Supergirl How would you move Supergirl into the main CWverse?

[NiallC]

I think everyone must have considered this at some point now. Whether it will happen I don't know but it is certainly something I've wondered about whether they actually can, it may be too difficult as it may result in the wiping of season 1 of Supergirl. Other than the Flash crossing over the only link I can think of is that they've both shown a Legion ring. So for me the easiest way to do it, and might involve a big crossover event including Supergirl, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. I don't think Arrow would need to be involved but still could.

For me some sort of incident caused by the upcoming Flashpoint results in Flash, Supergirl and one or two Legends being dragged to the 31st century. The rest of the Legends travel forward, possibly bringing Green Arrow if they want to do a big event, to save them. In their efforts to travel back they can only return to one Earth, the other would be destroyed. Or at least could never be accessed again. Obviously Earth 1 would be chosen but some loopholes might allow them to merge the Earths and that would somehow bring in the Supergirl cast into the CWverse. I mean now we have Superman they could easily do it where he is bright to the future also but he sacrifices himself to merge the worlds. And that would deal with the criticisms of why doesn't Kara just ask Clark for help as he would no longer exist and it's the sort of selfless act Superman would do.

I really hope it doesn't go that way and the writers could find a better way to do it but in my head right now this is the only plausible thing I could think of. Flash's ability to time travel and cross Earths and the Legion are the only things that link them at the moment. And I also don't think Hoechlin's stint as Superman will be a big one. Obviously Arrow is the only show we've heard of with known restrictions on characters but we can't be ignorant and claim that none of the other shows have these same restrictions. Especially when the worlds of Flash, Supergirl and LoT can't meet a much larger range of heroes than Arrow ever would have. I believe that DC are definitely being more lenient with characters now due to how popular the shows are or whether to use the shows as a way to build up support for their heavily critiqued film universe but I don't know. I don't think Superman will be around for long.

But still I'd love to hear people's thoughts and theories on it or if they think my idea is the most plausible.

 

[DigificWriter]

I wouldn't, because there's absolutely no reason to.

 

[Boy Scout]

I wouldn't.

 

[vantheman77]

Crossover yes, but no on moving Supergirl into the Arrowverse. Why when she is already established on her own?

 

[TheRedWraith]

I think everyone must have considered this at some point now. Whether it will happen I don't know but it is certainly something I've wondered about whether they actually can, it may be too difficult as it may result in the wiping of season 1 of Supergirl. Other than the Flash crossing over the only link I can think of is that they've both shown a Legion ring. So for me the easiest way to do it, and might involve a big crossover event including Supergirl, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. I don't think Arrow would need to be involved but still could.

For me some sort of incident caused by the upcoming Flashpoint results in Flash, Supergirl and one or two Legends being dragged to the 31st century. The rest of the Legends travel forward, possibly bringing Green Arrow if they want to do a big event, to save them. In their efforts to travel back they can only return to one Earth, the other would be destroyed. Or at least could never be accessed again. Obviously Earth 1 would be chosen but some loopholes might allow them to merge the Earths and that would somehow bring in the Supergirl cast into the CWverse. I mean now we have Superman they could easily do it where he is bright to the future also but he sacrifices himself to merge the worlds. And that would deal with the criticisms of why doesn't Kara just ask Clark for help as he would no longer exist and it's the sort of selfless act Superman would do.

I really hope it doesn't go that way and the writers could find a better way to do it but in my head right now this is the only plausible thing I could think of. Flash's ability to time travel and cross Earths and the Legion are the only things that link them at the moment. And I also don't think Hoechlin's stint as Superman will be a big one. Obviously Arrow is the only show we've heard of with known restrictions on characters but we can't be ignorant and claim that none of the other shows have these same restrictions. Especially when the worlds of Flash, Supergirl and LoT can't meet a much larger range of heroes than Arrow ever would have. I believe that DC are definitely being more lenient with characters now due to how popular the shows are or whether to use the shows as a way to build up support for their heavily critiqued film universe but I don't know. I don't think Superman will be around for long.

But still I'd love to hear people's thoughts and theories on it or if they think my idea is the most plausible.

