How much Longer is Fox's hold on FF/Xmen/Others

[NickNitro]

I have been reading on these threads for the past couple of months and found out the morning the news that Disney was to buy Marvel on this site. I find your sources very reliable and accurate which is why I am making this thread.

I do not know if I overlooked this in other threads or the truth is unknown to us fans.

I was wondering if there is any official news to when Fox's contract with the famous Marvel characters is ending. I feel as do many others that if Marvel/Disney can get back Xmen FF Daredevil and others they will do the characters as well as their fans a great deal of satisfaction and relief that for one we dont have to keep watching Fox beat the dead dog of the Xmen and Wolverine character they made, and the epic failure that I know will be the "reboots" they want to create.

I hope I can get some solid facts through this thread, thanks all!

 

[Webhead2006]

i dont know for sure myself, but i think if certain characters like ff/dd dont have films out by like 2012 fox would lose the rights on them. As much as we fans would love to see marvel get the xmen rights back its likely not going to happen cause they will likely still pull out more wolverine films, or other spinoffs/prequels with xmen to keep the rights going for who knows what. But i could see FF/DD possibly going back to marvel sooner then xmen.

 

[NickNitro]

Cool thanks a lot webhead I appreciate it. Yea it sucks for us Xmen fans to hear that even though it is most likely the truth its just hard to read lol.

 

[TheVileOne]

They aren't letting go of X-men. They just released Wolverine and they are developing some new X-men stuff in some way.

Fox will do whatever it takes to keep all their properties under their umbrella even if they don't want to make anything out of them.

 

[Nathan]

And when they are just about to lose them, they'll throw out some quick trash movie like they did with Dragonball: Evolution.

 

[TheVileOne]

Pretty much.

I guarantee all this reboot talk for FF and Daredevil is just talk so they can hold onto the properties in their death grip longer.

They "say" they will reboot them to keep it under their banner.

 

[Figs]

Pretty much.

I guarantee all this reboot talk for FF and Daredevil is just talk so they can hold onto the properties in their death grip longer.

They "say" they will reboot them to keep it under their banner.

To be honest though, saying something and actually doing something are entirely different things.

Just because they "say" they are rebooting them doesn't mean it will extend the rights. If they don't actually reboot them before the contracts expire, they will lose the rights.

They don't get to keep the rights simply because they are making statements about making new movies. They need to actually start production or a script.

 

[TheVileOne]

To be honest though, saying something and actually doing something are entirely different things.

Just because they "say" they are rebooting them doesn't mean it will extend the rights. If they don't actually reboot them before the contracts expire, they will lose the rights.

They are acting like they are developing new movies when there really isn't anything happening. They are simply doing whatever they can to prolong the contracts.

Also, there haven't been any reported expiration dates for the properties. EW says, IN PERPETUITY.

They don't get to keep the rights simply because they are making statements about making new movies. They need to actually start production or a script.

Is that written down? Development is technically early pre-production. So they could for example commission a script for cheap without actually producing it.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think they do have to release a movie to retain rights, just like that Corman version of Fantastic Four.

They have to have a movie in production within a given timeframe or the rights lapse. The 2012 date was reported as the date for expiration of the X-Men, i think, if they hadn't released Wolverine.

I think they will do what they can to retain the rights, for sure. Hollywood is a business at the end of the day.

 

[Silvermoth]

Fox just rereleased the X-men DVDs in new packaging so it's obvious the first three movies are still making heaps of money. They won't want to let go of the X-men franchise

which is a terrible shame. They'd rather let alot of franchises go down with the ship rather than make something worthwhile.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Till the end of time. Which ironcley I hear is supposed to be 2012XD

 

[X-Maniac]

Fox just rereleased the X-men DVDs in new packaging so it's obvious the first three movies are still making heaps of money. They won't want to let go of the X-men franchise

which is a terrible shame. They'd rather let alot of franchises go down with the ship rather than make something worthwhile.

They're not trying to let anything go down with the ship. No business tries to ruin itself.

The franchise has attracted top names like Singer, Gavin Hood, Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart. Chris Claremont was even on set for X3 and wrote the novelisation.

Half the problem is that as soon as you adapt so many decades of material into a 90min-2hr film, then a lot has to be condensed, changed or omitted. Which means upsetting hardcore fans. It's more important to see if the changes work within the film, not whether they copy the comic exactly.

