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Welcome one and all to the final day of Hype Survivor 29! On Day 18 POWdER-Man was voted out after SF won our final immunity challenge. He shall be missed, but not for too long because now is the day that he and all his fellow jurors get to come back and cast their vote for a winner. Will it be Kal or Spider-Fan? We'll know soon enough.

But first...

Ah, **** the rules today, only one rule matters today, what the jury says goes! So I give you, our final grid!

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Its kind of appropriate that its Michael Westen and John Clark representing Kal and SF, respectively. Michael Westen is smooth and does as little damage as possible. Meanwhile John Clark is a brutal force of nature, leaving destruction in his path where ever he goes. and if last day's thread has proven anything, that sums up these players to a tee.

Now, we have a lot to cover today, the jurors have until 2 pm est time tomorrow to submit their questions. In the mean time, we're going have some supplementary awards to give out and the jurors can feel free to air their grievances with the players in this thread.

Its been a fun game, but all beginnings must have an ending, and here we are. Who will win? Time will tell.
 
I like to think Kal and me more as Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid myself :word:
 
Now that we've come to the final day...

It's not a "spin cycle." I'm explaining my strategy. You're again commenting on your search for the idol and NOT how knowledge you were being voted out would have effected said search. I mentioned concern about you maybe having the idol to BOTH Powder and Kal. You're missing the point and trying to run your own "spin zone" in order to make me look bad. I hope the jury notices how you're dodging my points.

News flash! I was told about your betrayal before the votes were ever revealed. Did I go looking for the idol? No, I did not. As I said before, after I got the ridiculous 'I never told you what idol the clue was for' clue from Matt, I gave up. I felt like he was just jerking me around, and it wasn't worth it.

What am I hiding? Please elaborate. I'm not denying anything. I'm elaborating on what happened. Your bias against me doesn't change the fact that I'm not lying. I don't lie at the finals. I didn't last time, and I am not this time either.

...and I'll look forward to more of your masterful story telling. All I can really say is that I sincerely hope this jury votes for the person who played the game powerfully and respectfully. And that person is not you.

I believe POWdER said it best - you are a lousy player who takes advantage of honest players with promises you never intend to keep.
 
Alright, I'm going to hand out a few of these supplementary awards and lets start out with the award for Miss Congeniality. Dr. Watson has won this in the past, so our winner is in good company. This award goes to the player who exemplifies all around good character and sportsmanship despite this being a cut throat game.

This player was voted out early and is a constant target of Hype Survivor ball busting. Despite that, he never threw a hissy fit, he always hung around the threads and gave constructive commentary. He really is an all around good guy despite having every reason to go on an Asteroid-Man-esque tirade.

Therefore, the Hype Survivor 29 Miss Congeniality Award goes to:

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ALEX THE GREAT!!!!
 
Now that we've come to the final day...



News flash! I was told about your betrayal before the votes were ever revealed. Did I go looking for the idol? No, I did not. As I said before, after I got the ridiculous 'I never told you what idol the clue was for' clue from Matt, I gave up. I felt like he was just jerking me around, and it wasn't worth it.

That clue was a reflection of the fact that multiple idols were in play. A hint to the fact that another player had one, which could have been very useful if used right.
 
The next award goes to the opposite of Miss Congeniality. This award is named for Asteroid-Man, who laid the ground work for every Hype Survivor complainer to come after him. This player loves to *****. Be it about challenges, idol clues, hosts, or other players, it seems like all they do is whine.

The Asteroid-Man Award for Not-So-Outstanding Achievment in the Field of Whining goes to....

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MARX!!!!
 
The final award I am going to give out for now (Hunter will be awarding the rest later) is a reflection of....well....I'm not really sure what this one represents. This player has been a Hype Survivor legend. And while googling trophies for the other awards I found this one and couldn't resist. :woot:

So the next winner is

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TEDDY!!!!
 
Alright, I'm going to hand out a few of these supplementary awards and lets start out with the award for Miss Congeniality. Dr. Watson has won this in the past, so our winner is in good company. This award goes to the player who exemplifies all around good character and sportsmanship despite this being a cut throat game.

This player was voted out early and is a constant target of Hype Survivor ball busting. Despite that, he never threw a hissy fit, he always hung around the threads and gave constructive commentary. He really is an all around good guy despite having every reason to go on an Asteroid-Man-esque tirade.

Therefore, the Hype Survivor 29 Miss Congeniality Award goes to:

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ALEX THE GREAT!!!!
I won this reward because I wasn't trustworthy or reliable :awesome:

:argh:

Can't wait for the next Survivor!
 
You won it for being a good guy. That's a good award to win. Would you prefer the Ass-Man award? Would you prefer Sean Penn over Sandra Bullock?
 
Now that we've come to the final day...



News flash! I was told about your betrayal before the votes were ever revealed. Did I go looking for the idol? No, I did not. As I said before, after I got the ridiculous 'I never told you what idol the clue was for' clue from Matt, I gave up. I felt like he was just jerking me around, and it wasn't worth it.

That doesn't change the fact that it is the strategic reason I did it.

...and I'll look forward to more of your masterful story telling. All I can really say is that I sincerely hope this jury votes for the person who played the game powerfully and respectfully. And that person is not you.

I believe POWdER said it best - you are a lousy player who takes advantage of honest players with promises you never intend to keep.

I'll cover all this in my closing argument.
 
Spider-fan said:
i'd cover this at final 2, but in response to the promises point, I had only discussed final 2 with you and Kal. No one else. My original gameplan was a final 4 of you, me, Kal, and Marx. I was then going to try and help Kal win at that point in final 4, but you were willing to make the move 1 round earlier (as was Kal), so I decided to do that 1 round earlier. Then, I was going to lose the final 3 challenge and get chosen for final 2. However, I felt that running from making the choice would have been cowardly and unfair. Thus, I tried to win it.

