I am currently having a debate with a veteran poster (who will only be referred to as a veteran poster in this thread) on the SHH! concerning a character ananlysis of the Batman. After several days and nights of exchanging posts, I came to the realization that this veteran poster and I were debating about two different interpretations of Batman; he was more influenced by the comics' portrayal of the character, and I was more of a follower of the DCAU rendition. I used to think that both were virtually the same, but after this argument, I am not so sure. Anyway, he still insists that his argument remains true, even in the DCAU portrayal of Batman. This is the core of his argument: There is a third persona known as "real Bruce" Batman is not the true persona Batman is just another mask "real Bruce" is the true persona Bruce Wayne did not cease to exist the moment his parents were murdered Of these points, the one that I disagree with the most is the argument that Batman is not the true persona. But I'm getting ahead of myself. I would like for fans of the DCAU Batman to weigh in on this. I'd appreciate it very much if intellectual posters who've been with the DC Animated Universe since the beginning and who know the inner workings of the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini vision of Batman post their thoughts here. I mean, these assertions by this veteran poster are pretty radical in my view and are very contrary to the Batman we've known for over a decade. I'll provide some background information and some of my very own thoughts to clarify and flesh out the argument a little bit more. I think the best place to start is with Batman: Animated, a book which was published several years ago. Here is a picture of it: The book explores the various production aspects of the show, but it also goes into a deep analysis of each of the show's major characters. The book itself was written by Paul Dini, and it includes many interviews from key players of BTAS. Here is an excerpt which I think explains the basics of the DCAU Batman: You guys can already see that the Batman envisioned by Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Alan Burnett, and Eric Radomski comes into conflict with the argument of the veteran poster. Batman is the true persona in the DCAU portrayal. I think anyone who is a long-time fan of the DCAU knows this; there have been many, many episodes which have affirmed this, Nothing to Fear being the most powerful . In the episode, Batman delievers this already classic line: Most of the power of this affirmation stems from the fact that he is saying it to his own father. Yes, it was an illusion created by the Scarecrow, but it felt real to Batman. Furthermore, nowhere in the excerpt from Batman: Animated is there mention of this supposed third persona who is supposed to be the true identity according to this veteran poster. In fact, no where in the book or any interview I can find on the internet do the creators of the DCAU even hint at a third persona. If there is a third persona, despite any acknowledgement from the creators, it is a persona that is in fact Batman, but without the cape and cowl. Although I know some fans who are reluctant to agree that Batman can be Batman without the cape and cowl, the vocal patterns of Bruce Wayne/Batman in the DCAU suggest that he can... Throughout the DCAU, Kevin Conroy alters the pitch of his voice to make distinctions between when he is playing "Bruce Wayne" and when he is playing "Batman." True, it becomes harder to distinguish the difference as the character matures from BTAS to TNBAS to JL/JLU to BB, but the differences in pitch are still there. The "Bruce Wayne" voice sounds lighter and more forced. The "Batman" voice is deeper and more natural. Kevin Conroy uses the "Batman" voice when conversing with all of the his close allies (Alfred, Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, etc.) all of the time, regardless of whether or not Bruce is donning the cape and cowl. It's also interesting to note that Batman always refers to himself, even on a subconscious level, as Batman, regardless of whether or not he is wearing the suit. This is evident particularly in the Batman Beyond episode, Shriek. By contrast, Bruce Wayne is always referred to in the third person unless he is introducing himself to someone who is not aware of his secret. I could go on, but I don't think that you guys want to read anymore. I am sure that many of you Batman fans know all about the "three persona" interpretation, so I don't feel the need to go into it any further. But strictly within the context of the DCAU, does this interpretation carry over? Or any of the other points argued by the veteran poster? I personally don't think so.