documents what it is like to go through the justice system. If you have a few minutes you really should check this out.
 
A white guy wearing a suit who was trying to get arrested or charged something for spraying graffitti. Not a high profile target for anything truly criminal.

I read it all and the suit I think gave him some kind of extra immunity in addition to being white (although a black man in a suit probably would be given less **** than just a black man in street clothes). I doubt if he were in plainer clothes they'd be so eager to ignore him but the rest is absolutely telling of how badly discriminate the NYC justice system is.

He had to actively get himself arrested, tried and convicted for that. I can see his point but it also seems like the most petty of crimes to go out of your way for making the point.

Not that I think he should've tried to rob someone, speed, or drink and drive or anything but petty vandalism seems like a low bar to aim for.
 
It is the NYPD. If he tried do any of that they might have shot at him and hurt someone else.
 
Touche. Better he not do anything too criminal or they'd just shoot at him, maybe hit some civilians and then arrest him for their poor aim.
 
Man, sucks for you Hype members that live in NYC. Your tax money is being wasted on a piece of s*** police force.
 
I have never been to NY, but is it really that bad? I live in SoCal and cops out here can be bad, but it seems like NY takes the cake for bad police behavior.

Anyone with some unbiased feelings on this?
 
I have a close friend who's NYC cop and he's one of the best people I know. I'd be careful to group them all together.
 
This reminds me of the experiment with different people trying to rob a bicycle. The black dudes got called for it the most. The white dude was scolded but no one called the cops or anything. The scantily clad, hot, white chick? Actually got help from guys to break the bike out of the chain. :dry:
 
Yeah, that video pretty much showed that old white people are racist or at least that particular group of people walking in the park on that particular day.
 
Before people lump in NYC cops together, I just want to add this here:

Welcome to Mayberry, NYC.


Murder in New York has dropped to levels not seen since the 1950s, and is falling so fast the Big Apple could finish the year with the lowest homicide rate of any big city in the nation.


There have been 279 homicides in the city through Oct. 31, down 23 percent from the 364 logged in the same 10-month period last year. The city is on pace for about 100 fewer slayings this year than the 419 it recorded last year, which was the lowest figure since 1962 when police began keeping reliable records.


If the current average of less than one homicide a day holds, New York would see 334 killings by year’s end. Police officials believe homicides haven’t been that low since 1956 and 1957. The all-time high was 2,245 in 1990.


“These are historic levels,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said during a promotion ceremony last week.


The city still faces more crime than Sheriff Andy Taylor did in his fictional North Carolina town, where shenanigans by Goober or Barney Fife posed the biggest threat to public safety. But when it comes to murder, Gotham is close to becoming America’s safest city.


New York’s current rate of 2.9 murders per 100,000 people would have placed it fourth last year among the 74 US cities with populations of at least 250,000. Only Plano, Texas (with a 0.4 murder rate), Lincoln, Neb. (1.1), and Henderson, Nev. (1.4), were safer, according to 2012 FBI crime stats.


By contrast, the most murderous US cities were Detroit, with 54 murders per 100,000 people; New Orleans (53); St. Louis (35); Baltimore (34), and Newark (34). Chicago was at 18.5 and LA 7.8. New York City’s rate last year was 5.1.


Plano, a quiet wealthy, Dallas suburb, recorded just one murder in 2012 and three homicides so far this year. Mayor Harry LaRosiliere, an African-American of Haitian descent who grew up in Harlem and lived in New York during the crack epidemic of the 1990s, attributes Plano’s safety to a “high level of trust between the police department and the community.”


Murder, when it does happen, “is typically domestic violence,” he said.
In New York, few believed that a plummeting murder rate could be sustained. But it has been, and Mayor Bloomberg points to the success as vindication of the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk policy.


The tactic — which Kelly calls “basic to police work” — has become a lightning rod in the mayoral race. Federal Judge Shira Scheindlin ordered reforms, calling the policy akin to racial profiling, but last week, she was tossed off the case by an appeals court, which said she “ran afoul” of proper judicial conduct by yapping about the matter.
LaRosiliere recognized the need for stopping and frisking suspects, although as a young black man in Harlem he was detained numerous times, he said, including once when he was surrounded by detectives simply for running to his car because he was late.
More courtesy, he said, would help.


“After it’s done, there’s no sense of, ‘Sorry, we thought you were someone else,’ ” he said. “It’s more like, ‘OK. You can go.’ Almost like, ‘We didn’t catch you this time.’ ”
Also driving down murders, Kelly says, is the NYPD’s focus on trigger-happy youth gangs and domestic violence, along with hot-spot policing and an expanding use of electronic data to identify crime trends.


Last week, he revealed a start*ling stat: Murders of New York’s youngest victims — those between the ages of 13 and 21 — have dropped by 50 percent since the NYPD launched Operation Crew Cut, a program for disarming small neighborhood gangs.
“They are responsible for 30 percent of the shootings in the city,” Kelly said, pointing out that victims are often innocent bystanders.


“What’s happening in the city is a renaissance,” former Police Commissioner Howard Safir told The Post.
Tl;dr NYC is the safest Big City in the US with crime at an all-time low in the Big Apple.

Yeah, the police tends to do stupid things and dumb laws like stop-and-frisk tends to be passed, but NYC is a pretty safe city overall, so credit should be given where's it's due.
 
