The Dark Knight I dont want to see Rachel die...

explode7 said:
Where did u guys get this DAMMIT phrase from???

Long story. You should ask Clerk for details on that, but we veterans have been using that phrase since the beginning of 2003. Most of the people that use it today have really no idea of the actual meaning of it...
 
I'll tell you where DAMMIT! came from. It started because everyone kept whinning about wanting Bale for Batman as they did with Bettany for Joker. So 'Snipe and Clerk kept using it a sarcasim, thing is though that it backfired and became something everyone started to use. They kept using it anyway to be sarcastic but most people kept using it because they really wanted Bale. Now people use it for whatever whenever cause it's still kind of trendy in these parts. I was around way back when it started to catch on, and I still talk with 'Snipe and Clerk and they still use it as sarcasim on their boards. I'm pretty sure that is the correct explination.

AS FOR KATIE:
On THE SOUP Joel McHale were making jokes about Tom and Katie. He said that Katie is being pushed to get back in shape for role in the Batman sequel. Then he made some joke about their baby. Not that THE SOUP is a great news source or anything but Joel wouldn't just say that cause it felt right, some hollywood rumor must be circulating that she will be back in a way that she needs to get back in shape, so they may mean bigger then any of us want. Then again this is hollywood so who knows, she could be cut at the last second or it could all just be rumors, or rather expected since she was in the last film.
 
spanish39 said:
I'll tell you where DAMMIT! came from. It started because everyone kept whinning about wanting Bale for Batman as they did with Bettany for Joker. So 'Snipe and Clerk kept using it a sarcasim, thing is though that it backfired and became something everyone started to use. They kept using it anyway to be sarcastic but most people kept using it because they really wanted Bale. Now people use it for whatever whenever cause it's still kind of trendy in these parts. I was around way back when it started to catch on, and I still talk with 'Snipe and Clerk and they still use it as sarcasim on their boards. I'm pretty sure that is the correct explination.

That's it...:up:
 
Other insiders claim although I dont trust this other insiders from other Batman boards that Rachel leaves Gotham for some Federal job offer.
I can also see this happening since because of her idealistic nature but I the part Im doubtful is that Rachel loves Gotham very much just like Batman does.
 
*Batman please save Rachel* If Rachel leaves that's okay with me so it leaves her another cameo for part 3. LOL!

I found this at Rotten Tomatoes forum awhile back but I think its interesting to share it.

Burning Rubber
Move Over Spiderman Batman is Back
By Donna Walker Mitchell, TV HITS June 2008

We hear Batman's girlfriend is played by Tom Cruise new squeeze Katie Holmes, what is she like?

Katie's a great girl and very special. We have great chemistry.She plays Rachel who is a friend of Bruce from childhood and who really means a great deal to him.
As Batman he becomes obsessive that he kinds puts his life on hold.
For PG reasons, we felt it was not necessary yet to delve into his love life(he laughs),Bruce realizes he's incredibly lacking in that area because he cant seem to have a normal life. But Bruce and Rachel should be further explored because this two are pretty intriguing.

Dream Watch August 2005
Katie as Rachel is so effective because she balances the dark impulses of Bruce. She is a big part of the kind of man Batman has become and Bruce cares for her very deeply.
 
Nolan views Rachel as a very important character. This is obvious from the many interviews during Begins. There's no way she's going to be left out of the sequel.
 
I actually thought Katie Holmes did a decent job. I mean, I still want her character to die, but I think she did okay. The only thing that truly pissed me off about her in the movie was that it took all the focus off of the actual flick. Every opening special I saw had something to do w/ her and Tom Cruise and not the movie. That's why I really hope she doesnt' come back.
 
The commentaries were from Christian Bale (my apologies for being unclear). Nolan had many raving comments about Kate/Rachel on Latino reviews,Black Film and Giant Magazine but Im lazy to bring all of those right now.

Its not Katie promoting TomKat but the media. BB is over but look at how the media and paps still harasses her. This is all about money for this greedy scums for their photographs and magazines.