Since your brain is having a mental relapse I guess I will have to remind you. We discussed taking each other to the finals WAYYYYY before this game even started. Way before we knew what players were going to be playing. Way before we knew when this Survivor would start. We were actually going to try to do at LSP. I don't care if kalel came to you later on said he would take you to the final two. You made a deal with me and a promise before any of this. One that I took seriously. You also made a promise to Marx and brought him into our group. In the end you put me in a position to either side with you are who was SUPPOSED to have my back and the player I felt should have been with us to the end. The fact that you made deals with us, and then had your own side deals in which you planned on betraying us from the beginning makes you a spineless player. Plus correct me if I am wrong I am sure I saw Squirrel say in a previous thread you made a final three deal with him as well. So like I say, you make a bunch of promises to people and then break them all.

As for remorse in elimination, 100% not true. I do feel remorse when I vote people out. However, I also understand that doing so is part of the game. At some point, everyone has to decide who their #1 ally is. Let me illustrate it this way:

Yeah, so we are supposed to take the word from the person who breaks promises and lies through his nose? Like I said even when Marx was eliminated, our closest ally (or at least mine besides you) I was saddened in my pms to you and a bit upset. You on the other hand didn't say one thing that showed you cared about doing so. Why would you care about any other?

Remember jury members, including supposed allies he had, actions speak louder than words and SF's actions speak loud and clear. If you received a blatant kiss-ass pm by him, its just that. Whatever he said it was just for show, and only for you fall for his lies once more.

On the other hand Kalel managed to get to the end by being loyal to his allies, making the necessary allies to better his position, not breaking his promises when he made them, and winning a bunch of challenges. THAT is what makes him worthy of winning.

Marx, IF, and Pat were all allied. Let's say that once I got recruited into that alliance that we stuck together. We all make final 4. Chances are, since that core was together earlier, I would likely be the one voted out. If you guys had voted me out then, wouldn't you be asking me to not hold that against you and that you had to do it to be true to other allies?

This has nothing to do with anything. Making a final two deal or three deal with one, or two of those players trumps any other ally. Especially when the deal was made before the game started and teams were managed.

The difference here is I have more allies as part of a larger strategy, so I make these decisions more frequently. These are not personal choices, they are game decisions. I made choices in the game that were best for me and my closer allies. Kal and Powder both told me I was their top 2 choice. I never got that kind of committment from Marx or anyone else on the jury (Marx had me as a top 3 ally, but NEVER did he say top 2). As a player, how would it make sense for me to keep players less committed to me around? I have a Survivor reputation that makes top end committments much harder to come by.

We all made allies, and we all sacrificed our allies for the greater good between the three of us. THAT is how you had any control of this game. Without Marx and I you would have probably been eliminated early like you did last time before Jury. Considering the amount of players who trust you is thinning because of your promises that you break and your ridiculous betrayals of your closest allies, THAT is and will forever be your Survivor reputation.

Marx and I was supposed to be your closest ally, not Kalel. Sorry kalel, but this was the truth as this how things were planned from the beginning. You (SF) made deals with us, that we would have honored and you obviously didn't and had no plans to do so. Yes you increased your chances by bringing two people who promised to take you to the end, but in doing so you burn your bridges along the way and as such must face the consequences for your actions.

Being backstabbed by another player has NEVER influenced the way I voted on the jury. CC and Holly hardcore backstabbed me in another game (on another site). I had promised to take CC to final 2 in that game also. I was VERY mad about her betrayel (especially the way it was handled). However, who did I vote for to win that game? CC. Why? Because I honestly wanted to see her win, despite what happened between us. Her strategy was bigger than her alliance to me, and I understood that.

I don't respect your manner of playing, and thus would never vote for you as you do not deserve the win. Any moron (as you have proven) can get to the finals if they constantly make and break promises to everyone to get themselves there. The trick is getting there with being deceitful and betray some allies but doing so by honoring your promises and not blindsiding them. You would have been NOTHING without Marx and I. Kalel on the other hand got connected to all three of us which was a smart move and managed his game without having to break any promises to any one of us. Why should he not be respected and given the win over you? He played a wonderful game, made his allies, won many challenges, and got to the end. Why should he not deserve to win?

I also NEVER made any final two or three deals outside of you and Marx. I don't have any problem saying that as its true. I can only have ONE final two person and ONE final three person. By doubling this you end up backstabbing someone majorly, and in doing so again you have to answer to your actions. Kalel didn't do this and managed to get himself to the finals. That's what you will never understand, and that's why you should never win.

Have I backstabbed people? Yes I have. I don't deny this. I also am not going to tell people I regret the decisions I made in the game. I did what I felt was best to make final 2. However, I will ask how it is right for power players like Powder, JewHob, Matt, Kipobe, Holly, etc to backstab people, but for some reason I'm held to a different standard and it is somehow wrong? Not to mention Kal knew everything I was doing in the game and why (and I do mean EVERYTHING).

Why the **** would you deny this? Everyone knows your word means absolutely nothing now, and old and new players alike will know by your previous actions means you can never be trusted. They only have to look at these threads and see for themselves. When your closest allies, who should be your biggest support for you winning, do not believe you deserve to win than you have played a poor game.

You are held differently as you handle your game poorly, and make promises you consistently break. Don't lump me with you, and do not compare me to your style of playing as you are obviously not intelligent enough to realize the difference.

You are now as transparent as a spineless, brainless, and gutless jellyfish. I only hope future players will regard you as such and will avoid you at all cost from now on. You are a lousy player, who will never deserve to win.
 
Since your brain is having a mental relapse I guess I will have to remind you. We discussed taking each other to the finals WAYYYYY before this game even started. Way before we knew what players were going to be playing. Way before we knew when this Survivor would start. We were actually going to try to do at LSP. I don't care if kalel came to you later on said he would take you to the final two. You made a deal with me and a promise before any of this. One that I took seriously. You also made a promise to Marx and brought him into our group. In the end you put me in a position to either side with you are who was SUPPOSED to have my back and the player I felt should have been with us to the end. The fact that you made deals with us, and then had your own side deals in which you planned on betraying us from the beginning makes you a spineless player. Plus correct me if I am wrong I am sure I saw Squirrel say in a previous thread you made a final three deal with him as well. So like I say, you make a bunch of promises to people and then break them all.

