Comics I am enraged (Feel free to merge this)

[Chris Wallace]

It's not bad enough they've got Spidey rolling over & selling out, but nobodies like Prodigy, Patriot & Speedball standing their ground?!? Speedball is in prison, getting beaten & tortured, but still he stands his ground. Spidey's asked to just unmask in public, & does it with no problem?

 

[JackBauer]

he's been a little b!tch for months now. nothing really new.

 

[Chris Wallace]

My point is, he's being a little b*tch while lesser heroes are standing up & being the heroes he's supposed to be!

 

[shinlyle]

I was enraged for awhile, now I'm indifferent to it all. The Spider-Man I know is dead, and has been for awhile.

Until people stop complaining and stop buying whatever Marvel publishes, nothing will change. And since no one wants to drop ASM for fear of "missing an issue from their collection", that'll never happen.

I don't read ASm or FNSM, so at least I know that's 6 bucks of mine that Marvel doesn't get every month.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

My point is, he's being a little b*tch while lesser heroes are standing up & being the heroes he's supposed to be!

Perhaps Peter feels that violently resisting the government is hardly "heroic"...

Captain America could have had his day in court, but instead decided to resist arrest and to assault no less than three dozen Federal agents....Unfortunately by the laws of the land, he's now a criminal.

 

[Gregatron]

I was enraged for awhile, now I'm indifferent to it all. The Spider-Man I know is dead, and has been for awhile.

Until people stop complaining and stop buying whatever Marvel publishes, nothing will change. And since no one wants to drop ASM for fear of "missing an issue from their collection", that'll never happen.

I don't read ASm or FNSM, so at least I know that's 6 bucks of mine that Marvel doesn't get every month.

The madness that plagues the industry and the fanbase is deeply rooted now.

Before, one bought a comic when it suited them, and if it was a good story, good. If it was bad, bad. The character remained the same, and if a reader got bored, they moved on to something else.

Today, the addicts rule. They must buy every issue of every title, even if they loathe the stories. Many just buy-bag-board without even reading, like robots in an assembly line.

Remember the days when people bought and read comics because they liked the stories and liked the characters?

 

[ragingdemon155]

It's not bad enough they've got Spidey rolling over & selling out, but nobodies like Prodigy, Patriot & Speedball standing their ground?!? Speedball is in prison, getting beaten & tortured, but still he stands his ground. Spidey's asked to just unmask in public, & does it with no problem?

That's been my main problem.

Peter Parker has really sold out his beliefs during this period. I've mentioned this before over and over but Peter would never risk MJ and Aunt May the way he has now. Revealing his identity is like telling his villains "Come over and kill my family". But whatever.

The Superhero with the most "heart" has pretty much shown no fight at all and just going along with anything his "Boss" tells him.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I am ONLY sticking around b/c I want to see the outcome of Civil War. But I do not like what's been done thus far.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I am ONLY sticking around b/c I want to see the outcome of Civil War. But I do not like what's been done thus far.

Same here.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's been my main problem.

Peter Parker has really sold out his beliefs during this period. I've mentioned this before over and over but Peter would never risk MJ and Aunt May the way he has now. Revealing his identity is like telling his villains "Come over and kill my family". But whatever.

The Superhero with the most "heart" has pretty much shown no fight at all and just going along with anything his "Boss" tells him.

Once again, Marvel has forgotten what made Spider-Man such a big hit in the first place.

 

[shinlyle]

The madness that plagues the industry and the fanbase is deeply rooted now.

Before, one bought a comic when it suited them, and if it was a good story, good. If it was bad, bad. The character remained the same, and if a reader got bored, they moved on to something else.

Today, the addicts rule. They must buy every issue of every title, even if they loathe the stories. Many just buy-bag-board without even reading, like robots in an assembly line.

Remember the days when people bought and read comics because they liked the stories and liked the characters?

Dude....I feel your pain.

I remember when I first really got into collecting. I bought three books....Amazing Spider-Man #350 and Spider-Man 13 & 14. They were cool issues (to me, at the time). I read them all the time. Even as I got more and more comics, I loved to go back and read those comics. The spines got worn, and the covers started to tear from the books, as the creases were folded and unfolded. I bought new copies later on, but I still read these.

Many of my old comics, while intensely cared for, sufferef this same fate. I read them until they fell apart. The point is, I READ them.

I now work on my own book, and I still collect comics. I have never bought one that I didn't read. It's stupid, and too many good men work too DAMN hard on these books for you not to open them up and give them a whirl.

