Comics I am enraged (Feel free to merge this)

[JackBauer]

Like the Byrne/Mackie era?

for starters. notice how even The Other is slowly starting to fade away...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well-he has stopped using those ridiculous stingers, & relying on the suit for vision enhancement.

 

[Captivated]

I know that this thread isn't directly about CW, but it is a hot button here. That said, I'm surprised no one has responded to this post.

14K london spider raises some very interesting points. What about those people who, for whatever reason, choose not to be heroes day in and day out. Maybe their powers are marginal. Maybe they're up in age, or very young. Maybe they're generally indifferent! Should this powered person be forced to 'join the marines' if he's suddently thrust into a situation that makes him want to take action? Or that forces him to take action? Suppose he's being mugged? Under the SHRA, if he's not registered, will they put him in the paddy wagon along with the mugger? There are two sides to this issue but they're not being explored equally.

Maybe this has already been discussed to hash over in the CW thread.

I don't think registration would apply to those types... nor should they be punished for coming to someones aid, if an emergency crossed their path.

Any citizen can legally pull someone from a burning building without being a fireman... or defend their home from a theif, without being a cop... In fact there are Good Samaritan laws to protect those who try to help others.

Does the Act say that ANYONE who is considered "superpowered" HAS to register, just because they are superpowered? There is much that is pretty vauge about all this.

I compared the SHRA -- giving Superpowered individuals guidlines, training, and some accountablity -- to the safeguards we have with police and the army. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9561682&postcount=65

You can't expect the parallels to be perfect and the SHRA SHOULD have allowed for the extrodinary circumstances the heroes face...

 

[Chris Wallace]

I think if they weren't wearing a costume they SHOULD be okay. But if they were once costumed crimefighters there might be a problem.
Then again, unlicensed use of powers is unlicensed use & they might want to make an example of that person.
As far as I know, there's three choices, register, retire, or go to jail. And I'm not 100% sure retirement is an option.

 

[14k london spider]

I don't think registration would apply to those types... nor should they be punished for coming to someones aid, if an emergency crossed their path.

Any citizen can legally pull someone from a burning building without being a fireman... or defend their home from a theif, without being a cop... In fact there are Good Samaritan laws to protect those who try to help others.

Does the Act say that ANYONE who is considered "superpowered" HAS to register, just because they are superpowered? There is much that is pretty vauge about all this.

I compared the SHRA -- giving Superpowered individuals guidlines, training, and some accountablity -- to the safeguards we have with police and the army. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9561682&postcount=65

You can't expect the parallels to be perfect and the SHRA SHOULD have allowed for the extrodinary circumstances the heroes face...

but this is the point. In trying to understand the infringement on civil liberties issue this is the closest i could find. i.e. forcing people to work for the man, forces them to give up their day jobs and probably forces them to give up normal lives. and though it's vague it seems the act applies to people in masks or people using powers to help others, therefore to intervene in a crime you happen upon while using powers would expose you to the act as the purpose is to control people who possess those powers and use them in public. even spider-man who is a 'career-superhero' doesn't always wanna be swinging about looking out for crime, he leads a normal life, he has a couple of normal jobs. Also when you're on the government payroll you inevitably have to follow orders. THerefore there is a risk that he won't always be able to use his abilities to help who thinks needs it (without getting in trouble).

What would NOT be an infringement in my opinion would be if heros had to register their names with the state, so they could be held accountable when things go wrong, but still be free to 'put on the mask' when they wanted, where they wanted, if they wanted and for what they wanted.

 

[14k london spider]

I think if they weren't wearing a costume they SHOULD be okay. But if they were once costumed crimefighters there might be a problem.
Then again, unlicensed use of powers is unlicensed use & they might want to make an example of that person.
As far as I know, there's three choices, register, retire, or go to jail. And I'm not 100% sure retirement is an option.

and the point about the costume is really that it allows people to hide their identities but plenty of heros don't wear masks. Presumably those heros are still covered so i would assume anyone who uses powers without a mask or any costume at all still comes under the remit of the act. After all the purpose of the act is to regulate people who use powers since its the use of those powers that carries a risk regardless of whether they are in costume or not.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not that different from what I said.
However, the remarks about Spider-Man no longer apply.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

 

[JackBauer]

heh, where's that from?

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

heh, where's that from?

Last weeks Cable/Deadpool 30

 

[Chris Wallace]

Spot On.

 

[dan1]

you can see how Civil War would begin and how it will end. The real problem most people have is that to get the story a start, a change of heart, and a conclusion, Spider-Man had to start as a little b*itch who falls in line and lets others dictate what he should do and say.

He was always written opposite of that until JMS made him a big !*ussy!

Again, JMS, cannot work well within Peters' universe. He creates whatever he wants and changes Peters' reality to work within His story.

Makes him a constant sucker and murderer. Butchers his timeline. Has him evolve for the second time in 2 years. Makes him a fulltime avenger. Has him become an agent to the Spider-God.

His stories , from the beginning(ASM #30 vol 2), are more suited for What If?!, not Amazing.

 

[Chris Wallace]

My main problem w/your sig is that you uphold Mackie; his Spider-Man work was horrible. The only arc of his I really liked was "The Name of the Rose".

 

[Chris Wallace]

Your post, however, was spot-on.

 

[Shadowknight]

Makes him a constant sucker and murderer.

You forget making him a cuckold with Gwen cheating on him, and becoming a cannible by eating Morlun's head.