Yeah, the police tends to do stupid things and dumb laws like stop-and-frisk tends to be passed, but NYC is a pretty safe city overall, so credit should be given where's it's due.
Thank you. Sometimes people make it sound much worse than the reality. I often hear that about CA. People say things like you'll get shot on the street just for walking, and I know that's not true.
This reminds me of the experiment with different people trying to rob a bicycle. The black dudes got called for it the most. The white dude was scolded but no one called the cops or anything. The scantily clad, hot, white chick? Actually got help from guys to break the bike out of the chain. :dry:
I've seen that show. They took it even further by just having a few black guys sit in a car and pretend to be sleep in a white neighborhood. People called the cops on them just for sitting in the car and being sleep...lol

I have a lot of friends in law enforcement and the truth is racial profiling is very real. Black officers do it to black folk too.
 
Before people lump in NYC cops together, I just want to add this here:

Tl;dr NYC is the safest Big City in the US with crime at an all-time low in the Big Apple.

Yeah, the police tends to do stupid things and dumb laws like stop-and-frisk tends to be passed, but NYC is a pretty safe city overall, so credit should be given where's it's due.

Maybe the cops are so bored with the lack of crime, they just started arresting black people cuz they don't know what else to do?
 
Thank you. Sometimes people make it sound much worse than the reality. I often hear that about CA. People say things like you'll get shot on the street just for walking, and I know that's not true. I've seen that show. They took it even further by just having a few black guys sit in a car and pretend to be sleep in a white neighborhood. People called the cops on them just for sitting in the car and being sleep...lol

I have a lot of friends in law enforcement and the truth is racial profiling is very real. Black officers do it to black folk too.

I have family that work as correction guards and I would say they've gone beyond biased and stepped into racism. If I think a conversation is approaching anything racial I try to change the subject. They're these kind of people that think what they constantly see and statistics are "the truth" so it's very irksome, personally.
 
I generally do think that anybody that goes into any type of law enforcement/military role starts to slowly become much more biased than they were before. When you start seeing **** over and over I admit it probably does take its toll.
 
I have family that work as correction guards and I would say they've gone beyond biased and stepped into racism. If I think a conversation is approaching anything racial I try to change the subject. They're these kind of people that think what they constantly see and statistics are "the truth" so it's very irksome, personally.
There are racist cops. I know there are even if they don't admit to being racist. The thing is, though, racial profiling is...how cops work. That's the rub. We say they shouldn't profile, but it's when profiling goes wrong that we hear about it. Profiling...usually goes right, and then people go to jail.
I generally do think that anybody that goes into any type of law enforcement/military role starts to slowly become much more biased than they were before. When you start seeing **** over and over I admit it probably does take its toll.
It does and those experiences are what can save people's life. I try to give cops the benefit of the doubt having had some experience with this while I was in the military.
 
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The reality is Rock, this is how cops work...and generally the "profiling" is not off the mark. This is also not something that is exclusive to minorities either. Yes, it happens more frequently to minorities, but profiling is sort of how cops make judgments about people, situations and circumstances, and it's based off of years of experience in most cases. Again, I'm not saying it is right, and I'm not saying there aren't cops out there who specifically target minorities even if they have no reason to...but "profiling" is really how cops work. They won't tell you this of course, but this is how these things work. It's just a fact of life.
 
A white guy wearing a suit who was trying to get arrested or charged something for spraying graffitti. Not a high profile target for anything truly criminal.

I read it all and the suit I think gave him some kind of extra immunity in addition to being white (although a black man in a suit probably would be given less **** than just a black man in street clothes). I doubt if he were in plainer clothes they'd be so eager to ignore him but the rest is absolutely telling of how badly discriminate the NYC justice system is.

He had to actively get himself arrested, tried and convicted for that. I can see his point but it also seems like the most petty of crimes to go out of your way for making the point.

Not that I think he should've tried to rob someone, speed, or drink and drive or anything but petty vandalism seems like a low bar to aim for.

Yet a group of black kids get arrested for waiting at a bus stop.
 
I have never been to NY, but is it really that bad? I live in SoCal and cops out here can be bad, but it seems like NY takes the cake for bad police behavior.

Anyone with some unbiased feelings on this?

Yeah it's weird because I've always had the notion that the LAPD is pretty bad and the NY Police is more respected. Looks like I'm wrong.
 
Yeah it's weird because I've always had the notion that the LAPD is pretty bad and the NY Police is more respected. Looks like I'm wrong.
That's what I've always thought too. The Shield is based on Ramparts, which was as corrupt as you could have gotten. There were actual gangs within the police department. Crazy stuff...
 
Yet a group of black kids get arrested for waiting at a bus stop.
Supposedly they were arrested for loitering and incidentally being black but I believe that was somewhere in New York so being black wouldn't have helped.

And who the hell arrests people for loitering? Squatting, yes, loitering? :doh:
 
Supposedly they were arrested for loitering and incidentally being black but I believe that was somewhere in New York so being black wouldn't have helped.

And who the hell arrests people for loitering? Squatting, yes, loitering? :doh:

Three kinds of people really:
1. Jerks
2. Racist cops who need a reason to be racist without putting their job at risk.
3. Quota Fillers
 
And the occasional trifecta: the jerk racist cop looking to fill his quota. I suspect this is NYC's preferred type of cop going by the way we keep seeing them reported in the news.
 

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