Conversely, if these people read half of what they had bagged and boarded, they'd probably go insane at how much money they've invested into utter CRAP like Sins Past, Sins Remembered, The Other, That Time travelling Hobgoblin crap from FNSM, whatever. They claim to be into comics, but I'll bet they've never been so caught up in reading a comic that they yelled "DAMN" while reading a comic that totally blew their mind! (3 comics do that to me every month: Punisher MAX, Daredevil, and Ultimates 2)

It's a shame, really. I'd hate to know that my comic, Tribulations, was purchased by some kid just so he could put the damn thing on ebay in a couple of years. I'd rather have someone read the book, get into it, and get others into it....that should be how this industry works.
Sadly, it isn't.
So many people buy comics thinking of them as an "investment" or a "collection" that they forget that they are a form of artwork. Yes. Artwork.

How can you buy a book drawn by Bryan Hitch and not want to look at those gorgeous splash pages?! How can you buy a Watchmen Slipcase Hardcover and not want to read what is hailed as the "greatest comic of all time"? How can you buy "Wanted" and not want to see why I praise that book all day long?!

Buying a book and not reading it is one step shy of what Hitler did by burning them, in my honest opinion. It's a good thing Moses wasn't a collector! The 10 Commandments would still be in a fire-proof safe where no one could see them.

I'm ranting. My point being, collectors don't help anything...they simply perpetuate the illusion of a steady market.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Perhaps Peter feels that violently resisting the government is hardly "heroic"...

Captain America could have had his day in court, but instead decided to resist arrest and to assault no less than three dozen Federal agents....Unfortunately by the laws of the land, he's now a criminal.

1-Spidey has defied authority for years; it's part of his appeal. Why stop now?
2-Cap stands for freedom. He sees the Registration Act as an infringement on those freedoms, so he opposes it. He's Captain America, not Captain Government. And there would've been no day in court; once they set this in motion, they were not at all interested in what the costume community had to say.

 

[Gregatron]

Politics and registration acts have no place in superhero comics, and that's the rock-bottom truth of it.

It is merely "relevant" and "realistic" garbage designed to be praised as being "revolutionary".

 

[Themanofbat]

1-Spidey has defied authority for years; it's part of his appeal. Why stop now?
2-Cap stands for freedom. He sees the Registration Act as an infringement on those freedoms, so he opposes it. He's Captain America, not Captain Government. And there would've been no day in court; once they set this in motion, they were not at all interested in what the costume community had to say.

Peter was under a LOT of pressure to unmask by his friend and comrade Tony. He relunctantly did it despite his misgivings because his wife, his aunt & an old friend told him it was the right thing to do. Peter Parker is not the first person, fiction or otherwise, to make a rash decision under pressure nor will he be the last.

And despite all the hatred from the so-called "real Spider-Man fans", the real Spider-Man is in these books and he's made a decision that he was convinced was the right thing to do. And it's in my opinion, as it's being hinted at all over the internet, that Peter will see the error of his ways and change sides.

That doesn't mean that he's been acting "out of character"... since when is making mistakes "out of character"????

Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same comics...

 

[Gregatron]

Peter was under a LOT of pressure to unmask by his friend and comrade Tony. He relunctantly did it despite his misgivings because his wife, his aunt & an old friend told him it was the right thing to do. Peter Parker is not the first person, fiction or otherwise, to make a rash decision under pressure nor will he be the last.

And despite all the hatred from the so-called "real Spider-Man fans", the real Spider-Man is in these books and he's made a decision that he was convinced was the right thing to do. And it's in my opinion, as it's being hinted at all over the internet, that Peter will see the error of his ways and change sides.

That doesn't mean that he's been acting "out of character"... since when is making mistakes "out of character"????

Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same comics...

Some people have been reading the wrong comics for so long they don't know what IS "in-character" for Spider-Man.

The guy calling himself Peter Parker these days is a total stranger in every conceivable way, from his speech patterns to his morality to his intelligence to his behavior.

Once, he was the most specifically-defined and in-character character in superhero comics. Now he is a stranger.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Peter was under a LOT of pressure to unmask by his friend and comrade Tony. He relunctantly did it despite his misgivings because his wife, his aunt & an old friend told him it was the right thing to do. Peter Parker is not the first person, fiction or otherwise, to make a rash decision under pressure nor will he be the last.

And despite all the hatred from the so-called "real Spider-Man fans", the real Spider-Man is in these books and he's made a decision that he was convinced was the right thing to do. And it's in my opinion, as it's being hinted at all over the internet, that Peter will see the error of his ways and change sides.

That doesn't mean that he's been acting "out of character"... since when is making mistakes "out of character"????

Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same comics...

Heh, dude, i swear to God i was reading some of these posts and thinking the EXACT same thing!

I think that some folks have gotten so used to complaining (and admitedly; the last few years that was probably justified) that they're not quite sure how to react otherwise.