I also made promises for final 2 with Kal in 2 previous games. You didn't have to take Marx out. I didn't give you any ultimatums or threats like you did when you threatened me after Kal won the final 4 challenge.

Yeah, so we are supposed to take the word from the person who breaks promises and lies through his nose? Like I said even when Marx was eliminated, our closest ally (or at least mine besides you) I was saddened in my pms to you and a bit upset. You on the other hand didn't say one thing that showed you cared about doing so. Why would you care about any other?

Once again, you'll either believe me or not on matters like this. I'm not going to debate the level of emotion I felt during the game.

Remember jury members, including supposed allies he had, actions speak louder than words and SF's actions speak loud and clear. If you received a blatant kiss-ass pm by him, its just that. Whatever he said it was just for show, and only for you fall for his lies once more.

I told people where I was voting and what vote tallies were to be fair to the other players. I didn't try to kiss anyone's ass.

On the other hand Kalel managed to get to the end by being loyal to his allies, making the necessary allies to better his position, not breaking his promises when he made them, and winning a bunch of challenges. THAT is what makes him worthy of winning.

So, had you made final 2, you shouldn't have won? Because you betrayed Marx prior to final 3, and no one should vote for you because you play a game that involves disloyalty. How is this view not hypocritical?

We all made allies, and we all sacrificed our allies for the greater good between the three of us. THAT is how you had any control of this game. Without Marx and I you would have probably been eliminated early like you did last time before Jury. Considering the amount of players who trust you is thinning because of your promises that you break and your ridiculous betrayals of your closest allies, THAT is and will forever be your Survivor reputation.

You and Marx were not my only allies. If I didn't have you guys, I would have gone with another game plan and probably gotten far. I had a lot of options in this game. Your game, I got eliminated prior to jury thanks to JewHob.

Marx and I was supposed to be your closest ally, not Kalel. Sorry kalel, but this was the truth as this how things were planned from the beginning. You (SF) made deals with us, that we would have honored and you obviously didn't and had no plans to do so. Yes you increased your chances by bringing two people who promised to take you to the end, but in doing so you burn your bridges along the way and as such must face the consequences for your actions.

Once again, I am not the first person to play this kind of strategy, and if I win, I'm not the first person to win with this kind of strategy. Many players have won by playing far harsher than I ever have.

I don't respect your manner of playing, and thus would never vote for you as you do not deserve the win. Any moron (as you have proven) can get to the finals if they constantly make and break promises to everyone to get themselves there. The trick is getting there with being deceitful and betray some allies but doing so by honoring your promises and not blindsiding them. You would have been NOTHING without Marx and I. Kalel on the other hand got connected to all three of us which was a smart move and managed his game without having to break any promises to any one of us. Why should he not be respected and given the win over you? He played a wonderful game, made his allies, won many challenges, and got to the end. Why should he not deserve to win?

I'm not making personal attacks against anyone, so I'm not going to respond to certain portions of this.

As for why I deserve to win, I'm going to cover that in my closing argument.

I also NEVER made any final two or three deals outside of you and Marx. I don't have any problem saying that as its true. I can only have ONE final two person and ONE final three person. By doubling this you end up backstabbing someone majorly, and in doing so again you have to answer to your actions. Kalel didn't do this and managed to get himself to the finals. That's what you will never understand, and that's why you should never win.

Then you shouldn't win either by your own logic. Because you made a top 3 promise too, and you went back on it. If you're going to penalize me for not delivering on promises, then you shouldn't be rewarded in the future for not delivering on your promises, either. JewHob told me he was taking me to final 3 in the game you hosted. Guess what, he got me eliminated and didn't deliver on that promise. But, I backed him to win your game. When I got eliminated in that game, I didn't start insulting him like you are me. It's just a game and he did what he felt was best for him.

Also, how is it right to backstab someone when you don't use certain language? If you avoid discussing long term alliances the whole game, players will start suspecting you and lose loyalty. Keeping allies loyal IS part of the game. Many allies discussed long term committments to me (without me bringing it up to them first), and I avoided saying anything to many of them. Believe me, I could have accepted about 6 top 2 committments in the first couple challenges. But, I tried limiting them as much as possible and I only discussed arrangements like that with allies I felt I needed more coercing to stay loyal. Squirrel was one of these people I needed to find ways to remain loyal, while someone like Nirvana was someone I could avoid that topic with. It's all about knowing who you're allied with. JewHob, Holly, Matt, Kipobe, etc all do the same thing.

Why the **** would you deny this? Everyone knows your word means absolutely nothing now, and old and new players alike will know by your previous actions means you can never be trusted. They only have to look at these threads and see for themselves. When your closest allies, who should be your biggest support for you winning, do not believe you deserve to win than you have played a poor game.

You are held differently as you handle your game poorly, and make promises you consistently break. Don't lump me with you, and do not compare me to your style of playing as you are obviously not intelligent enough to realize the difference.

You are now as transparent as a spineless, brainless, and gutless jellyfish. I only hope future players will regard you as such and will avoid you at all cost from now on. You are a lousy player, who will never deserve to win.

I'm not getting into personal attacks and insults. I don't take the game personally (not since the last game I made finals), and if the roles were reversed, I wouldn't be insulting you like this. It's just a game.
 
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I also made promises for final 2 with Kal in 2 previous games. You didn't have to take Marx out. I didn't give you any ultimatums or threats like you did when you threatened me after Kal won the final 4 challenge.

I am not talking about other games, I am talking about this one. You made deals and broke them all.