Even The Dark Knight isn't perfect if we strip away the hype and hysteria.
Let's face it, The Dark Knight may be 'acclaimed' but the Joker was not really the same as in the comics (where he's far more freakish and frightening) and neither was Two-Face, who was created and killed off in one film. Yet somehow all that is forgiven.

 

[TheVileOne]

Gavin Hood is not a top name.

 

[TheVileOne]

They're not trying to let anything go down with the ship. No business tries to ruin itself.

The franchise has attracted top names like Singer, Gavin Hood, Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart. Chris Claremont was even on set for X3 and wrote the novelisation.

Gavin Hood is not a top name. What's your point on Claremont? Claremont apparently also advised on the first X-men. Again, what's your point?

Half the problem is that as soon as you adapt so many decades of material into a 90min-2hr film, then a lot has to be condensed, changed or omitted. Which means upsetting hardcore fans. It's more important to see if the changes work within the film, not whether they copy the comic exactly.

No movie has ever really copied the comic exactly. Look at Watchmen.

Even The Dark Knight isn't perfect if we strip away the hype and hysteria.
Let's face it, The Dark Knight may be 'acclaimed' but the Joker was not really the same as in the comics (where he's far more freakish and frightening) and neither was Two-Face, who was created and killed off in one film. Yet somehow all that is forgiven.

Joker has been freakish and that frightening before in the comics. Read Arkham Asylum sometime. Read The Killing Joke.

Two-Face was different. So was Doc Ock. But they did effective work with the changes so the fans could look past them. But there were many aspects of those characters the still got right and did well.

 

[deathshead2]

Gavin Hood is an oscar winning director, thats where hes getting the top name from...even though I heard that oscar winning movie, and his feature after his oscar were horrible.

 

[TheVileOne]

Cuba Gooding Jr. won an Oscar as well.

Lexi Alexander was nominated for one too.

He won it for a short film and then made two POS movies. Rendition bombed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I have been reading on these threads for the past couple of months and found out the morning the news that Disney was to buy Marvel on this site. I find your sources very reliable and accurate which is why I am making this thread.

I do not know if I overlooked this in other threads or the truth is unknown to us fans.

I was wondering if there is any official news to when Fox's contract with the famous Marvel characters is ending. I feel as do many others that if Marvel/Disney can get back Xmen FF Daredevil and others they will do the characters as well as their fans a great deal of satisfaction and relief that for one we dont have to keep watching Fox beat the dead dog of the Xmen and Wolverine character they made, and the epic failure that I know will be the "reboots" they want to create.

I hope I can get some solid facts through this thread, thanks all!

Unlike Sony which had to renew the Spider-Man film rights to make Spider-Man 4, 5, and 6, Marvel set up their agreements with 20th Century Fox so that as long as they keep making movies based on the properties they have the film rights to, the film rights stay with Fox.

The X-Men franchise isn't going to leave Fox anytime soon on account that Wolverine 2 is obviously going to happen along with X-Men 4, Deadpool, and other X-Men side projects looking very likely.

Fox confirmed in an incredibly *****ey manner that they're rebooting Fantastic Four (like a day after the Disney takeover of Marvel was announced) and have Akiva Goldsman (Batman & Robin) on board as a producer and screen writers. However, if things don't get moving, they can still lose the rights after a certain period of time.

They also announced a Daredevil reboot last year but well nothing's happening and the rights are due to expire anytime soon on account that it's been almost 5 years since Elektra. Unless Fox decides to continue being the bane of the Internet Geek Community and just suddenly announce a film to keep the rights.

 

[X-Maniac]

Gavin Hood is not a top name.

Well, not a household name. I meant he had won an Oscar. David Benioff is a decent writer too, going on his credits.

I mean, they are not exactly hiring talentless hacks all the time.

 

[X-Maniac]

Gavin Hood is not a top name. What's your point on Claremont? Claremont apparently also advised on the first X-men. Again, what's your point?

Well, Claremont was responsible for relaunching the X-Men in 1975, with a new team including many of the popular characters like Storm, Nightcrawler, Wolverine. To all intents and purposes, he is the man at the heart of the X-Men comics.

He was on set, he wrote the novelisations. If Mr X-Men himself was involved in, and advised on, or approved, many of the changes/interpretations, it does show that the films cannot be as bad as people say.

Similarly, Len Wein is okay with the movie Wolverine.

So, despite the fanboy frothing, these characters cannot really be 'raped' as much as the basement-dwellers say if the creators themselves are okay with the changes.