It's all subjective, of course. All i can do is speak for myself and i think ASM and Sensational have been stellar lately, as have MANY of Marvel's books, and Civil War may well be the most riveting mini series ive read from Marvel since the original Secret Wars...

My opinion, of course.

 

[Dragon]

Perhaps Peter feels that violently resisting the government is hardly "heroic"...

Captain America could have had his day in court, but instead decided to resist arrest and to assault no less than three dozen Federal agents....Unfortunately by the laws of the land, he's now a criminal.

But then, Peter certainly fought off the cops when he was wanted for questioning in Gwen and Norman Osborn's death. And Peter has always been ready to fight authority he believed corrupt. That is until he became Ironman's sidekick/comic relief.

 

[Themanofbat]

Politics and registration acts have no place in superhero comics, and that's the rock-bottom truth of it.

It is merely "relevant" and "realistic" garbage designed to be praised as being "revolutionary".

If you feel that new ideas, be them good or bad ideas, but at least "new" ideas, have no place in comics, then by all means, by a bunch of Essentials and re-read the same old stories over and over again.

Ive not been a big fan with some of the events in the Spidey-Books over the last few years, but at least someone wants to try something different.

If things were to remain the same, we'd still be reading about a Flash named Jay Garrett, a Robin still teenaged by the name of Dick Grayson, a Batman who's married to Selina Kyle, a Sue & Reed Richards with no children, an X-Men team with no Wolverine, a living Gwen Stacy, no Venom (no symbiote suit), etc...

This Civil War idea is a pretty good one because it pits long-time friends against one another where I hope that the ripples keep going for a long time afterwards. The Marvel Universe has always been about growth and change. Sure, we've praised some change, like the death of Gwen Stacy, Venom, etc... but when bad changes occur, we cry foul and say stupid things like the aforementioned "<fill in the blank, ad nauseum> have no place in superhero comics, and that's the rock-bottom truth of it."

I'm sorry to tell you that Marvel comics are about change. Does that mean you can liek all of them, or that I will like all of them? Of course not.

I hated the fact that Spidey got a black symbiote costume in 1984. But did I boycott comics? No. Do I like the current direction in the Spidey books as of late? Not overwhelmingly. But I can see the pressure that Peter was facing when his friends and loved ones were telling him it was the right thing to do and that it was ok, and I can understand why he chose to unmask himself... he's never had the reasssurance of Aunt May on any of his super-hero decisions, and when she gave him her blessings, it was probably a tremendous weight lifted off his shoulders... and that m'boy, was great and proper use of character development.

However, I can't tell you what to like and dislike in your comics. As I've stated prior, if you want to read stuff that you're familiar with, there are plenty of back issues and reprint material that can satiate your need with familiarity. But I've read all those books before... some I love, some not so much... but I want to see where the story moves onward.

Cheers...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

But then, Peter certainly fought off the cops when he was wanted for questioning in Gwen and Norman Osborn's death. And Peter has always been ready to fight authority he believed corrupt. That is until he became Ironman's sidekick/comic relief.

Yes he did. And then he was a wanted man, just like Cap currently is.

Apparently, Peter doesnt feel the current authority is corrupt. Yet.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Peter was under a LOT of pressure to unmask by his friend and comrade Tony. He relunctantly did it despite his misgivings because his wife, his aunt & an old friend told him it was the right thing to do. Peter Parker is not the first person, fiction or otherwise, to make a rash decision under pressure nor will he be the last.

And despite all the hatred from the so-called "real Spider-Man fans", the real Spider-Man is in these books and he's made a decision that he was convinced was the right thing to do. And it's in my opinion, as it's being hinted at all over the internet, that Peter will see the error of his ways and change sides.

That doesn't mean that he's been acting "out of character"... since when is making mistakes "out of character"????

Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same comics...

I guess my memory is too long. I haven't forgotten Gwen, baby May, & Flash Thompson-all of whom became casualties because of ONE person learning Spider-Man's identity. I haven't forgotten what happened to Aunt May, because that same person set events in motion to torture Spider-Man by targeting those whom he loves. I haven't forgotten how he tried to destroy Peter's life by making him think he was a clone, giving him another loved one to lose in battle.
I also remember how the one consistent thing about the Avengers is that their lineup isn't. He can't expect to stay in Avengers Tower forever. And then what? Who'll hire him? Where will he live? Surely a person who's outsmarted Doc Ock on numerous occasions would think about something like that.
I also remember that the reason I got into Spider-Man is because he was somebody who i identified with, who had cool powers & was trying to balance the heroics w/a normal life. And he would never just throw away any hope of having normalcy in his life.

