I hate how mis-informed people can be sometimes!

[Catman]

Read this nonsense first:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0381061/board/nest/56908687


Okay. So, when are people gonna get it through their head that Casino Royale is not a prequel, restart, or even a sequel for that matter? With the exception of From Russia With Love all the Bond films are their own seperate film. Sure, they make certain references to previous films but for the most part they are their own seperate film. So, don't expect the previous Bond films based on the novels to be remade or whatever. It's not gonna happen. Casino Royale is it's own film. It just happens to be an origin film since its based on the first novel.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think people are just obsessed with continuity and feel the need to "connect" everything.

 

[TheVileOne]

Thing is though, Sony markets this with tag lines like for Episode 1 talking about how every legend has a beginning and this is the beginning of Bond.

Remember, the general public still really didn't get what Batman Begins was until they actually saw it.

 

[SuperFerret]

Thing is though, Sony markets this with tag lines like for Episode 1 talking about how every legend has a beginning and this is the beginning of Bond.

Remember, the general public still really didn't get what Batman Begins was until they actually saw it.

Many still don't get it.

 

[TheVileOne]

But understand it's not the public's fault. It's more the fault of the studio and the marketing division.

This is why I think keeping Judi Dench was stupid. It confuses people on this matter.

 

[Goldeneye]

Id say its a prequel loosly - its set before all the other bonds right, before he gets his 00....

 

[TheVileOne]

Even though it's set in present day. And even though Judi Dench from the last 3 films is still M.

 

[Goldeneye]

Yeah thats why I say 'loose', its a prequel to the franchise not one film....

 

[Catman]

Loose is a good word. From Russia With Love is the only direct-sequel or the only real sequel for that matter. Each Bond film is its own movie with, of course, little references to the past films.

I think by the time Goldfinger was released everyone involved with the franchise realized that this had potential to be a long-running series and they should just kill continuity since thats the only way they could continue making these films for the next 40 years.

 

[super_fan]

Bond 22 continues some of the plot strands from Casino Royale so it's very much a rebooted Bond franchise. Think of Bond films 1 - 20 as the first generation, Bond 21 - 22 (and possilbly more) as the second.

Of course, if Craig isn't a hit and replaced and Bond 22 continues as a sequel to Casino Royale, it might seem odd to have a different actor playing Bond. We'll have to see if Craig is a hit with the public. And Judi Dench is age 72 so it's likely she'll be replaced in the near future. A younger M will be necessary sooner or later and that will make the second generation of Bond films seem a little more 'continuity' strong.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

It's a restart.

 

[Goldeneye]

Id say a restart is more along the lines of batman....because they are retelling how charecters came about etc...in this bond they arent really changing how things happened

 

[November Rain]

i consider it a restart but bond and continuity aren't real problems for me, each film i consider as another mission, no big deal.

 

[Catman]

It's a restart.

That makes no sense because what EXACTLY is being restarted? From Russia With Love is the only direct-sequel. Every other Bond film is its own film that simply makes loose references to the past films.

So, Casino Royale isn't technically restarting anything since there's nothing to be restarted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cubby Broccoli is rolling in his grave right now.

 

[Two-Face]

Catman, I agree with your first post and I love your avatar 100%

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

That makes no sense because what EXACTLY is being restarted?

Bond career. It tells the beginning of his life as a secret agent when he still has to earn his 00.

 

[Goldeneye]

they arent restarting his career - they're just showing it

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://superherohype.com/news/jamesbondnews.php?id=4900

..the idea was that when you go back to basics with Bond, of course, he's a much younger Bond and a different Bond....
....
JBH!: Is the idea of the relaunch to slowly reintroduce us to Bond staples like Q like how it was done in "Batman Begins"?
Campbell: No, really the thing was that we stuck pretty closely to the book. There's no Q in the books, he doesn't appear.
.....
JBH!: Since this is a prequel, you have to set things up like the Aston Martin and his choice in martinis, but did you throw any subtle nods to previous films in the backgrounds (like having an actress from "You Only Live Twice" as one of the poker players)?
Campbell: No, I think all the obvious things are there, like he wins the Aston Martin, he gives the ingredients to the martini. I just couldn't fit it in with all that product placement

 

[Catman]

http://superherohype.com/news/jamesbondnews.php?id=4900

You prove nothing. Edward is just a person as mis-informed as those people at IMDb. All Campbell said was that they just wanted to be faithful to the book. No where in that interview did he confirm this was a prequel and that they were gonna suddenly start re-making all the past Bond films. I mean...I doubt the next Bond film will be Live and Let Die.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

You prove nothing. Edward is just a person as mis-informed as those people at IMDb. All Campbell said was that they just wanted to be faithful to the book. No where in that interview did he confirm this was a prequel and that they were gonna suddenly start re-making all the past Bond films. I mean...I doubt the next Bond film will be Live and Let Die.