Kate didnt show up for 'Thank you for Smoking' and the crowd and media got pissed off. Jason Reitman got a lot of complaints and a disappointed crowd at the Toronto Festival. What's the girl gonna do? if she's present some accuse her of stealing the thunder and if she's a no show some are still mad anyway. Maybe if there's a press conference let's announce the rules that only Bat-related questions will be answered so that prevents those that are Tomkat gossip seekers. LOL!
 
I just don't think she is great actress and has no spot among these established actors in truth. After all the BS publicity she and Tom created to promote their films, (Tom more then her), I just got sick of her. I'm still sick of seeing and hearing about her and Tom and their missing baby. I don't care if they are really together or not or have a baby or not and I try not to pay attention to that kind of crap but every time you go to check out your groceries or turn on tv you can't help but have this crap thrown in your face somehow. A mixture of both is what gets me, heracting and all the PR.

If she leaves for a move or the next 2 I will be fine. Batman don't need no lady to hold him down lol, the dude is rich and single...if I were rich and like him and single I asure you it would take more then Katie Holmes to hold me down, even if I knew her as a child. Bruce should play the field and then go back to her when he is old, besides she didn't want him like that until she knew he was Batman lol.
 
I always tell those that are sick of her to turn off the channel or flip the pages. But ofcourse deep down others do love the gossip whether they admit it or not. But of all the love interests Rachel by Katie is my favorite.
I wouldnt get so attached to RD if not for the good acting and good writing.
 
I don't want Katie to be in any future Batman movie because it will come down to the TOM/Kat relationship and their baby and not Batman.
 
The Joker killing Rachel would be perfect for a couple of reasons.

One, even though Batman already views Joker as a homicidal maniac and is intent on taking him down, Joker killing Rachel would be a good analogue to the comics and him killing Robin. Joker sees that Batman is indeed close to someone and he wants to hurt Batman in any way he can, so he goes after Rachel, just like he went after Robin in the comics.

Two, with Rachel killed, they have the perfect time to introduce Harvey Dent as a hot-shot DA. He's good-looking, charming, smart, but he also has an ego and after hearing about this Batman-character in Gotham taking down criminals, is a bit offended and decides to clean up Gotham himself from inside the system. He's ambitious but also naive, so he does not want to make an alliance with Gordon and Batman at first, but after building up a perfect case against some mob-family in Gotham and getting it thrown out of court, understands that the law isn't infallible and he has to do whatever it takes to take the family down. So, Gordon, Batman & Dent start working together, get enough evidence and a good judge to take the family to court again.. and then comes the acid. Enter, Two-Face. Or, we can have him take the Joker to court and have him throw the acid. Either way, we get Two-Face. And there's always the possibility Batman, Gordon and Dent are working to bring down Penguin's arms-cartel (or is that just a rumor?) and one of Penguin's henchmen bathes Harvey in acid during a trial.

Three, we have a good explanation why Bruce's love-interest is gone, instead of going the route the old movies did and just make the women disappear. With Rachel gone, we can leave a door open for Ra's Al Ghul's daughter to appear in the third movie to continue her father's work, but at the same time, have her fall in love with Batman and explain that to be with her, he has to become the new leader of the League Of Shadows. However, Bruce can't allow that so it's a good "forbidden love" type story.
 
xanberkeley said:
I always tell those that are sick of her to turn off the channel or flip the pages. But ofcourse deep down others do love the gossip whether they admit it or not.[\QUOTE]

Well I'm not, I said I can't help but see that crap everywhere I look when I don't want to. I don't care about them or their baby, but on most entertainment shows or talk shows or any kind of shows these days there are jokes and people won't leave it alone. When I buy my groceries all the magazines there have crap plastered all over the place. I turn the channels, I don't flip the pages because I don't read that crap. So don't say everyone loves it wether they admit it or not because alot of people are subject to involuntarily.

Her whole part was crap, any girl or women in Hollywood could have walked through that role like a walk in the park. You would have been attached to any one in that role wether it was Katie or not. Rachel can stay sure, if she is played by a different actress. Nolan is attached to the Dawes character but not Katie lol.

Sorry if you didn't mean this directly to me but it seemed as if it was so I am just answering back.
 
I respectfully disagree that Nolan is only attached to Rachel and not Katie. After all he and Goyer created this character and immediately thought of Katie and no other actresses in mind.