 

[Themanofbat]

But then, Peter certainly fought off the cops when he was wanted for questioning in Gwen and Norman Osborn's death. And Peter has always been ready to fight authority he believed corrupt. That is until he became Ironman's sidekick/comic relief.

Why would Peter believe that Tony is corrupt?

He's an old friend and ally, and as seen in recent issues, Peter certainly doesn't think of himself as a sidekick, nor should we have ever believed that.

I certainly don't have the strength to try and convince any of you to like what's in the books, as I myself have been having a hard time with some of it.

But if we examine how it came to be that he reluctantly chose to reveal himself, it makes a lot of sense.

But then again, some people like to scream "Foul!!!" before actually thinking about it for a moment.

And for the record Dragon, that last line wasn't directed at you, for I know that you're pretty good with your Spidey stuff, and I can't expect you to like everything in a Spider-Man book, just like I can't either. I just didn't want you to take it the wrong way.

Cheers...

 

[Dragon]

Peter was under a LOT of pressure to unmask by his friend and comrade Tony. He relunctantly did it despite his misgivings because his wife, his aunt & an old friend told him it was the right thing to do. Peter Parker is not the first person, fiction or otherwise, to make a rash decision under pressure nor will he be the last.

And despite all the hatred from the so-called "real Spider-Man fans", the real Spider-Man is in these books and he's made a decision that he was convinced was the right thing to do. And it's in my opinion, as it's being hinted at all over the internet, that Peter will see the error of his ways and change sides.

That doesn't mean that he's been acting "out of character"... since when is making mistakes "out of character"????

Sometimes I wonder if we're all reading the same comics...

Making THAT mistake is WAY out of character. From day one, he's been obsessed with hiding his identity. He's hidden it from people he knew he could trust, like Gwen and Captain Stacy. He never even revealed to MJ. It happened by accident. And he knows the danger in revealing himself. He's got far too huge an enemies list to take such a thing for granted. Hell, look at all he's been through over the years simply because ONE villain knew his secret. Now he's going to take his chances with the entire world?

And I'm sorry, but May and MJ written in character would never go for this. Again, they know not only the danger to themselves, but to Peter and life as they know it by Peter revealing his secret. And what about the danger to people who have no say in this? The children at the school he teaches at? his colleagues at the Bugle and every friend he has. Yes, Peter makes mistakes. But Peter is not- I repeat- IS NOT THIS STUPID. Based on what we're given here, Peter was more mature and intelligent as a teenager than he is now.

And this is made even worse by the fact that we know he's going to turn-around. That means all the evidence was right in front of him and he didn't even bother to look it through carefully. This is life and death- many lives at stake, and yet he took it far too lightly.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's a sad, sad day when Dragon & I are in full agreement.

 

[Themanofbat]

I also remember how the one consistent thing about the Avengers is that their lineup isn't. He can't expect to stay in Avengers Tower forever. And then what? Who'll hire him? Where will he live? Surely a person who's outsmarted Doc Ock on numerous occasions would think about something like that.

Peter was under a lot of pressure, and Tony wasn't exactly giving him any breathing room to think about it, knowing how important it was to have such an everyman super-hero like Spidey on the Pro-Side. And it didn't help, as I've stated in another post, to have Aunt May, his only living relative whom he loves so much, give him her blessings. Think about all the guilt he's carried over the years about his tragedies because he's Spider-Man... and he could never confide any of that with teh one person on the planet who he loves so much... to hear HER utter those words of blessings must have been such an overwhelming weight removed from his shoulders, and maybe the feeling of how "right" it was to hear those words made him lose track of reality. As I've said before, people who live life of tragedies have a harder time dealing with tremendous "feel good" moments like Aunt May's blessing to Peter. He's not thinking how many times he's outsmarted Doc OCk, he's not thinking where they'll live in 30 years, he's just thinking "After a decade of guilt and hiding, my loving Aunt May has told me it's ok and do the right thing". And even after he does it, he's still having lingering misgivings... as the Peter Parker we've all come to know all the years would.

I also remember that the reason I got into Spider-Man is because he was somebody who i identified with, who had cool powers & was trying to balance the heroics w/a normal life. And he would never just throw away any hope of having normalcy in his life.

He's still a cool guy with cool powers. He still tries to balance a normal life with one of heroic duties. He also made a rash decision, in my opinion, and now we get to see how he deals with it.

 

[Gregatron]

The Peter Parker of today's comics is a strong candidate to win the coveted Golden Helmet at the 'Tardie awards this year (with Quesada and co. serving as competition).

For those who don't know, the 'Tardie Awards (my own invention) are held for "Outstanding excellence in the field of mental ******ation and overachieving stupidity", and the Golden Helmet is the top prize.


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