Joker has been freakish and that frightening before in the comics. Read Arkham Asylum sometime. Read The Killing Joke.

Two-Face was different. So was Doc Ock. But they did effective work with the changes so the fans could look past them. But there were many aspects of those characters the still got right and did well.

I think we're at cross-purposes. I meant that the Joker was more freakish/terrifying in the comics than in the film. Even the look of him in the comics is the stuff of nightmares. The film changed that a lot.

 

[X-Maniac]

Unlike Sony which had to renew the Spider-Man film rights to make Spider-Man 4, 5, and 6, Marvel set up their agreements with 20th Century Fox so that as long as they keep making movies based on the properties they have the film rights to, the film rights stay with Fox.

The X-Men franchise isn't going to leave Fox anytime soon on account that Wolverine 2 is obviously going to happen along with X-Men 4, Deadpool, and other X-Men side projects looking very likely.

Fox confirmed in an incredibly *****ey manner that they're rebooting Fantastic Four (like a day after the Disney takeover of Marvel was announced) and have Akiva Goldsman (Batman & Robin) on board as a producer and screen writers. However, if things don't get moving, they can still lose the rights after a certain period of time.

They also announced a Daredevil reboot last year but well nothing's happening and the rights are due to expire anytime soon on account that it's been almost 5 years since Elektra. Unless Fox decides to continue being the bane of the Internet Geek Community and just suddenly announce a film to keep the rights.

That's more or less the case but X-Men 4 is only an idea at this stage. From the most recent interview, it looks like Wolverine 2, Deadpool and First Class are the ones they are focusing on.

Fox released Daredevil on Blu-ray this year and that was probably to test demand for the franchise. A lot of films do depend on Blu-ray/DVD performance too - Punisher only got a second film after DVD sales of the first one did well, because the first one did not do well at the box office.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think we should give Fox the full five years, as was originally reported, before speculating on all these so called extra clauses and loopholes that MIGHT be in their contract. Meaning, Electra was 2005. Lets give them all through 2010 to give them an opportunity to get DD in ACTIVE development before saying the rights belong with Fox indefinitely. Same with FF. Lets give them all through 2012 before saying the same thing. If those project are still in limbo beyond those dates and there is no word on a turnover back to Disney/Marvel then it's safe to say Fox either re-negotiated or lucked out on a completely one-sided deal whenever they acquired those properties.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Fox released Daredevil on Blu-ray this year and that was probably to test demand for the franchise. A lot of films do depend on Blu-ray/DVD performance too - Punisher only got a second film after DVD sales of the first one did well, because the first one did not do well at the box office.

I thought that Punisher: War Zone was made simply because Punisher 2 wasn't going to happen and Lion's Gate wanted to keep the rights the way Constantin Film wanted to keep the rights to Fantastic Four.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think we should give Fox the full five years, as was originally reported, before speculating on all these so called extra clauses and loopholes that MIGHT be in their contract. Meaning, Electra was 2005. Lets give them all through 2010 to give them an opportunity to get DD in ACTIVE development before saying the rights belong with Fox indefinitely. Same with FF. Lets give them all through 2012 before saying the same thing. If those project are still in limbo beyond those dates and there is no word on a turnover back to Disney/Marvel then it's safe to say Fox either re-negotiated or lucked out on a completely one-sided deal whenever they acquired those properties.

Except Fox does have the rights to Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and X-Men as long as they keep on making films based on those licenses. Fox has come out and said that their film rights are perpetual.

If there isn't an X-Men film in actual active development by 2012, the rights revert to Disney. However based on the fact that they are looking at Deadpool, X-Men 4, Wolverine 2, X-Men Origins: Magneto, New Mutants, and X-Men: First Class, that is very unlikely. We just have to wait and see about Daredevil and Fantastic Four if they actually decide to make a film about those properties, just let them expire, or do what New Line and Universal did with Iron Man and Hulk and just give them back.

Also Disney has said that it's very unlikely that they will renegotiate the films rights to the Marvel characters that other studios have if they expire. They want X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four to themselves.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I wasn't arguing that... I am simply saying let's give Fox the full five years to make the movies before saying Disney/Marvel will never get the rights back.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I wasn't arguing that... I am simply saying let's give Fox the full five years to make the movies before saying Disney/Marvel will never get the rights back.

It's certainly possible for Disney to obtain the rights to Daredevil and the Fantastic Four. But at the current rate, the only way they're going to get the rights to the X-Men characters is if the upcoming X-Men projects consistently bomb.