The Amazing Spider-Man I am the only one thats feeling this movie is getting worse with time?

Discussion in 'The Amazing Spider-Man Movies' started by LegendAssemble, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. LegendAssemble Registered

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    When I first saw the movie I was blown away. I loved the portrail of Peter and how much I could relate to him (being a quite skateboard in high school) and I loved the relationship with Gwen. However the second time I saw it there was something off about it and the third time there was something even more off.

    I finally realized I only liked the movie because I liked the characters, not the story or anything that happened in it really. Anything could have happened with these characters and I would have enjoyed it just as much. In Spider-Man the characterization of Peter might not have been as enjoyable but the story it told, really made you care and enjoy the film, all of the subplots might not have been completed, but they were all paid off. Spider-Man 2 had the same situation, in the movie you see Peter and Octavius lose the whole movie and make the wrong choices, in the end its really rewarding to see Peter finally get girl and be rewarded.

    With Amazing SO much fell flat, you could miss Captain Stacy getting stabbed if you have a short enough attention span, you don't feel for Connors at all. Not only that the parents arc is just dropped, the Lizard references "No Mom, no Dad..." it almost felt like just a "hey guys don't forget about that!". I mean there was NO pay off! I'm really starting to question how satisfied I actually am with this reboot. Kicking the writers was a good move, they did a horrible disservice to the character, however given Webb's presentation of the character is what made the movie work, I question the sequels potential without his presence...
     
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  2. hopefuldreamer Clark Kent > Superman

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    I felt exactly the same when I watched it for the third time recently.

    Still enjoyed it, but I was mostly thinking about how good the next film COULD be, and not so much what this film had actually achieved itself.

    It was a good film that I still love. But it was nowhere near a GREAT film.
     
  3. Picard Sisko Prepare to be Assimilated

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    First of all, Mary Jane was not in this movie. Second of all, it is spelled "portrayal," not portrail.

    I disagree that this movie gets worse with time. Its just as I have always said, a "setup film." It planted the seeds, and now the sequel will make or break the series. I am really excited to see what happens with his parents, or how/when he will catch Uncle Ben's killer. As a film on its own, it is pretty weak. But if the next movie is great, TASM will be much more appreciated. The next movie has so much potential to be AMAZING.

    I really did feel bad for Dr. Connors. When he puts his hand up next to the glass and pretends to have two arms, you feel his pain. After the mistake he made of taking the Lizard formula, he ends up behind bars when he really is a good man.
     
  4. pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    errrm. does the OP think Mary Jane is George Stacy's daughter?
     
  5. LegendAssemble Registered

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    Gwen. Typo. But I mean they could have made a set up film that stands alone (X-Men?). I mean the parents arc didn't have to close, but there was NO payoff.
     
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    Nope, I was watching Spider-Man 2 at the time (what made me think to make this) and he was talking to MJ in the scene and Im a bad multi-tasker :(
     
  7. Picard Sisko Prepare to be Assimilated

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    X-Men was a film that stands on its own, but it didn't set up any real story arcs for future films. Both were handled very differently, and I appreciate both. We will see which is more successful when the sequels are made.
     
  8. LegendAssemble Registered

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    Magneto's in jail promising war. Wolverine and the audience are now familiar with the X-Men and on his way to the lake to find out about his past. The movie satisfies all of the plot points brought up but has also put all the pieces into place for a better movie to come, which it did. X2 did the same, leaving Pyro with Magneto, Wolverine choosing to stay with the X-Men instead of learning his past. And Jean being presumed dead but hinted to be alive.

    We don't have that same effect here, we have something thats fun to watch, but doesn't have more merit than that.
     
  9. Picard Sisko Prepare to be Assimilated

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    I thought you meant X-Men: First Class. My bad. I'm tired lol.

    But yeah, I do agree though that the first X-Men was a solid film on its own. You can same the same about the first Spider-Man though.
     