I would move th m together although there would be no unnecessary and convuluted 31st century shenanigans all that is need is for a superman and Supergirl to already exist but he locked up and fixing flashpoint still results in some changes chiefly Supergirl and superman not being captured causing the season 1 Supergirl to more or less happen the same except little lines/inconsistencies wouldn't have happened the same way.
Or flashpoint somehow merges both universes like it did in flashpoint with the wildstorm Vertigo and dc universes.

 

[Sara Lance]

I would just go full on Fringe. A permanent massive breach that connects the two universe like The Vacuum. It would be fascinating because it would turn the whole world on it's head. We would have governments and militarizes scrambling, metas and aliens breaching. And Supergirl and Flash could serve as ambassadors of both worlds.

And we can finish the season with the breach destablizing and finally closing. But not before literally all of National City ends up in the Flash universe. This would help fix the huge problem that is Superman's shadow in Kara's life by liteally locking him out

 

[Dr.]

I wouldn't, because there's absolutely no reason to.

I agree. The inter-dimensional “breaches” established on The Flash are an almost ideal bit of phlebotimum. When it’s convenient to plots and internal logic, the respective worlds can be kept separate. But if you want a special, ratings-boosting crossover event, just - temporarily - open up a breach. It’s a win-win.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Flashpoint should just combine the universes

No need at all for Supergirl to be in a different universe

 

[Boy Scout]

Besides the fact that it already is.

 

[vantheman77]

Because Supergirl is in another universe, it will likely not be affected by Flashpoint. I don't think Flashpoint is a good story for a mega crossover. I'm looking at the original Crisis more for that.

 

[metaphysician]

Besides the fact that it already is.

If you mean "same multiverse", sure. But it mostly definitely doesn't take place on Earth-1.

Anyway, the problem with a merger is that you'd need to decide who else to bring along. . . and a retroactive insertion of Superman especially would be *really* messy for the Arrowverse. You can't stick Superman in the setting without making it basically unrecognizable, but you can't remove Superman from Supergirl's setting without making her story unrecognizable.

A less cosmic of merger, where its just National City being physically relocated, I *suppose* could be done. Still, I think as long as there are ready access portals between the worlds, so that crossovers can happen regularly? No need to merge the worlds.

 

[Boy Scout]

If you mean "same multiverse", sure. But it mostly definitely doesn't take place on Earth-1.

I know. That's what I was saying.

 

[coluanprime]

Can we have a crisis? Please?

 

[Boy Scout]

Sure. Just watch Arrow season four.

 

[justlooking]

Doesn't Supergirl die in comic book crisis event? Well if they do try to merge the shows they don't have to follow that script. I'm sure 'Flashpoint' will most likely localized to the Flash. I just don't like any talk about killing off Supes just to make it easy on the writers. That would be weak.

 

[coluanprime]

Sure. Just watch Arrow season four.

As in an actual red skies one. Not one that's caused by fans b****in about a good season. But with western heroes and space heroes and everything in between.

 

[wampa1]

Doesn't Supergirl die in comic book crisis event? Well if they do try to merge the shows they don't have to follow that script. I'm sure 'Flashpoint' will most likely localized to the Flash. I just don't like any talk about killing off Supes just to make it easy on the writers. That would be weak.

She could 'die' as far as her universe is concerned but in reality get trapped in The Flash universe.

 

[TheRedWraith]

If you mean "same multiverse", sure. But it mostly definitely doesn't take place on Earth-1.

Anyway, the problem with a merger is that you'd need to decide who else to bring along. . . and a retroactive insertion of Superman especially would be *really* messy for the Arrowverse. You can't stick Superman in the setting without making it basically unrecognizable, but you can't remove Superman from Supergirl's setting without making her story unrecognizable.

A less cosmic of merger, where its just National City being physically relocated, I *suppose* could be done. Still, I think as long as there are ready access portals between the worlds, so that crossovers can happen regularly? No need to merge the worlds.

It would be pretty easy just make it so everything happened virtually the same except dialogue that goes against the existence of superman didn't happen the same way.

 

[Mustang69]

After thinking about it a bit I guess there isnt really a need to combine the universes so as long as they are willing to do cross-overs with the other shows in the CWverse then it's not really a problem for me.

I really wish they hadn't tied their hands with that comment on Arrow about there not being any meta's up until that point. I think that's the only reason they need a multi-verse.

 

[DigificWriter]

It would be pretty easy just make it so everything happened the same except lines that go against the existence of superman didn't happen the dlsame way.

