How was your reaction to how the Jean/Dark Phoenix was done?

[WTFimVENOM]

Too many things about her character were disapointing. Her look (which for some reason was different than her look from the last film), her powers, her relegation to being just a sideplot. Where was she during Magento's attack? And how about the explanation of where the Phoenix persona came from. Xavier just says she previously had a suppressed evil personality? huh? We never heard anythign about that before and then...that's all the explanation we get. Getting rid of Scott, which would have added a lot of emotional depth was a major mistake in my opinion.

When I left the theater I felt disapointed. Now the more I think about this film, I am becoming irritated.

Yeah, but hopfully these mistakes can be corrected in X4. They could explain what happened more clearly, maby she could come back being good and have a better look, maby they could bring scott back, who knows?

 

[phantom47]

But what about the forest scene in which Jean and Magneto interacted? That was really great. Magneto didn't see the "problem" that Xavier tried to warn him, (even with the cure darts aiming right at him) and in the end, Magneto regretted ever taking Phoenix along with him.

Magneto wanted powerful mutants to join him, but never realized that without that sense of control, that power would be lethal no matter what side you're on.

after Mags was cured at Alcatraz while hes running we hear him say "What have I done"

 

[X-Maniac]

No, we didn´t.
Tell one scene where the all inner struggle appears, and don´t tell me the one with Woilverine and Jean, because that´s the moment she lost it, and before the killing of Xavier.

For all i remember, right before Logan killed her, she asks him "Would you die for them?", which he replys, "Not, not for them, for you, i love you" and then he kills her.
She never reasserted control, but, if you are right and i´m wrong, it´s even more dumb that i thought, because, if she reasserted control because Logan said he loved her, it clearly shows that she didn´t loved Scott, because she killed him and never reasserted control because of it.

The inner struggle appeared most notably at Alkali Lake when evil Phoenix appeared while she was hugging Cyclops. And again at the mansion when she woke as Phoenix and then became Jean ('where am I?') and then became Phoenix again.

At the end, Wolverine was able to reach out to Jean. She quite obviously became Jean (her face changed) and begged him to save her, which he did.

This was the story of a confused woman with a split personality.

The inner struggle between Jean and Phoenix happened all the way through the movie. Did you go into the wrong auditorium or something?

 

[liamoversion2]

Nonsense. She killed the two people she loved most. She couldn't stay at the mansion. She had nowhere else to go, Magneto offered her some comfort after she killed Xavier. She was a confused, vulnerable woman and Magneto knew he couldn't provoke her (she showed with the cure gun that she could easily take him out). He only provoked her into action at the end. He obviously wanted much more of a war, the Alcatraz battle was just the start - but he was stopped. You can't expect to see any more within that movie, as Magneto's plan was halted and Jean's unstable power was also stopped.

We couldn't have had her flying around nuking cities and having stars as light snacks. Get out of fanboy mode and join the real world! You seem to want it all spelled out to you in big simple words; you just need to absorb it and think about it a little more. All the adults i saw it with knew exactly what was going on.

There's only one question you must answer: Are you an intelligent adult or not?

Wow dude....

Aren't we discussing a movie here? Why do you have to get personal? Very strange.

I know what the writers were going for - to show what Jean was capable of, establish that she was a schizo and then have her hang over the rest of the movie like a dark shadow. Bottom line however is that it simply did not work. She looked like a moron standing around with no exploration of her character at all. Are you actually willing to stand up and say that after she killed Xavier that her character was expounded in any depth?

It was a cop out. Plain and simple.

I think it goes without saying that nobody expected exploding stars in the movie, so I'm not even going to bother responding to that part of your post...

I don't understand how you can defend it. It's been one of the critics main concerns as well. She STANDS THERE FOR 45 MINUTES! MUTE!!!!

It's ridiculous.

 

[X-Maniac]

Wow dude....

Aren't we discussing a movie here? Why do you have to get personal? Very strange.

I know what the writers were going for - to show what Jean was capable of, establish that she was a schizo and then have her hang over the rest of the movie like a dark shadow. Bottom line however is that it simply did not work. She looked like a moron standing around with no exploration of her character at all. Are you actually willing to stand up and say that after she killed Xavier that her character was expounded in any depth?

It was a cop out. Plain and simple.

I think it goes without saying that nobody expected exploding stars in the movie, so I'm not even going to bother responding to that part of your post...

I don't understand how you can defend it. It's been one of the critics main concerns as well. She STANDS THERE FOR 45 MINUTES! MUTE!!!!

It's ridiculous.

She was being held back as Magneto's ultimate weapon.

Take the chess comparison. She was his 'queen' after all the 'pawns' and others had gone. But he then realised what he had done, and fled...

 

[FreeRadical]

She was wonderful for the scenes she was in and up until she killed Xavier, after that it was an absolute disgrace.

She just stood around for 45 minutes doing nothing! She had one single line after she killed Xavier. That's because nobody involved in the production, including the screenwriters, had the talent to express, understand or come up with any actual motivation that Jean may have had in this story. So what was their solution? Just make her mute for the rest of the movie, that's the easy way out! If she doesn't speak, then nobody knows what the heck she's supposed to be doing tagging along with Magneto and people can make up their own minds! That frees them of the responsibility of having to actually write a decent fecking screenplay!