  10. chaseter Esteemed Member

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    I am still waiting for KAW to tell me another movie that has two of it's major plot arcs and character motivations for the main character as well as an antagonist to the main villain and protagonist dropped halfway through the movie all in the name of a sequel.
     
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    Lizard's plan to convert all of the city into reptilian humanoids like himself was a pretty generic plot by a mad scientist or a mutant. I imagine they are not going to get much more original especially if the Green Goblin is used again. Imagine though Electro is created after getting struck by lightning and then becomes a petty thug who wants to hold Manhattan ransom with no one to stop him. Very cliche.
     
  12. Rogue Kira All Knowing Spidey-Fan

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    I would state I did enjoy the first 2 Spider-Man films I felt the 3rd film was disappointing.
    The first film was passable as a origin story i would have liked to see him develop in high school, the main thing that made Spider-Man so appealing he was a teenager dealing with superhero problem and teenage problems plus he he had no mentor. In Spider man he was in high school for like minutes (not literally ) and then he is thrown into the adult world.
    The story really didn't do much over three films there really wasn't a good solid story other than mary jane getting kidnapped every movie her character was too generic.

    But in the Amazing Spider-Man has is a story there.peter trying to find out about his parents and dealing with these new found powers also of being high school which nice to see that he is still attending at the end of the film . As I stated before I like the the first two film regardless of their short comings . so now I don't think this film is worse with time I think this film did what the first three films fell short to do and that is tell a definitive spidey story.
     
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    Yeah I was referring to one and two, the third Raimi got screwed trying to make everyone happy. Anyway it's not like Spider-Man is going to be in High School in the next film, he graduated in like 1968, he has 40 years of history after high school, thats not the characters appeal. The characters appeal lies in his relatability to everyone's problems, which is something that was done well in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2.

    In one it is directly stated this is a story about a girl. And thats the thing that drives this version of Peter, his love for Mary Jane. He spends the whole movie trying to impress her. It's why Uncle Ben dies, something that leads him to become Spider-Man, and ultimately his pursuit of her leads him to put her in danger, at the end of the movie he has to make the tough choice to give her up. It had consistant theme and even though the story wasn't over, it was paid off, we felt satisfied when he walked away from her at the end.

    In two it opens again with Mary Jane and deals with Peter trying to balance his life as Spider-Man and Peter Parker. He keeps losing and getting beat up by the world until he has enough and quits and tries to take his normal life with Mary Jane. He tells Aunt May he was responsible for Uncle Bens and she tells him that sometimes you have to give up your dream to do whats right. Peter does and he tells Mary Jane to get married and leave him be. She comes back to him and tells him that its not his choice if she wants to put herself in danger. The whole movie is just about the worst happening to Peter and it all builds up to the end where Peter makes the tough decision and its good to see him get rewarded for it.

    Spider-Man 3 was supposed to be about the consequences of allowing himself to be with Mary Jane and dealing with his enemies who find out about her (why there are 3 villains, Harry, Sandman, and Vulture). However this didn't pan out, so when Mary Jane gets kidnapped again it seemed cliched because it wasn't built up to.

    Anyway this movie did none of that. It gave us a good portrayal of Peter but I mean what do you remember about the movie? All I remember is the scene where he lets Captain Stacy see him unmasked because that was built up to and paid off. However the rest of the movie was just build up that either wasn't paid off or was dropped entirely! The movie didn't have that man with the unwanted burden of the world feel that Spider-Man should have.

    What I don't think you understand is that, a movie hits you and resinates with you not because of what happens or what the story is about, but what it says to your subconscious. The movie doesn't have the same impact at all the second or third watch at all.
     
  14. LegendAssemble Registered

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    I wish there was a like or Repost button, because I've been waiting for the same damn thing from KAW...
     
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    Since I have only seen it once I can't tell. But I loved it so much and found myself thinking many complaints here were either just nitpicking for the sake of it, or simply misunderstanding the film. As far as I remember, the only thing I agreed on was that Dr. Connors / Lizard wasn't used to his full potential. Which is a pretty big thing in reality, but I still liked him very much as a movie villain. Not one of the best but certainly not as bad as some people make him out to be.

