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Discussion in 'The Dark Knight Rises' started by Shpati, Jan 2, 2013.
How Long Was Bruce Wayne Actually Batman in this Trilogy?
6 to 8 months?
I read here in the hype that according to this recently released book (the dark knight handbook?? guidebook?? whatever...), the "batman parts" in BB, happen during a time span of 3 years, from the moment he returns to Gotham (2003) to the moment he beats Ra's (2005); then, it's another 3 years till the events of TDK; we can know that due to the year 2008 being stablished many times during the movie (if you pay close enough attention) and also, Gordon's kids age, compared to baby Barbara we saw in BB; that alone gives you 6/7 years of good ole batmaning; which, to be honest, in a "real world" scenario, no person, no matter if your the fittest guy on the face of the earth, could withstand for more than a year.
This is just what I gathered, if anyone proves me wrong, cool; but this timeline works for me.
As far as the films illustrate it could be about 6-18 months.
Extraneous materials extend this time, some to 3 year and I believe some to 5.
I think the movies make it seem like TDK is 6 months or so after BB but it could be a few years. The books say 1 to 2 years between Bruce's return to Gotham and the death of Ra's. Then 3 years of a gap between BB/TDK.
Just because Joker says "a year ago these cops & lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you". You can take that however you please. Batman could have REALLY started crippling the mob just a year prior to Dark Knight. Batman could have looked into the Joker card and found nothing on him, then Joker only made appearances once in a blue moon.
It also seems like Rachel and Dent have been dating for more than just a few months. The whole "spending the rest of our lives together, etc". Bruce also says to Rachel "you once told me that we'd be together.." That line always sounds like Bruce is remembering something from a long while ago. If she said that to him a few months ago why would he word it in that way? Remember...the end of Begins seems like it could be April (spring time) and the start of TDK seems like August. That's like 4 months. It just feels a lot longer to me. Even down to Bruce's physical appearance and how much thinner and drained he is.
This could certainly give more weight to TDKR and that 8 year gap. It could also mean that other stories can come into play to fill in the blanks (via graphic novel perhaps). More mob bosses, etc between the events of Begins and Dark Knight. Or Arkham psychopaths.
It shouldn't have taken Wayne that long to rebuild Wayne Manor, or Batman and The Joker to finally come after each other.
Dialog, character arcs, and the seasonal environments make it clear that the Gotham part of "Batman Begins" lasted a month or so, and that "The Dark Knight" takes place about a year and a half after the start of Wayne's time in Gotham.
It's debatable how long Wayne acted as Batman after the climax of "The Dark Knight." Blake states there have been "no confirmed sightings" of the Batman since Dent died.
However, this just means he stopped interacting with the police entirely at that point, and that he made an effort not to be sighted by them (and not get caught on surveillance, I assume).
I personally find it hard to believe that he stopped entirely, right then and there - he probaby tapered down, continuing to help dismantle the mob until Gordon's work could be completed or set up in a self-sustaining manner, including the establishment of the Dent Act (which obviously wouldn't have happened overnight). Plus, there's got to be a reason why Wayne continued to build and finish the Batcave, which wasn't completed by the climax of "The Dark Knight" but was evidently quite functional later on.
9-12 months between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight
3 nights and 1 day in The Dark Knight Rises
Also, imo, I believe Batman was around for a little while after TDK's events until the Dent Act was created, but that's just me. The first two things I mentioned, though, it's mostly likely fact.
Exactly. I don't see Joker being a theatrical bank robber for three whole years before finally making his big move.
Building a Mansion like that in this day in age with those types of materials and the intention of making it almost identical to the previous one would take years........
This isn't just some suburban house
Also, we don't know how much progress was done at Wayne Manor during TDK. Might've been a couple months away from being finished.
Why are we talking about the time it takes to build the mansion? We don't see the mansion again for nine years, so how can this help on what's time been passed or what have you?
This is my only major gripe with the trilogy. He was Batman for too short of time. Even if you want to believe BB takes place over three years because it says in some book, there is nothing in the film to suggest it takes this long. The same thing with gap between BB and TDK. Even if you see a "2008" somewhere it does not feel like 3 years after BB. For me, I would have loved to have seen a fourth film that fleshed out the world created by Bats and the escalation of crime created by the Joker. Basically, I wanted a bigger rogues gallery. But that's not necessarily a good reason to tell a story, it's just the fanboy in me. The trilogy is meant to be beginning, middle and end. Unfortunately, the middle period seems a bit too brief and the ending comes a bit early for me personally. Love the trilogy overall though.
I tried to make a timeline according to the events on the films and viral campaigns some time ago on another thread. This is what I came up:
Now now, we all know that Bruce Wayne doesn't need to be wearing the mask or fighting crime to be considered "Batman". So he may well have been "Batman" for around 10 years, similar to the comics lore.
I agree with every word
the entire time.
jokes aside, I'd guesstimate about 3 years.
i watched tdk again yesterday and i was thinking about the same thing. between bb and tdk, 2 years? then he went into hiding till tdk, and was bats again for a couple of months, was it?
Agreed. With Wayne's wealth and influence, surely he could afford a construction crew that could get it rebuilt in at least a year and a half. I loved Batman Begins but with all of the inconsistencies with the later movies it's hard for me to like them as much. Especially TDKR.
Yeah that's about it. And that's one of my biggest problems with how Nolan ended his trilogy. I just can't be an advocate of something like that for my alltime fave fictional character.
Although, when looking at the basis of this trilogy, it can be viewed as being long enough. The whole point of Batman Begins was how guys like Carmine Falcone was corrupting the people in Gotham City to a point where guys like Joe Chill are "made" and start mugging and killing for money, jewelry, etc. and in this is Batman's crusade of cleaning up Gotham City and taking out that kind of disease that makes others get to that "killing point" that Chill came to and Batman finally did this, albeit with a lie that did clean up Gotham's organized crime situation. And also, Batman had to deal with the League of Shadows which he finally and fully accomplished in TDKR.
Which is why it is long enough for you. I'm still left disappointed by The Dark Knight Rises. I don't think organised crime should have disappeared near enough overnight and I don't think the League of Shadows needed to return, the organisation was already finished with in Batman Begins.
It essentially disappeared throughout the events of TDK, though. Dent did get most of the criminals off the streets for a year and a half and the top guys died one by one in the film as well. Enough time to have created the Dent Act, put it into action and send any other mobsters to prison. And while I agree that the LoS could have definitely ended in BB, there is a daughter that Ra's had in the comics which could have made her way into Nolan's universe and she did.
Some important info from TDKR (though it doesn't help give a definite answer to the question posed in the topic):
Alfred says that Bruce hadn't been down in the cave in a long time, but he apparently had been down in the improved batcave. He may have been there just to test out the new utilities, to use the bat-computer (such as how he was researching Selina), or was using it to actually fight crime as Batman, but that's all up to speculation.
The vision of Ra's al Ghul (speaking from Bruce's own knowledge, obviously), stated:
"You, yourself fought the decadence of Gotham for years with all your strength, all your resources, all your moral authority and the only victory you could achieve was a lie."
However, he could have been including actions taken solely by Bruce Wayne such as before the events of TDKR, when Wayne Enterprises still had the resources to do things like help the orphanage.