World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

[JMA610]

Wow. Thats amazing! It is almost a perfect recreation of Peters fluid! I was researching the oxygen-crosslinking polyurethane, or OCP, and I came across this website: http://www.crescenthardwood.com/pl/bona/mega.pdf

Is this the one that you were talking about? If not, is there a website that I can buy it from?

 

[White_widow]

yup, that's the one!

 

[Spectacular23]

I got a solution to a square size cartridges that can be use but i need a little bit of help. Now didn't peter one time changed his web fluid cartridges and web shooters to plastic to avoid them from being detected at a airport? WEll depending on how hard the plastic is, can it hold alot of pressure? Like maybe 300psi or higher? If so i have your solution right here: http://www.rose-plastic.com/index.2900.1.html boom. They come in various colors too green black blue, red. rtc. IS it possible for these type of plastic to be able to hold a high amount of pressure without buckling or cracking, or.... exploding?

 

[White_widow]

I don't think that this would work without heating the plastic, but that will weaken the box, but it's a great start! I don't know how I'd make this without a torch, but I found the perfect material, thanks to your comment about the black cartridges. Carbon composite.

 

[Spectacular23]

Carbon composite?

 

[White_widow]

Used in making blades, carbon composite is one of the strongest comercial materials available.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=4JyPTc_sL9Satwedl6CICQ&ved=0CH8Q8wIwAA#

 

[Spectacular23]

Used in making blades, carbon composite is one of the strongest comercial materials ever.

Wow that's good i gotta do some research on that. But in the meantime if you guys do get the web fluid concoction whipped up, then what shooter design can we used? Because if you ask me i understand, that the square design seem more plausible because of what we see in the comics and tv shows. But just finding it and making the cartridges is too much. I've been watching spidey TAS for a very long time and despite of what i see now i love the web shooter design they had in that show. The web fluid cartridges were like test tube shape cartridges. Easy to fill up and load right into the shooter. I think you know what i'm talking about white widow, the picture you posted a while back. I like this design but if a spider-man person were to use this design and the concoction of web fluid. Do you really want in to be hideable? Disappear under a skin-tight costume? Well lest be realistic, it's gonna bulge big time. I feel ben riley route of outside the costume makes a bit more sense. But i like the idea of carbon composite sounds cool. Also i if it possible will we actually be able to instal the carousel feature on a shooter? If not IMO i would be fine with just reloading them... One cartridge at a time

But the round cartridges can probably hold a few ounces more web fluid than a square cartridge. Have more room to pressurize the cartridges so it might be able to hold much more web fluid. I'm talking maybe the size of a small glue stick, maybe slightly larger.

White widow i see the link, so you are considering going with the tube design, it really does make more "realistic" sense.

 

[White_widow]

the square design seem more plausible Do you really want in to be hideable? Disappear under a skin-tight costume? Well lest be realistic, it's gonna bulge big time. I feel ben riley route of outside the costume makes a bit more sense.
White widow i see the link, so you are considering going with the tube design, it really does make more "realistic" sense.

Keeping in mind that the comic books have the inevitable "belief suspension", realism is not the key. There is a material that the web fluid is missing that Parker could have made, but I can't as easily (I still can but it would take too long). This would allow super-compression possible through high foaming liquid while still allowing high tensile value. The square design isn't really plausible through physics. From the inside, the fluid would push out equally. In every aerosol can you have, the bottom is shaped to prevent failure if it occurs. I agree with the ben Reilly thing however if you look like three pages back on this forum, it shows spidey's shooters bulging. I am considering the tube design because it is much stronger, not to mention that it is much easier to solder co2 cartridge pieces than make a rectangular pressure vessel. I don't mean to bag on this but when talking about so much fluid in so little space, I have to say that realism isn't really that important.

 

[Spectacular23]

Keeping in mind that the comic books have the inevitable "belief suspension", realism is not the key. There is a material that the web fluid is missing that Parker could have made, but I can't as easily (I still can but it would take too long). This would allow super-compression possible through high foaming liquid while still allowing high tensile value. The square design isn't really plausible through physics. From the inside, the fluid would push out equally. In every aerosol can you have, the bottom is shaped to prevent failure if it occurs. I agree with the ben Reilly thing however if you look like three pages back on this forum, it shows spidey's shooters bulging. I am considering the tube design because it is much stronger, not to mention that it is much easier to solder co2 cartridge pieces than make a rectangular pressure vessel. I don't mean to bag on this but when talking about so much fluid in so little space, I have to say that realism isn't really that important.

