HULK did it! The Marvel RELAUNCH thread

[spideyboy_1111]

Spidey:

Smith is a good director but he'd be awful for a DD film.

It's to bad Garner won't be back. She was a great Elektra IMO.

well we've never seen him do that type of film... and he is an ultimate fan boy, i'd be willing to give him a chance.

Garner i love, sure she didn't look like elektra and would have probably made a better black widow... but I still enjoyed her in the roll.. and the opening scene of elektra proved she can do her justice. It's the rest of the movie that steered off... it should have been done like a female punisher.. and then finding redemption in the end. Not having the whole movie about finding redemption.

 

[The Major]

well we've never seen him do that type of film... and he is an ultimate fan boy, i'd be willing to give him a chance.

Being a fanboy, while a good thing, does not mean he'll do a good job adapting it. What matters is if they have the skills to make a good movie along with that knowledge. Del Toro did this with Hellboy. Rodriguiz did this with Sin City.

MSJ was a DD fan, too. Still screwed up DD and Ghost Rider.

Garner i love, sure she didn't look like elektra and would have probably made a better black widow... but I still enjoyed her in the roll.. and the opening scene of elektra proved she can do her justice. It's the rest of the movie that steered off... it should have been done like a female punisher.. and then finding redemption in the end. Not having the whole movie about finding redemption.

I liked Elektra better then DD. It wasn't perfect but like DD they didn't go dark enough. I agree it should have gone the Punisher route.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Being a fanboy, while a good thing, does not mean he'll do a good job adapting it. What matters is if they have the skills to make a good movie along with that knowledge. Del Toro did this with Hellboy. Rodriguiz did this with Sin City.

MSJ was a DD fan, too. Still screwed up DD and Ghost Rider.



I liked Elektra better then DD. It wasn't perfect but like DD they didn't go dark enough. I agree it should have gone the Punisher route.

MSJ did not screw up daredevil... FOX screwed up daredevil... did you not see the directors cut? it was spot on

 

[The Major]

MSJ did not screw up daredevil... FOX screwed up daredevil...

MSJ directed DD for Fox. Fox deserves most of the blame but that doesn't mean he didn't screw up with his execution.

did you not see the directors cut? it was spot on

Yes. It was better but only marginally.

 

[yoshimura]

DD should be done straight out of the comic books a la Sin City but with its own kinda feel and artistic style.

We need diversity… don't go with a Batman Begins' realism because that's what every Superhero director seems to be partially aiming for.

People will be getting tired of the Superhero genre if you don't switch things up.

 

[The Major]

yoshi:

Was only using Nolan's style as an example.

 

[yoshimura]

gotcha.

Personally, I want to see DD in with that Sin City comic book feel.

but, as i mentioned, with its own artistic style.

 

[Spider-Fan]

DD should not be done ala Sin City. It just needs someone with a vision.

And I love the DC, though it is still flawed.

 

[BETArayBill]

Good god the ff needs to be relaunched the thing needs to be cgi the suit sux the only good thing about those movies was michael chicklis and chris evans everyone else was terriable

 

[BETArayBill]

DD should not be done ala Sin City. It just needs someone with a vision.

And I love the DC, though it is still flawed.

ya i agree with you on that daredevil done like sin city would be amazing plus i like daredevil's movie somewhat i just cant get pass affleck as dd even though hes not bad

 

[The Major]

gotcha.

Personally, I want to see DD in with that Sin City comic book feel.

but, as i mentioned, with its own artistic style.

That'd be fine, too.

 

[BETArayBill]

plus with all the continutiny going on with the marvel films you could have doctor doom since he is marvel's best villan pulling the strings of all the villans in the other movies and have some kind of secret wars type of movie where they all take on doom and the masters of evil of something

 

[The Major]

Doom (a good one) meeting Iron Man in a live action film would be glorious.

That's reason enough for Marvel to get the FF rights back from Fox.

 

[BETArayBill]

ya my brother and me think hugo weaving could have been a good dr. doom but hes kinda of old now

 

[Sawyer]

Will Marvel ever get Fantastic Four/X-Men back from Fox? If so, when?

I'd love to be there on the day that Marvel gets F4 back and does things right.

 

[Franklin Richards]

FF3 and SS1 needs to not be made for a while for the rights to revert back.

 

[The Major]

ya my brother and me think hugo weaving could have been a good dr. doom but hes kinda of old now

Doom was never a spring chicken.

Weaving would be great as Doom. Just give him a great script then let the man work.

 

[The Major]

Will Marvel ever get Fantastic Four/X-Men back from Fox? If so, when?

Not sure exactly when but it should be soon. IIRC Fox needs to make a movie every five years to keep the rights.

That's why Fox is getting the SS film in production. It counts as a sequel.

I'd love to be there on the day that Marvel gets F4 back and does things right.

Hell yeah.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would say a Daredevil relaunch is more important. The Fantastic Four franchise may be dead now,but DD only got a single movie.

 

[The Major]

I would say a Daredevil relaunch is more important.