Things WOULDN'T happen the same, though, because Superman's existence on Earth-1 would create massive changes in the way that Team Arrow dealt with some of the threats they've faced, and in the way that the public reacted to Barry as The Flash, the way that the CCPD dealt with Metahumans, and the way that the Time Masters responded to Vandal Savage's tyranny.

Retroactively combining the two universes isn't just a matter of snapping one's fingers; it would require a complete reboot of a combined 9 seasons' worth of storytelling, and yet people are either ignoring this or deciding that they don't care.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I had a theory that I mentioned in another thread...

about the pod we see at the end of Supergirl's last season being either her own/or baby Kal-el's pod from earth 1 (that like on her earth, the pod was suppose to land on earth 1, as well) but, also got stuck in a time rift/black hole causing it to only crash now

but, with all of Barry's jumping between alternate earths it caused a portal to Supergirl's earth that the pod went through instead

or an alternate theory... that her earth 1 doppelgänger was suppose to crash on earth the same night Barry's mom died, but, since he's traveled to that point multiple times now, it some how opens a time portal in space that the pod went in to (sending it through time and to the alternate world) just to tie in the ramifications of his travels to that one point in time

and back to where the show left of... Supergirl finds the pod on her world, with either her younger self/or baby Kal-el, realizes that its not of her world (remembering the time Barry crossed over, knowing that there are alternate earths) try's to send it back discovering a portal has opened up between there worlds

since it is the younger version of her/him they not only bring them back to earth 1 but back in time to when it was suppose land... making that doppelgänger age appropriate for the current timeline (of the rest of the shows)

so, it wouldn't actually be the Supergirl we've seen in the show so far, but, her doppelgänger

I was also thinking it'd be interesting if when they bring her back to that time (assuming its her) that she is givin to the West family to be raised (so, her an iris grew up as sisters) instead of Barry who now has his family back

 

[metaphysician]

It would be pretty easy just make it so everything happened the same except lines that go against the existence of superman didn't happen the dlsame way.

Its not a matter of "lines", its a matter of "the world of Earth-1 is a world that did not have Superman in it years before it even started". Inserting Superman as a public alien heroic demigod before Ollie even got stranded on the island? Changes everything, in ways subtle and extreme. Here's a biggy: it makes the first season or so of Flash nearly impossible, as nothing happening there can really be treated as "impossible", nor can the Flash be treated as this new and inspiring thing. It transforms Barry into a johnny-come-very-lately, and would require completely rewriting basically the entire public response to the various and sundry rampaging metahumans.

 

[haephestus]

I'm not sure that I want Supergirl's Earth to be combined with Earth 1 (Arrowverse) or for Supergirl to permanently and irreversibly travel from her own Earth to Earth 1.

If it HAD to happen for budget or other reasons, then the simplest answer would simply be for Supergirl to travel to Earth 1 to help The Flash fight some big threat and to then become stranded on Earth 1, after which she decides to seek her own path on Earth 1 rather than simply join Team Flash in Central City.

 

[DigificWriter]

Its not a matter of "lines", its a matter of "the world of Earth-1 is a world that did not have Superman in it years before it even started". Inserting Superman as a public alien heroic demigod before Ollie even got stranded on the island? Changes everything, in ways subtle and extreme. Here's a biggy: it makes the first season or so of Flash nearly impossible, as nothing happening there can really be treated as "impossible", nor can the Flash be treated as this new and inspiring thing. It transforms Barry into a johnny-come-very-lately, and would require completely rewriting basically the entire public response to the various and sundry rampaging metahumans.

Exactly.

There seems to be this idea out there that Supergirl was only separated from the Arrowverse because of network considerations, but said idea is just plain false.

The series was not set on "Earth-1" in the Arrowverse proper because of massive incompatibilities in the way that it was developed and the things that had been established regarding the existence of Metahumans and extra-ordinary beings on Earth-1 stretching all the way back to Season 2 of Arrow.

Supergirl as a character was never going to exist without her cousin because Greg Berlanti had no interest in that idea whatsoever, and her cousin simply couldn't exist on Earth-1 given what had been established by Arrow and The Flash when it comes to the existence of the "extraordinary"... which is why her Earth became part of the "Arrow-Derived Multiversal Reality Construct".

 

[vantheman77]

Supergirl is established without Flash and Arrow and the series can stand on its own merits without being in the Arrowverse.