After the final four challenge I sent you a pm as I knew what you were planning from there. You made your plan obvious in this challenge. Who goes for Asia from the start? Seriously, anyone who played Risk knows that is impossible to keep right from the start. So I suspected you of letting Kal win the last two challenges so he would pick you in the end. Instead you had something more sinister planned, and just threw me away once you are done with me just like every other player in this game.

You on the other hand were pushing every day in giving me reasons why Marx should be eliminated, and wanted him eliminated way before he was eliminated in the game. You even played the "mod using his powers" card on me, which you knew would eventually work, as well as using several other reasons. You forced me, by putting me in a position to either keep loyal to you, or try to somehow still honor both of you, which was impossible to do. I tried to do this last game and it ended in my earlier departure.

Once again, you'll either believe me or not on matters like this. I'm not going to debate the level of emotion I felt during the game.

Like I said before actions speak louder than your words ever would. You can't debate this because you can't. You had no problem in removing any one of those players when they were used up and you didn't need them anymore. Even when Marx was eliminated, who was our closest ally through this game, you didn't care one bit and said nothing.

I told people where I was voting and what vote tallies were to be fair to the other players. I didn't try to kiss anyone's ass.

Whatever, you honestly expect people to be dumb enough not to realize you are just kissing up and would step on their throats if you had the chance again.

So, had you made final 2, you shouldn't have won? Because you betrayed Marx prior to final 3, and no one should vote for you because you play a game that involves disloyalty. How is this view not hypocritical?

You obviously never read my previous post. I said that to get to the end there is a level of dishonesty that you have to do to get you there. You on the other hand not only crossed that line but pissed on it on the way by. You did things in this game that you didn't have to, but you chose to because that's what kind of player you are.

A good finalist, like Kalel, knows there is a good balance you must obtain between being dishonest and being loyal and respectful to your other players. He honored his part, and got to the finals without having to slit the throats of the jury members.

I would expect to answer to my actions just as you should. Of course I wouldn't have to ever answer to as much as would but nonetheless I would expect this. Just to simply ignore them because you say you did what you had to, is a crock, as you didn't have to do what you had to, but you did anyway.

You and Marx were not my only allies. If I didn't have you guys, I would have gone with another game plan and probably gotten far. I had a lot of options in this game. Your game, I got eliminated prior to jury thanks to JewHob.

Yes, but you would have never had as much control as you did in this game with Marx and I. You knew everything that was happening in this game when it was happening. That was the plan from the start. As such, without Marx or I you would have lost this control and I am sure your enemies would have eliminated you early like last time which I am sure was not just JH that voted you out.

Once again, I am not the first person to play this kind of strategy, and if I win, I'm not the first person to win with this kind of strategy. Many players have won by playing far harsher than I ever have.

The worst part is you didn't have to play so dirty. You had this game wrapped up with Marx and I but you instead chose to play dirty. That's the kind of player you are, and you expect to be rewarded despite having an opponent who was as much active in his game but managed to play and get to the finals without having to stab every player in the back.

I'm not making personal attacks against anyone, so I'm not going to respond to certain portions of this.

As for why I deserve to win, I'm going to cover that in my closing argument.

Heh, this should be good. "Vote for me despite the fact I backstabbed every one of you when I was done using you because.....well...I don't have a real good reason but just ignore what I have done in the game and vote for me."

Then you shouldn't win either by your own logic. Because you made a top 3 promise too, and you went back on it. If you're going to penalize me for not delivering on promises, then you shouldn't be rewarded in the future for not delivering on your promises, either. JewHob told me he was taking me to final 3 in the game you hosted. Guess what, he got me eliminated and didn't deliver on that promise. But, I backed him to win your game. When I got eliminated in that game, I didn't start insulting him like you are me. It's just a game and he did what he felt was best for him.

Like I said before, I would expect to answer to my actions as any player should. Of course I would never have to answer as much you would. I was forced into that situation by you, nonetheless, with your constant reasons on why he should be eliminated. The fact you are trying to compare me to you is in fact bad taste, considering you were the one that pushed for it. The biggest difference between you and I is that I had all the intentions to honoring my deals while you obviously don't.

Also, how is it right to backstab someone when you don't use certain language? If you avoid discussing long term alliances the whole game, players will start suspecting you and lose loyalty. Keeping allies loyal IS part of the game. Many allies discussed long term committments to me (without me bringing it up to them first), and I avoided saying anything to many of them. Believe me, I could have accepted about 6 top 2 committments in the first couple challenges. But, I tried limiting them as much as possible and I only discussed arrangements like that with allies I felt I needed more coercing to stay loyal. Squirrel was one of these people I needed to find ways to remain loyal, while someone like Nirvana was someone I could avoid that topic with. It's all about knowing who you're allied with. JewHob, Holly, Matt, Kipobe, etc all do the same thing.

Wow, limiting them. I wonder how many fake deals you actually made. Don't bother responding to that as we all know we can't take your word for it.

I was one point away from being in the finals and I didn't have to make any other deals. You don't need to make deals with every other player to get yourself to the end. Maybe you do, as everyone knows your reputation now but I am sure by now players will not make the same mistakes.

We had control of this game and knew when anything was happening. The fact that despite this you still felt you needed to make deals and break promises with so many players is actually quite shameful. You played dirty when you didn't have to, just for the fact that is how you play so you can't change.

I'm not getting into personal attacks and insults. I don't take the game personally (not since the last game I made finals), and if the roles were reversed, I wouldn't be insulting you like this. It's just a game.

You have already insulted me many times already by comparing myself to you. When you toy and dick around with players like you did, I am sure you just expect to get what you deserve. You played a game that far more dirtier than it had to be. If the roles were reversed, it would be different as you would have been next to me. I take my deals far more seriously, and there was no way around it.
 
Well, the questions have been sent to the players. The rest of the awards are coming up (with the exception of two which I am holding off on until all jurors have voted in order to avoid influencing the vote). But first, I think we'll get the closing arguments of our finalists out of the way. They'll be with you in a few moments.
 