In order to have a real relationship, characters need to have something called 'unity of opposites'. It's very basic screenwriting. Magneto and Jean have nothing of the sort holding them together.

That is not how to make a movie.

True. We never know what she wants, or her inner self strugging to know who she really is. Jean just being Magneto's replacement side-kick was disappointing.

She was just a human demoleculizing machine

That was not Phoenix. It was Jean with pre-menstral tension.

 

[Nathan]

She was being held back as Magneto's ultimate weapon.

Take the chess comparison. She was his 'queen' after all the 'pawns' and others had gone. But he then realised what he had done, and fled...

And that explored her character how?

 

[Nathan]

Who's talking about miscast? We're talking about the fact that she got nothing to do after Xavier got killed or enough dialog to explore her character.

 

[FreeRadical]

Famke is a good actress. They misused her. She had like what..7 lines only.

 

[liamoversion2]

Take the chess comparison. She was his 'queen' after all the 'pawns' and others had gone. But he then realised what he had done, and fled...

That's actually a pretty good idea. Unfortunately it wasn't explored. He never referred to her as the queen. But then nothing in the movie was really explored.

Magneto must really like chess though.

 

[AVP82]

That's actually a pretty good idea. Unfortunately it wasn't explored. He never referred to her as the queen. But then nothing in the movie was really explored.

Magneto must really like chess though.

Of course, didn't he play chess in all three movies?

 

[Douces]

I think the Phoenix plot really should have been developed as the main plot of the film for a couple of reasons.

First of all, the Phoenix plot was character driven whereas the Cure plot is not: character driven plot generally makes a stronger story. The cure plot could still have been used, but the Phoenix plot should have received the bulk of the development.

Second, the climax of the Phoenix story is the climax of the film, so it would have been a stronger climax had the film built the Phoenix story more in the second act of the film.

Third, the Phoenix plot involves Wolverine, who is essentially the film series' protagonist, while the Cure plot does not really involve him on a personal level. Films (and stories in general) are usually stronger when the main plot involves the protagonist in some way.

 

[ILuvCyclops]

Famke is a good actress. They misused her. She had like what..7 lines only.

Yeah, she was mostly staring off into the distance like she was on an acid trip or something

 

[borinquenknight]

The only flaw that annoyed me was that i wanted more at the lake in terms of her entrance, i wanted her to burst out of the water at least maybe with fire around her (it didnt have to be a bird)

I was thinking the same thing. When I saw the glow on Cykes face it just wreaked of cheesy cliche.

 

[liamoversion2]

I think the Phoenix plot really should have been developed as the main plot of the film for a couple of reasons.

First of all, the Phoenix plot was character driven whereas the Cure plot is not: character driven plot generally makes a stronger story. The cure plot could still have been used, but the Phoenix plot should have received the bulk of the development.

Second, the climax of the Phoenix story is the climax of the film, so it would have been a stronger climax had the film built the Phoenix story more in the second act of the film.

Third, the Phoenix plot involves Wolverine, who is essentially the film series' protagonist, while the Cure plot does not really involve him on a personal level. Films (and stories in general) are usually stronger when the main plot involves the protagonist in some way.

Yup. Totally.

 

[bittercarrot]

I thought the pheonix was reinterpreted ok. i would have preferred to see the fire bird. but famke made it work, she creeped the hell out of me. but it's true what everyone is saying, she was underused.

 

[FreeRadical]

Where was the 'Phoenix from the flames' so to speak, I just blinked and she appeared.

 

[comicgirl]

I personally was pissed when i first found out that there was no firebird, but after the movie I was just in awww!!! The special effects and her acting was brilliant

I actually liked her character in this one, as opposed to "ugh!, there's freakin' Jean!"

 

[AVP82]

I actually liked her character in this one, as opposed to "ugh!, there's freakin' Jean!"

LOL

But I liked Jean as the good girl.

 

[Ben Urich]

My only gripe was the total lack of a flame/bird effect.

 

[comicgirl]

LOL

But I liked Jean as the good girl.

ugh, not me! I like a girl that will kick a$$! As opposed to Storm.

Could someone PLEASE keep Halle Berry away from anything that looks like an X!! Was her job to get biatch slapped all over the film? If so, bravo

 

[Dr.Dude]

I really wanted to see some firey effects, even if not the bird.... but ah well. At least she had the orange eyes, and they gave reference to the fire a few times. Either way, Phoenix still definitely came across as an absolutely god-like force more powerful than anything the X-Men had ever faced before, and that's what really important.... and besides, the special effects she did have were still pretty amazing, especially at the finale.

And despite the fact that the role was largely silent.... Famke said more with her acting, with her facial expressions and especially with her eyes then she could have ever said in dialogue. Easily one of the best performances of the movie, and maybe even of the whole trilogy.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

i thot her effects were excellent i wud have loved the firebird but this was the next best thing just imagine a huge firebird around alcatraz while jean desinigrated everything o well x3 rocked

 

[mysticalflames]

Hi whom ever asked if they are going to bring her back I have to say they have to. It's a must, how dare they kill of an X-Men. Especial the one that is the most powerful amont the main ones. I mean that is soo weak. So yeah the better lol

 

[comicgirl]

I enjoyed watching Halle Berry get beat up for some reason.

me too ..but, for 3 movies?!