To support this theory I found this Rachel Dawes site by a Batman fan from IMDB boards www.alanes.us/katie/

Its filled with views from fans and he/she included the thoughts of Nolan and the Batman cast and crew on Katie Holmes. I give the site a thumbs up. Ofcourse Nolan has to think of the overall vision of this film especially Batman and not just the Rachel situation.
 
That was before the media circus though with all due respect, for all we know they may not want to associate themselves with her these days. Some of Tom's weirdness may rub off on her, well, actually they probably aren't really dating and she probably doesn't even live with him lol. Seriously though who knows...we will know more about her and the Rachel character in due time I guess.
 
explode7 said:
I don't want Katie to be in any future Batman movie because it will come down to the TOM/Kat relationship and their baby and not Batman.
Tom cruise and Katie Holmes are both going to be in the sequel? AND their baby?

Seriously, how the hell does the promotion/media coverage affect your enjoyment of a film? I know when I'm watching Begins I'm not thinking about what the actors get up to in their spare time, who's dating who, etc. And anyway, today's news is tomorrow's fish and chips wrapping...
 
I hate for Rachel to die too. I like to be surprised for once because I never got that experience from X-Men,Spiderman,Fantastic 4 and even from Superman Returns. As other Batfans said Katie is also free publicity for the franchise. If they're allergic to Kate then why would Roven said last year on SciFi that the only stars signed on for the sequel are Bale,Caine,Oldman and that Katie remains the love interest. Paramount and TC broke up mutually but many studios were secretly happy about this including other Indie companies. TC already has projects with WB lined up including I Married a Witch with Director Danny DeVito.
Last month TC and Kate were shown to be hanging out with Alan Horn and other WB bossmen. This week TC and Kate were with the Yahoo execs at Santa Monica funny how they were all former WB VP's.
If they're allergic to Kate why will the WB TV dept. and Pres. Garth Ancier capitalize on Kate's fanbase to return for the WB's Sept.17 network farewell. They are showing the WB elite stars montages and classic promos and the final hour of the network is Kate's TV show Dawson's Creek. This guys may be artists but they're also businessmen.
Im a Kate fan all the way and whatever Nolan and Co. decides whether she dies or not I trust their creative judgement.
 
Cinemaman said:
If Rachel comes back, them I'll be ok with this.

If Rachel just doesn't come back, then I won't be fine with this.

If Rachel is just killed, then I'll be very disappointed.

If Rachel is killed by Joker (ala TKJ scene with Barbara) by the end of movie, then I'll be ok with this.

It think that sums it up. It's all a matter of how they'll handle her character.
 
Sobfest for me if Rachel dies. I was impress with Holmes on this movie. I love her and Bruce together and I have a personal attachment to Rachel in so many levels.
Add the fact that many actresses are worst than Katie, with their manic depressive,drugs,****ing around,bulimia and young actress posing naked on magazines. To me that rubs them off of their dignity and I will stop being a Katie fan if she starts posing nude on magazines too but for now I stand by her.
 
lol, I would have rather had Jennifer love Hewitt as Rachel. At least she has a huge rack to go with that acting, oh, and no herpies on her lips. She is better on the eyes lol. Couldn't have been any worse then Holmes. In fact, they should replace Holmes with her lol, let Bruce get some D's in his hands.
 
Majik1387 said:
I hope you're not serious.



Katie Holmes wan't bad in BB, she was just outperformed.


And besides - Jennifer love Hewitt? :confused:
 
Wow, defending Katie Holmes as an actress...I never thought I'd see the day.

I can't believe people actually seem attached to the Rachel Dawes character. She was nothing more than a prop character. She was meaningless. You could throw any bimbo into that role. In my opinion, she didn't serve any purpose that couldn't have been handled by the far superior and legitimate characters such as Lucious Fox or Alfred. I just hate the "let's throw a girl in there because there aren't enough boobs in it" approach. People constantly complain about Robin bringing Batman down, but they defend this Rachel Dawes. Batman does not need her...he is better off without her. Ugh.
 
Oh, and I could care less about what Holmes does in her personal life...that isn't relevant to Batman, imo.
 

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