True and i see your point. I understand what you mean though and i saw the picture. I like the fact that you are considering the tube design because it is much more easier and less complicated than the rectangular pressure vessel. Realism isn't important but is it possible in even the slightest way? Even if not we also have to realized that the real reaction happens when the web fluid hit the air, so it only take a small amount of web fluid to make sufficient webbing.

 

[White_widow]

http://firematic.com/fireshop/store.cgi?p_id=ANS420008&xm=on

 

[Spectacular23]

http://firematic.com/fireshop/store.cgi?p_id=ANS420008&xm=on

Help me, i read the description i understand that it expands a lot due to ratios, but um how is this web fluid/cartridge related???

 

[White_widow]

That is high expansion foam. This will take a surfactant, several solvents, and a polymer, and it will expand to 1000 times it's original form. This means that if you have 1 cubed inch of web fluid, it will give you one thousand. If you give it 10 cubed inches of material it will give you 10,000 cubed inches of material. You make a highly elastic material with a tensile stregth greater than steel, and this will stretch the material making it stronger. It will also have resistance to flammability. It is the secret to the military sticky foam. I read the patents. They used a foam like that, and added a few other materials to make much more fluid from just a small amount.

 

[Spectacular23]

That is high expansion foam. This will take a surfactant, several solvents, and a polymer, and it will expand to 1000 times it's original form. This means that if you have 1 cubed inch of web fluid, it will give you one thousand. If you give it 10 cubed inches of material it will give you 10,000 cubed inches of material. You make a highly elastic material with a tensile stregth greater than steel, and this will stretch the material making it stronger. It will also have resistance to flammability. It is the secret to the military sticky foam. I read the patents. They used a foam like that, and added a few other materials to make much more fluid from just a small amount.

Wow This is a really really great find. Like seriously, is this the ingredient that you said peter was missing?

 

[White_widow]

Thanks. As for the ingredient, DEFINATELY not. The ingredient I'm thinking of is much more important to the structural integrity of the formula. Theoretically, it would actually make the formula stronger than Webbing. This isn't a joke or a lie. I've read several news reports that claimed that a polymer supported by this would need thousands of pounds focused on a single point in a piece, no thicker then plastic wrap to break. They are all college reports too. I know they are for real.

 

[Spectacular23]

Thanks. As for the ingredient, DEFINATELY not. The ingredient I'm thinking of is much more important to the structural integrity of the formula. Theoretically, it would actually make the formula stronger than Webbing.

t: No problem and making it stronger than webbing... is that necessarily a bad thing? In our case that sounds good. It seem like in fact that in this world we (and by we i mean you and the other guy i just tried to help lol) actually did....better than peter parker in the marvel universe.

 

[White_widow]

Not exactly. I can't make this material as fast as peter can. He would HAVE to make a machine to make it as fast as he can. The reason is because the substance can't be distinguished from the material it is made from without a powerful microscope. He would have to use a machine that acted like a cheese cutter before dipping the material in an easy to obtain solution. It would have to act fast. Thank you though. I appreciate that.

 

[Spectacular23]

Not exactly. I can't make this material as fast as peter can. He would HAVE to make a machine to make it as fast as he can. The reason is because the substance can't be distinguished from the material it is made from without a powerful microscope. He would have to use a machine that acted like a cheese cutter before dipping the material in an easy to obtain solution. It would have to act fast. Thank you though. I appreciate that.

Ohh jeeze well is there a specific chemical use to cause the reaction of the expansion foam? By reaction i mean the actual expanding? Maybe if you can whip that with the web fluid without actually have to worry about reacting unless exposed to air once channeled through the web shooter?

 

[White_widow]

That's actually the best part. It's activated by pressure passing through a turbine.

 

[Spectacular23]

That's actually the best part. It's activated by pressure passing through a turbine.