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Alright, let's start with Kal. Here is his Closing Argument:

Kalel114 said:
Hello jury. I would like to go over my strategy and regrets with you. I will try to keep it short, because I know I will receive questions from you as well. I will also be online through out the day to answer any and all of your additional questions.

First a little bit about my strategy. To me Survivor is made up of four key things: Alliances, Deception, Challenges, and butt load of Luck. When I played my first Survivor, I went all out. I had a ton of alliances and I told a ton of lies. Unfortunately, a player named Kipobe was playing that game as well and I was booted very fast. Deception is a huge weakness for me, therefore I have to rely on the other factors I mentioned. With that in mind, I approached this game like I had the last couple of games, lie as little as possible and try to win as many challenges as I can. Sometimes it works out for me and sometimes it doesn’t, but it is the only way I play the game. Coming into this game I had already made a final 2 agreement with SF. I quickly formed a second alliance with Powder, Iron Fist, Marx, and ProjectPat when the game began. This alliance was very key in getting me to the merge. It helped me so much, especially because between the two tribes I was a part of, we only won a total of 2 challenges. I can’t thank the Black Spies Alliance enough. Each one of you are great players and are amazing allies. Alliance and Luck kicked in early for us. When we got to the Merge, I knew that I really had to step up on the Challenge part of the game. I went on to win 4 out of 8 challenges. I made it to final three and SF stuck to our agreement and chose me for final 2.

Now to one of my two biggest regrets in this game. I have already PMed all involved ahead of time, so that this is not the first time they hear it. This is something I wish I could take back more than anything, because it caused one of my allies to get cut and me to lie to one of my other trusted allies. I did know about SF using his Idol on NYS to get Pat cut. What makes it worse is that I got talked in to voting for Pat, which forced the tie. This in turn forced me to lie to Marx about it. I am so eternally sorry for it. It haunted me for the rest of the game. I wanted to come clean now, not only because I have a feeling SF will bring it up, but because Pat and Marx deserve to hear it straight from me. On to my other regret.
Marx, I regret that you got cut the way you did and that I had a role in it. As I said before, you have every right to be mad at me for voting for you, but I really felt I had no choice. If I had not voted that way, I would have put a huge target on my back. Powder and SF are very strong competitors and I did not want to give them a reason to come after me. You are a class act and an amazing ally. I apologize again for it and hope that we find ourselves as allies in future games. FYI, I found out later that Powder fought to keep you the two prior councils.

For the record, I did send a PM to Marx giving him a heads up that he was to be the one cut, not Ahura as he was lead to believe, before the results were announced. I have been railroaded before in past Councils. It sucks when you are told one thing and then all of a sudden you get voted out instead. I felt that Marx deserved the respect to be told that he was a target and not find out the hard way. I meant every word in that PM Marx.

I would like to say a few words about Powder. I hate how this all went down for you. You are an amazing player. I appreciate all of the kind words you have said about me. I respect you as a player and as a person. I hope you play in future games so we can team up again.

A few words concerning the “Cmill Incident”. Here is what I know and I hope to get some more insight on it from those involved today or after the game. I was approached by SF and he told me Marx and IF were trying to get Cmill and others to go after him. He sent me the screen cap that he got from Cmill and I got really pissed at them. I sent a PM to them to and in a round about way, hinted that I knew about it. I felt Marx was being deceitful and it got me a bit angry. Soon after, SF said that Cmill faked the pic and he was the next target at council. Cmill was cut soon after. That’s all I know on the subject.
 
That’s all I have. I hope that it is enough to convince you that I am worthy of your vote and if you need more, just ask away. I played very hard to get here without lying at every turn. I did stumble on the way and hope that I have done enough to convince those involved to forgive me. Thank you for your time and this opportunity.

Kal
 
And now, Spider-Fan, which I'm sure POWdER and Marx will enjoy calling him the biggest piece of scum on the face of the Earth over. ;)

Spider-Fan said:
The jury is supposed to pick who they feel should win the game. Not who they like more. Many of the best Survivor players use a strategy very similar to mine. JewHob and Matt both won the last two games playing a similar game to what I did in this game. Kipobe has won 3 games playing this way. Holly has won twice playing this way. Why is it right for these players to manipulate the board, backstab the majority of the players in the game, but when I use the same strategy, I am somehow judged more harshly? It is a double standard to reward these players for playing a ruthless game and to penalize me for doing so.

Marx and Powder talk of honoring alliances and are trying to say my method of play is somehow wrong. Powder was going to choose me for final 2 because he wanted to go to final 2 with someone had blood on their hands so he could get the jury votes for being the lesser of two evils. Powder betrayed Marx. He made that final 3 commitment. He didn't have to vote Marx out, but he did, and when does he apologize? Right after he finds out I selected Kal. Powder is just as much a backstabber as me, no matter what he says. He doesn't honor promises, yet had he made final 2, he would have told you how his methods are not wrong. How he deserves to win and be rewarded for playing the best game. The only reason he is condemning me is because he got burned. It doesn't matter to him if he burns you. When it is him betraying you, it is not wrong. Yet, he is going to condemn me for backstabbing and having no honor? His entire argument is hypocritical. Marx is also, don't be fooled. He didn't have to vote for Iron Fist when I asked, but he did. He has also avoided me asking what he would have done had he been at final 4 with me, IF, and Pat. The reason he doesn't want to answer and dodges that point is because he is a hypocrit. In this situation, he would be betraying an ally, yet for some reason, it isn't wrong of him to do so. Am I the only one who sees through this hypocracy?

Powder had said to me many times he felt Kal was “too innocent” to lose. Kal is my greatest ally I ever had in Survivor. He is my Survivor best friend, and this is why I chose him to make final 2. However, what makes Kal innocent and me guilty? When we hit individual rounds, Kal voted where I wanted him to and he knew EVERYTHINGI was doing. He knew I was using my idol on Pat. He knew several rounds in advance I wanted to go for Marx (and was ready to place that vote in the rounds before the round Marx got voted out). I hid nothing from Kal. How can the man who voted with me be “innocent?”