While I disagree I wouldn't be against Marvel making a DD movie before a FF movie.

The Fantastic Four franchise may be dead now,but DD only got a single movie.

The rights should be reverting back to Marvel very soon, too.

Hopefully Marvel will be able to schedule in a new DD movie in the future. Won't be within five years, though. They're to busy setting up Avengers.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

my problem with DD and FF relaunches is why? there more accurate then not. And the audience does not want to see the same thing done again. Batman forever and Returns are far different then begins and it had been over 10 years since a batman origin story. And we finally got to see Batman done in a pretty damn good way. Redoing the FF and DD when they got enough right the first time is just repetitive and would do horrible at the box office. Sure we all want a great movie, but I even don't wanna see the same thing again. It's called take what worked and keep it for a sequel, take what didnt, and change it. If anything should be rebooted it should be the X-men franchise, it has only been about 30% true to the comics since the beginning and has enough room to show us new things.

Fantastic four would hardly show us anything new, just better performances same with daredevil. Hulk is getting a reboot because it was hardly what Hulk is about. Even still they played it safe and made it a "sorta" sequel... basically not showing an origin and giving unintelligent viewers the sequel feel. Daredevil should do the same... or Ala punisher: war zone... basically we now the origin, don't show us it.. the movie has it's own continuity.

For all we know TIH could fail miserably come july, the only people i know who even care to see it are comic fans. Which is not good. I hope it does well but only time will tell. Reboots too soon i fear hurt the reboot more then anything.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The way to setup a new FF franchise by Marvel Studios is to get the rights back of course but then do a Doom movie first.

Do Doom's comic origin with young Reed and Ben in the mix during the college years and when you get to the last reel have Doom shoot the Baxter Building into space and blow it up with them in it. End on a downer

Perfect Empire Strikes Back ending.


Then you do the FF sequel. Doom, Annihilus, Blastaar, the Negative Zone, and the birth of Franklin. Make it as long as ya need. Same as the Doom movie.


I'm sorry. Was I babbling?

 

[The Major]

Spidey:

FF needs a total revamp. They can do this by doing a soft retcon (getting rid of the Story movies continuity or ignore it completely) with only mentioning the FF origin not showing it in complete details, small snippits will do, but having new adventures could take center stage. This needs to be recast worse then DD does.

Doom will need a complete overhaul. He needs to be made more faithfully. He needs to be FF's Darth Vader, not a lame businessman who isn't smart enough to build his own armor.

DD doesn't necessarily need a revamp. But it needs some distance between it and the original movie for the audience to take it seriously.

They could make a Born Again sequel. They just need to recast every one. Not mention Elektra, they can bring her in again later on if its successful, and possibly keep Duncan as Kingpin. It just depends on how close Marvel would want to tie its new DD movie with the original.

Reboots don't hurt if the franchise is already failing. DD, FF & GR fit this critera.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Spidey:

FF needs a total revamp. They can do this by doing a soft retcon (getting rid of the Story movies continuity or ignore it completely) with only mentioning the FF origin but having new adventures. This needs to be recast worse then DD does.

Doom will need a complete overhaul.

DD doesn't necessarily need a revamp. But it needs some distance between it and the original movie for the audience to take it seriously.

They could make a Born Again sequel. They just need to recast every one. Not mention Elektra, they can bring her in again later on if its successful, and possibly keep Duncan as Kingpin. It just depends on how close Marvel would want to tie its new DD movie with the original.

Reboots don't hurt if the franchise is already failing. DD, FF & GR fit this critera.

Only 2 people need recast in FF... sue and doom. Johnny and ben are spot on, and Reed is just decent. Theres no reason to really retcon it.. just make a sequel. I would love a movie with franklin's birth, the negative zone and the inhumans... with Doom egging Annhilus on to attack earth.

dude what reboot do we have to compare it too right now? you can't say "reboots dont hurt if the franchise if failing" because we don't know. Hulk will be the best indication, if hulk fails then your theory is wrong. If hulk does well then your theory could be right.

Batman is a huge property so thats one reason it worked... and another reason has been the fact it had been almost 10 years since a batfilm was made. its been only 4 years since a hulk movie has been made... which may just be too soon.

I think it's pointless to waste time with a remake when the originals didn't really stray too far. Just take whats been done, keep what worked, and make a sequel the right way. The movies don't have to have the same feel or campy-ness. Take what doesn't work, and fix it. simple as that.

 

[Ceb-Man]

Daredevil and Fantastic Four needs to be relaunched under Marvel Studios.
Fantastic Four could be a great franchise under Marvel. I want to see Dr. Doom as the threat he should be portrayed. When he enters the room or scene, you know something bad will happen.
I like Daredevil, but the original movie shouldn't be revisted. One thing is trying to bring too many Daredevil elements in one story,. I mean I couldn't see Born Again being done for DD2, because Kingpin knew who Daredevil was in the original movie and why would Karen Page who was seen briefly in DD be such a story for DD 2 when you didn't know nothing about the character to begin with. Matt and karen's relationship was never really touched on. A relaunch could focus on this.