    However, I have rewatched some major scenes on Youtube since then and I can tell you what I think so far:

    As individual scenes they are not anything special, with the exception of the sewer scenes. However, this is kinda the opposite to Raimi's films to me. There, I can love watching one or two scenes individually at Youtube, but I can't stand watching the whole films. With this film, I don't find many individual scenes that are just cool to watch, but in the context of the whole film I loved it.

    It's the opposite to TDKR to me as well. I have only seen that once as well, but I found myself bored and off most of the time. But I love watching for example the first Bane vs. Batman fight on Youtube because that scene stands out a bit. Amazing Spider-Man felt much more even than previously mentioned films throughout the whole thing, where the emotional scenes stood out much more than the action.
     
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    You mean Dr Ratha and the parents angle?

    It was cut out from the movie
     
  17. Kahran Ramsus Super Moderator

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    I mentioned it in another thread, but The Golden Compass did that. It had a big role in that film flopping and the sequel never getting made, so it certainly isn't an example of a good movie doing it.
     
  18. Rogue Kira All Knowing Spidey-Fan

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    what major plot arcs where dropped half-way through the movie because Webb had stated that he is expanding this origin story into the next movie so I wouldn't say it has been dropped .
     
  19. Rogue Kira All Knowing Spidey-Fan

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    @LegendAssemble

    When Spider-Man first popped up . he was a teen in high school who people could relate too. Unlike Robin or other kid hero at the time he had no mentor he had learn everything himself while at the same time being in high school. he wasn't side-kick...he was the hero.
    It what made him Such a hit in the first place and it is a big part of his origin story.
    to see that just brushed pass is a little disappointing. And is part of his appeal to say that it isn't is non-sense.

    As for the second movie the Story they were trying to adapt "spider-man no more" fell short in my opinion because the story-line deals with aunt may being gravely ill (something that was going for awhile) and J.Jonah Jameson turning the city against him it becomes too much for him and so he quits . In this second movie he quits because he simply wants the girl which was a major disappointment to me because that is a landmark issue it would have been nice to see it had it been done the right way. As for Doc Ock the fact that he was made out to be a sympathetic character something he has never been was weird .why not get someone who is actually a sympathetic character like the Curt Connors or morbius. But instead they took someone and turned him into a something he is clearly not. MJ's character was not done much justice her character was not the MJ we've known from the comics . As for the 3rd movie i wont go there. all in all the original the first 2 films I enjoyed them they're good movies or Pop corn Flicks but when i look at it from the stand point of an adaptation then I feel they come up short. I'm not saying they're bad movies at all ....well I mean the first two.
     
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  20. spider-neil spins a web any size!

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    I've enjoyed ASM MORE times with every viewing. I stopped at 3 for money reasons. Day one Blu ray purchase for me and I can see my viewing of this movie going into double figures.
     
  21. Jexx the Emerald Eagle

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    Is it just me, or is it weird that the topic title sounds more like a 'statement' line with a question mark at the end? It's like when you make a statement, but aren't entirely sure about it, so you give it the tone of a question.

    Maybe it's just because it says 'I am' instead of 'Am I'...
     
  22. pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I think it wouldve made more sense as a statement. As he is indeed probably one of the few. everyone ive asked seems to like the film better the more times they see it.
     
  23. Picard Sisko Prepare to be Assimilated

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    If I didn't know about the Lizard from the comics, the movie version wouldn't have bothered me that much.
     
  24. Spider-Aziz I Wanna Be...

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    I liked it more the second viewing, third viewing though I gave it a 7.5/10, lower than the initial 7.8/10 score

    Whoa Oscorp, your score for the flick dropped again
     
  25. Picard Sisko Prepare to be Assimilated

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    I gave it a 9/10 the first time, and was unsure afterwards how I felt. Eventually I became satisfied with 8.5/10.
     

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