Winning individual challenges keeps you immune for a day, but manipulating council keeps you immune for the game. By keeping track of who was allied with who and knowing where to attack other players, I was able to not only make the finals, but also not have 1 council vote put in against me since the very first challenge of the game. I didn't need to win challenges in order to obtain immunity.

In order to manipulate votes, I allied with my prime potential competition (Powder and Marx) and allied with my regular allies. I didn't have to get involved in the councils where my tribe didn't win because they eliminated mostly players I had no allegiance to. So I really couldn't lose no matter what they did. However, in councils I was involved in, I swayed votes where I needed them to go. When we got to the individual portion of the game, I dictated the voting more than any other player. The closest I came to losing my advantage was Pat's round. After TEDDY got voted out, Powder was on vacation, so Marx had a chance to get temporary numbers by taking out NYS. So I got Kal and NYS to vote for Pat and I used my idol on NYS. Ahura didn't vote in that council (likely wasn't online). By winning that round, I kept my options open.

I may focus on council in my game play, but I try my best on challenges, too. I was one of the biggest contributors on both tribes I was in during the game, and my tribe only lost the challenge twice. Out of ALL the tribe challenges. Plus, I won the individual challenge that was held during tribe portion of the game. I also made sure I won the License to Kill in order to keep jury numbers. Just before jury, Marx and Powder wanted TEDDY. Both also were close to hippie hunter. As long as hippie hunter was in the game, I had less power. So, I used it on him in order to bring back Bnight so I could buy TEDDY 1 more round and help him make jury. By winning the challenges I won, I dictated who made the jury more than ANY player in the game.

The hardest part of playing this kind of strategy is knowing when to pick your battles. When you disagree with close allies, it can get messy. You have to walk a fine line and know you have the votes in your favor if your going to make a move. I bought TEDDY a round with the LTK, but had I fought to keep him in longer, I would have started bringing unwanted attention to myself. Plus, Marx had IF and Pat, and Powder was for TEDDY's elimination too. Doing something then would have been very risky. However, in the next round when Marx wanted IF, I knew I couldn't let that happen. At that point, I had to fight the battle in order to keep ahead of the pack.

Only 2 players can make it to the end of the game. If you have more than 1 ally in the game, eventually you will have to make a tough decision and backstab someone. That is the nature of Survivor. To penalize me SOLELY for backstabbing you is hypocritical because you would be making excuses for it if you had made final 2. If you have to find reasons NOT to vote for me, then you shouldn't vote against me. You should vote FOR me. That is a sign that you feel I should win the game.

Survivor is won and lost in the politics game. Yes, Kal won the most individual challenges in this game, but I was immune just as many times as he was and I had a much larger impact on the councils in the game. If the measure of Survivor is how well they performed in challenges AND set themselves up in alliances and kept the flow of the game in their control, then I was the best player. I have done everything in Survivor I can possibly do. I have made final 3 for the 3rd time, I have been on the jury 2 times, I have come in 2nd place, I have judged, I have hosted. The only thing I have yet to do in Survivor is finish in 1st place. So, I ask that the jury please vote for me to win the game!

I thank the jury for their time in reading my argument and look forward to the final decision. Also, best of luck to Kal, aka Sundance :)
 
The next award goes to one of the unsung heroes of this game. Without these people, many challenges would not be possible. They accept ridicule and hatred (usually from POWdER) to fulfill this task and get nothing in return. They are the judges! And this judge stood out this game, helping us out three or four times if I remember correctly. Therefore, the Golden Gavel Award for Excellence in the Field of Judging goes to....

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ANDTHEPICKLES!
 
The next award is for a player who exceeds in the art of betrayal and backstabbing. They are underhanded, they are conniving. They manipulate, they lie. They will do whatever it takes to win. In other words, they understand this game perfectly.

The Snake in the Grass Award and it goes to....

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CMILL!

Now I know a lot of you think it should've been SF, but Cmill was a new player who did something that inspired both Hunter and myself. Early in the game, when he sensed his end was near, he created a fake PM that caused confusion and chaos and nearly got another player (Marx, if I remember correctly) booted in his place. It ultimately did not work, but it did affect the game and create doubt which lasted all the way to Marx's vote out. It was a brilliant and risky move by a new player that showed initiative and cunning while also being underhanded and manipulative, so we felt that it deserved to be rewarded!
 
The final award for now, goes to the game's best rookie. This has been an unofficial award for some time. Each game there is always that one rookie who stands out and is congratulated for it. Last game it was Kane who made it to the final 5 and really allowed there to be no question as to who the dominant rookie was. This time around there were two possibilities. And while ProjectPat was an outstanding rookie, another player was just a bit better.

Thus, the Rookie of the Year Award goes to:

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IRON FIST!
 
I will only talk about things that involve me, and then I amd one with this.

The jury is supposed to pick who they feel should win the game. Not who they like more. Many of the best Survivor players use a strategy very similar to mine. JewHob and Matt both won the last two games playing a similar game to what I did in this game. Kipobe has won 3 games playing this way. Holly has won twice playing this way. Why is it right for these players to manipulate the board, backstab the majority of the players in the game, but when I use the same strategy, I am somehow judged more harshly? It is a double standard to reward these players for playing a ruthless game and to penalize me for doing so.

No one will be voting based on who they like better, they WILL be voting who they feel played the better game. A game that allows the winner to deserve to win. The fact that you disrespect Kalel like that is...well its not surprising by you.

I am sure Matt would be surprised by this comment but he actually didn't play that bad of a game besides the whole Mod Power thing. Which is something entirely different. He only went for JH after the CC pm, and he went after me after the retaliation to JH's departure. Besides that he held true to the people he was aligned with, which you can imagine is hard for me to say but is actually true.