Who said they're gonna remake the old movies?

 

[Dark Guardian]

I'm fine with this being a prequel set in the present. I know some people have issues with that, but hey, how long are you going to go in a loooooong chain of movies without eventually having to do a prequel. It was just too far from the "first" movie to do a prequel set before the "first" movie, so they restarted it.
I'm fine with that.
Just watch the movie and get over it. If they tried to keep all the movies on some kind of strange continuity line, James Bond would actually be Ra's Al Ghul, because he supposedly would never grow old or die. If you're being nitpicky and saying that "From Russia With Love" is the FIRST movie, and Die Another Day is his latest mission, then you would have to claim several other things, A) that James Bond, though he must now be over 80 years old, is able to stay exactly the same age, body weight, and physical shape, though his face does the "Doctor Who" thing every once in a while and B) that everyone else has all the normal limits of aging.
So, by that logic, James Bond is now some alien from another world who changes faces every once in a while and knows the secrets of the Lasirus pits.
Wow.
Doctor Al Ghul, now all we need is a phone booth and we're in buissness!

So, unless you want Doctor Al Ghul fighting evil baddies all over the world and occasionally dropping his face like a shed skin on you, lets just presume this is a restart shall we?

So says The Dark Knight, who certainly doesn't want the planet in the hands of somebody like that.
That is all.

 

[Fried Gold]

LOL@this thread.

 

[Catman]

Who said they're gonna remake the old movies?

If this movie was ACTUALLY a restart then they would have to remake all the other movies based on the novels.

If they tried to keep all the movies on some kind of strange continuity line, James Bond would actually be Ra's Al Ghul, because he supposedly would never grow old or die.

Did you actually read what I wrote. There IS NO continuity. From Russia With Love (1963) is the ONLY real sequel. It is a sequel to 1962's Dr. No. Every other Bond movie is it's own movie with simple loose references to previous films.

So, my point is...what EXACTLY is Casino Royale restarting? There is nothing to restart.

 

[Cinemaman]

For me, it is a re-start like BB.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

If this movie was ACTUALLY a restart then they would have to remake all the other movies based on the novels.



Did you actually read what I wrote. There IS NO continuity. From Russia With Love (1963) is the ONLY real sequel. It is a sequel to 1962's Dr. No. Every other Bond movie is it's own movie with simple loose references to previous films.

So, my point is...what EXACTLY is Casino Royale restarting? There is nothing to restart.

Surely the best way to work it out is that bond is a name given to the agents who are 007.

This would explain the whole dr. no/from russia with love sequel thing and it would explain the bit you forgot... the dead bond wife.

In On her majesty`s secret service Bond gets married and his blushing bride gets murdered by Blowfelt. At the begining of one of Roger Moore`s bond films he visits the grave of the deceased wife.

To me this ties it together perfectly as it explains the continuity reason why lazenby`s bond is in only one film. He cannot take the grief and quits the british secret service. Connery`s bond is hastily brought back in to replace Lazenby`s bond. Roger Moore`s bond character then we can assume was a close friend of Lazenby`s bond and thereby that is why he tends the deceased wife`s grave.

Each bond therefore is a different agent, explaining how judi dench can be in it and how it can be bond`s origin in this new film.

Additionally: On wikipedia it says that there is a continuity error in On her majesty`s secret service. Blowfelt doesn`t recognize bond even though he met him in the previous film You only live twice.

This of course would not be a continuuity discrepancy if Connery`s bond and lazenby`s bond were seperate people. Blowfelt then would literally not have ever met him before. Blowfelt`s subsequent helicopter attack on roger moore then must have been for some grievance between moore`s bond and blowfelt.