WEll that's great awesome news! But what the problem with mixing these two substance together to get the web fluid? You said peter would have has to use a machine, what do you mean by this? Why?

 

[JMA610]

Man! I got all exited until I saw the price of the expansion fluid. But it would be SO worth it if we used it. That would mean that we could get 6000-8000 ounces of fluid from a flask that is 6-8 ounces. Great find! This pretty much wrapd up the fluid problem. Now its just a matter of the shooters, and finding a way to make 98+ dollars. Quickly. But I am trying to work out the turbine problem for shooting the fluid. Is that the only way it can be activated?

 

[Spectacular23]

Man! I got all exited until I saw the price of the expansion fluid. But it would be SO worth it if we used it. That would mean that we could get 6000-8000 ounces of fluid from a flask that is 6-8 ounces. Great find! This pretty much wrapd up the fluid problem. Now its just a matter of the shooters, and finding a way to make 98+ dollars. Quickly. But I am trying to work out the turbine problem for shooting the fluid. Is that the only way it can be activated?

From what he said yes.

 

[White_widow]

WEll that's great awesome news! But what the problem with mixing these two substance together to get the web fluid? You said peter would have has to use a machine, what do you mean by this? Why?


Man! I got all exited until I saw the price of the expansion fluid. But it would be SO worth it if we used it. That would mean that we could get 6000-8000 ounces of fluid from a flask that is 6-8 ounces. Great find! This pretty much wrapd up the fluid problem. Now its just a matter of the shooters, and finding a way to make 98+ dollars. Quickly. But I am trying to work out the turbine problem for shooting the fluid. Is that the only way it can be activated?

First, the strong material I was describing needs to be linked into a formula. It is too inflexible otherewise. Second, the foam isn't strong, it just expands. The reason Peter would need a machine is because the strong substance is expensive when bought, but INCREDIBLY cheap when made. It would take literally five dollars to make a few ounces. It is very time consuming though. he would need to set up a machine to do it fast enough.

As for the high expansion fluid, I'm pretty sure it could be made for cheaper. I need to find a patent to look at the chemistry. The turbine isn't the only way to do this. Does everyone know how foam works?

A substance known as a surfactant is half polar. It will link one end to a polar substance like water, and the other end to something nonpolar, like oil. When any pressure whatsoever comes into the mix, it messes up the order and causes the gaps the surfactant creates to be filled with the agitational substance. In our case, the surfactant is longer and can be filled with ALOT of the pressure. I need to look at the formula, but it just takes pressure to cause expansion. A Co2 cartridge will provide the neccessary pressure as long as the nozzle is focused. The turbine will just help with the agitation.

 

[Spectacular23]

First, the strong material I was describing needs to be linked into a formula. It is too inflexible otherewise. Second, the foam isn't strong, it just expands. The reason Peter would need a machine is because the strong substance is expensive when bought, but INCREDIBLY cheap when made. It would take literally five dollars to make a few ounces. It is very time consuming though. he would need to set up a machine to do it fast enough.

As for the high expansion fluid, I'm pretty sure it could be made for cheaper. I need to find a patent to look at the chemistry. The turbine isn't the only way to do this. Does everyone know how foam works?

A substance known as a surfactant is half polar. It will link one end to a polar substance like water, and the other end to something nonpolar, like oil. When any pressure whatsoever comes into the mix, it messes up the order and causes the gaps the surfactant creates to be filled with the agitational substance. In our case, the surfactant is longer and can be filled with ALOT of the pressure. I need to look at the formula, but it just takes pressure to cause expansion. A Co2 cartridge will provide the neccessary pressure as long as the nozzle is focused. The turbine will just help with the agitation.

Ah i see now. Sounds about right. Yea you definitely have to take a look at that formula. Will help solve a lot of problems so far.

 

[JMA610]

Great stuff. I think I might HAVE to go with CO2 anyway, as I see no other SIMPLE way to build up enough pressure for the expansion. I'll see if I can find a way to have CO2 in the flask, or at least have it on the flask. Keep it up!

 

[JMA610]

And how exactly do you make the foam? This might be better for me as I currently have very little money for this project, but 5 bucks sounds like a sweet deal to me.