As for JH backstabbing you, well you probably deserved it, and your reputation precedes you so there would be reason why to question it. So I wouldn't hold anything against him. Plus he is obviously a much better player on how he handled the vote-outs and who he brought to the jury, and as such deserved to win.

As for the other players, I can't speak for their games as I didn't play in them but there are obviously many circumstances and variables that are left out in this statement, especially considering you never played in some of those games as well.

Marx and Powder talk of honoring alliances and are trying to say my method of play is somehow wrong. Powder was going to choose me for final 2 because he wanted to go to final 2 with someone had blood on their hands so he could get the jury votes for being the lesser of two evils.

No, I wanted to go to the finals on who I promised that too, from before this game even started. I never made any promise to Ahura, Kalel, IF, Pat, NYS, TEDDY or anyone else. If you felt I would have more sympathy in the finals than you, then that is just you coming up with a reason to defend your decision and possibly a quilty concience for what you have done to the other players.

Powder betrayed Marx. He made that final 3 commitment. He didn't have to vote Marx out, but he did, and when does he apologize? Right after he finds out I selected Kal. Powder is just as much a backstabber as me, no matter what he says. He doesn't honor promises, yet had he made final 2, he would have told you how his methods are not wrong. How he deserves to win and be rewarded for playing the best game. The only reason he is condemning me is because he got burned. It doesn't matter to him if he burns you. When it is him betraying you, it is not wrong. Yet, he is going to condemn me for backstabbing and having no honor? His entire argument is hypocritical. Marx is also, don't be fooled. He didn't have to vote for Iron Fist when I asked, but he did. He has also avoided me asking what he would have done had he been at final 4 with me, IF, and Pat. The reason he doesn't want to answer and dodges that point is because he is a hypocrit. In this situation, he would be betraying an ally, yet for some reason, it isn't wrong of him to do so. Am I the only one who sees through this hypocracy?

Wow, are you goig to give any reason why you should win, or are just going to attack me in your closing argument. I think you are confused, I am NOT in the finals, Kal is. There is so much b******t in this speech I can't even breathe from the stink.

I wasn't the one pming you every day about voting MArx out. I wasn't the one providing reasons on why he can't be trusted, including the whole using mod power thing which carried from the previous game. I wasn't the one pushing the separation of our deal with him.

However, I was the one who pleaded and talked you out of voting him in two different occasions. I was also the one who had to be convinced by you after many attempts. I was the one trying to keep our deal together. I was the one stuck between being loyal to the person I made a final two deal with or who I made a final three deal with. And I was the one that was obviously upset after his vote.

As for IF, are you forgetful, or are you just being conveniently forgetful. IF was tossed around by you before he was actually voted out. It was only after he was the only person not to do a challenge, we felt we had to be loyal to the remaining allies in the game. Hmm....its like you will say anything to get the attention off you.

Powder had said to me many times he felt Kal was “too innocent” to lose. Kal is my greatest ally I ever had in Survivor. He is my Survivor best friend, and this is why I chose him to make final 2. However, what makes Kal innocent and me guilty? When we hit individual rounds, Kal voted where I wanted him to and he knew EVERYTHINGI was doing. He knew I was using my idol on Pat. He knew several rounds in advance I wanted to go for Marx (and was ready to place that vote in the rounds before the round Marx got voted out). I hid nothing from Kal. How can the man who voted with me be “innocent?”

Umm more lies. I only said ONCE that kal would be impossible for you to beat as he didn't have do what you did. I did not say that he was innocent or more likeable that you seem to like to throw words in my mouth. But again, that's what you are good at right? Making up a bunch of words, and say anything to get what you want. Plus that was after you obviously threw the previous challenge in favor for him. I knew you were going to betray me in the end and I warned you in betraying me like you did everyone else.

Plus you seem to forget, kal didn't make promises to me, Marx, or anyone else in this game like you did. Its funny you say things like it should be a shock, but in fact you didn't know Kal let Marx know that he was being voted out. The guy is a far more loyal player, and I only wish I brought him instead of you.

Kal is not innocent and he did get his hands dirty. But when looking at the bigger picture, he didn't have to do what you did to get himself to the end. He got himself there. His name never came up once between marx or I because he was a loyal ally to everyone.

In order to manipulate votes, I allied with my prime potential competition (Powder and Marx) and allied with my regular allies. I didn't have to get involved in the councils where my tribe didn't win because they eliminated mostly players I had no allegiance to. So I really couldn't lose no matter what they did. However, in councils I was involved in, I swayed votes where I needed them to go. When we got to the individual portion of the game, I dictated the voting more than any other player. The closest I came to losing my advantage was Pat's round. After TEDDY got voted out, Powder was on vacation, so Marx had a chance to get temporary numbers by taking out NYS. So I got Kal and NYS to vote for Pat and I used my idol on NYS. Ahura didn't vote in that council (likely wasn't online). By winning that round, I kept my options open.

You make it sound like you managed this whole game all by yourself. We found each other way before this game even started, and we brought in Marx before he even committed to playing the game. So you then made deals with us, and then turned around and made deals with everyone and their mother. Which is something neither Marx or I did. You only made it far in this game because you relied on the word that marx and I held in our deal since you knew we were more honorable players than you and would honor our end of the deal. Without us, you wouldn't have any where near as control in this game. You make it sound like you are some mastermind planner, when in reality you are just a snake who lied his way and broke promises throughout this game to get himself to the end. That is all, nothing more, nothing...well maybe less.

Kalel was well connected in this game as well. His name was safe throughout this game and was never brought up in a possible vote out. (Correct me if I am wrong Kalel but I don't think you received one vote.) Yeah he won a bunch of challenges but he made himself safe in this whole game by his connections, and he didn't have to promise everything to get there. He was never on your team, and he made it to the jury on his own.

Okay I have enough of this and wasted enough time. I have said my peace and only hope the right and most deserving player wins.

But if my name comes up again, I promise I will be back.
 
The other post is mostly insults, so I'm going to focus on the reply to my argument:

I will only talk about things that involve me,
No one will be voting based on who they like better, they WILL be voting who they feel played the better game. A game that allows the winner to deserve to win. The fact that you disrespect Kalel like that is...well its not surprising by you.

I'm not disrespecting Kal IN THE LEAST by saying players should vote for who played best game. If they honestly feel Kal played best game, vote for Kal. My point is if you feel I had a larger impact on the game and are just voting out of me due to bitterness, then you shouldn't. How is that disrespectful? But, at this point, me saying the sky is blue is disrespectful to you.

I am sure Matt would be surprised by this comment but he actually didn't play that bad of a game besides the whole Mod Power thing. Which is something entirely different. He only went for JH after the CC pm, and he went after me after the retaliation to JH's departure. Besides that he held true to the people he was aligned with, which you can imagine is hard for me to say but is actually true.

When did I say Matt played a BAD game? I said he played a similar game, and he even admitted so in the previous thread! That is from the man himself!

As for JH backstabbing you, well you probably deserved it, and your reputation precedes you so there would be reason why to question it. So I wouldn't hold anything against him. Plus he is obviously a much better player on how he handled the vote-outs and who he brought to the jury, and as such deserved to win.

In other words, people can screw others they make top 3 committments to. But not me. Once again, your hypocracy is showing.

As for the other players, I can't speak for their games as I didn't play in them but there are obviously many circumstances and variables that are left out in this statement, especially considering you never played in some of those games as well.

I have played with Holly. Twice. She is FAR more evil than I ever was. FAR. She played with Kipobe. She says he was way more evil than her. So, I am not wrong. Plus, JewHob has told me stories of things Kipobe did. He had top 4-5 deals with just about everyone. Yet, he got rewared with 3 games.

No, I wanted to go to the finals on who I promised that too, from before this game even started. I never made any promise to Ahura, Kalel, IF, Pat, NYS, TEDDY or anyone else. If you felt I would have more sympathy in the finals than you, then that is just you coming up with a reason to defend your decision and possibly a quilty concience for what you have done to the other players.

When did I say I FELT you had more sympathy? Now, who's putting words in people's mouths. What I SAID was it was your strategy. And you did use those words to me.

I wasn't the one pming you every day about voting MArx out. I wasn't the one providing reasons on why he can't be trusted, including the whole using mod power thing which carried from the previous game. I wasn't the one pushing the separation of our deal with him.

However, I was the one who pleaded and talked you out of voting him in two different occasions. I was also the one who had to be convinced by you after many attempts. I was the one trying to keep our deal together. I was the one stuck between being loyal to the person I made a final two deal with or who I made a final three deal with. And I was the one that was obviously upset after his vote.

If you truly wanted to keep Marx to final 3, you could have voted Ahura like you told him you were. Yes, I made the push, but I never threatened to oust you or anything like that. I just made my case.

As for IF, are you forgetful, or are you just being conveniently forgetful. IF was tossed around by you before he was actually voted out. It was only after he was the only person not to do a challenge, we felt we had to be loyal to the remaining allies in the game. Hmm....its like you will say anything to get the attention off you.

You got this wrong. I wanted Marx. You said why don't we go IF instead. This was prior to the start of that day, and then Marx sent a PM saying he wanted Ahura but would understand why we'd go IF since he didn't participate in the challenge. Then, since we had discussed it, I went with it. I may have responded to Marx 1st, but this was discussed before that. So, you're 100% lying on this one.

Umm more lies. I only said ONCE that kal would be impossible for you to beat as he didn't have do what you did. I did not say that he was innocent or more likeable that you seem to like to throw words in my mouth. But again, that's what you are good at right? Making up a bunch of words, and say anything to get what you want. Plus that was after you obviously threw the previous challenge in favor for him. I knew you were going to betray me in the end and I warned you in betraying me like you did everyone else.

Actually, that PM was a reason I ended up betraying you. You threatened me, and that is not the sign of a worthy ally. Never once did Kal ever threaten me. Thus, not choosing him would have been dishonorable.

Kal is not innocent and he did get his hands dirty. But when looking at the bigger picture, he didn't have to do what you did to get himself to the end. He got himself there. His name never came up once between marx or I because he was a loyal ally to everyone.

Kal played a great game. Never have I denied that, nor would I disrespect him like that. I have all the respect in the world for Kal :supes:

You make it sound like you managed this whole game all by yourself. We found each other way before this game even started, and we brought in Marx before he even committed to playing the game. So you then made deals with us, and then turned around and made deals with everyone and their mother. Which is something neither Marx or I did. You only made it far in this game because you relied on the word that marx and I held in our deal since you knew we were more honorable players than you and would honor our end of the deal. Without us, you wouldn't have any where near as control in this game. You make it sound like you are some mastermind planner, when in reality you are just a snake who lied his way and broke promises throughout this game to get himself to the end. That is all, nothing more, nothing...well maybe less.

I could have turned on at least Marx in the Cmill round. Had I done that, I would still have made jury and been in the mix to win. I didn't have to depend on anyone. I had options. I'm not saying I made every choice in the game. I did give myself the most options in advancing.

Kalel was well connected in this game as well. His name was safe throughout this game and was never brought up in a possible vote out. (Correct me if I am wrong Kalel but I don't think you received one vote.) Yeah he won a bunch of challenges but he made himself safe in this whole game by his connections, and he didn't have to promise everything to get there. He was never on your team, and he made it to the jury on his own.

Again, Kal played a great game. When did I say he didn't? He earned his spot here, and we worked as a great team. He's a great ally, and this is why I picked him. If I hadn't picked Kal, I would have regretted it forever. I feel it would have made me completely dishonorable.

Win or lose, I am glad I picked Kal.

Okay I have enough of this and wasted enough time. I have said my peace and only hope the right and most deserving player wins.

But if my name comes up again, I promise I will be back.

I'm pretty much done with this debate, too. We can go on for days.
 

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