I have seen CASINO ROYALE & this is what i have to say (Heavy Spoilers!)

Golgo13:The Hitman said:
..true. But she did need the money.


Yeah...most likely, she wouldve turned in the money, and then went back to bond so they could live happily ever after
 
She loved him. That is why she was so guilty falling in love with him (that and she was in bed metaphorically speaking with the SMESH figures because they kidnapped and most likely killed her French lover). Then when she can save Bond and herself she does by offering them the money. That is why they lived. Bond found out about her treachery and out of shame and guilt she killed herself. Thus creating the woman-hating Bond we know today.

Very good adaptation of the character and I for one am VERY GLAD that it was played by Eva Green and not Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie, especially.

As for Dench. I honestly feel this was her weakest entry as M yet (outside of TND where she was barely in it). Simply, because the diologue in the most serious Bond movie in 20 years was very hamfisted for her (way over the top, compared to any of her Brosnan films). She didn't have that quiet menace and subtelty she did in the Brosnan ones, but I think that is what the script calls for. I also preferred her relationship with Brosnan. They had better chemistry and especially in GE and TWINE. I also liked how she sized Bond up as a dionsaur in GE and he had no respect for her. While she very much is the traditionalist in CR, which very much contradicts their relationship in the Brosnan movies.

With that said it was only a minor quibble and overall CR is the best Bond movie since GE and in my top 5 Bond films ever made (Goldfinger, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, Casino Royale and The Spy Who Loved Me, in that order).
 
Yeah...Dench wasnt necessary in this movie, IMO. I'm really wishing they brought back the miles character as M.
 
Caught it last night, thought it was damn cool, a solid action filled restart. I never really had a problem with Craig doing the job as Bond, especially seeing him in Layer Cake, and Munich (I forgot he was in Road to Peridition). But for the movie itself, it was action packed, fresh, and IMO the best, most original take on the character since it's inception. It was good that they dumped the one liners, outside of reality gadgets, and just concentrated on plot and action.

The Villians were good, not overdone and cheesy. I loved the Freerunning opener, the Airport scene, the Venice scene, hell, alot of memorable, twisted and sick action. I got a good laugh out of the torture scene, and the end made me leave with a smile.

Now, a couple things I wasn't too crazy about. First, this movie series needs to be R rated. Enough with this crap of castrating the film so it can get some more theatres. I loved the action, the women were hot, but it was so "clean" (no pop squibs or nudity) I felt that i was watching something on Cable TV like FX. They want to bring this to the next level, raise the damn bar and give the film an edge with some blood on it. Also, the running time and the editing (especially in the later 3rd quarter) were sloggish. The Vesper romance seemed pretty oddly stretched out, and it seemed like Bond's beating made him stupid for a couple weeks, concidering that it was obvious something was up with her.

From reading some comments here and other sites, I really got to go with the opinion that some people are hung up on the past. I wont say that Craig is better than Brosnan, Connery, or Moore. But where the hell did all this Dalton love come from? The guy was one of the worst Bond's to me, and his films are a couple of the worst films in the series.CR is a relaunch for Bond in the 21st Century, and while it still has to have Bond Elements, it just gave itself a much needed transfusion of energy that the last couple films lacked.
 
I don't think Bond should be R. These are fantasies after all, even CR didn't lose sight of htat. Bond movies are meant for everyone (well all males anyway). But it is good to add some bite to it too though (like this one did).
 
DACrowe said:
She loved him. That is why she was so guilty falling in love with him (that and she was in bed metaphorically speaking with the SMESH figures because they kidnapped and most likely killed her French lover). Then when she can save Bond and herself she does by offering them the money. That is why they lived. Bond found out about her treachery and out of shame and guilt she killed herself. Thus creating the woman-hating Bond we know today.

I have a problem with the fact she killed herself due to shame and guilt, there are so many other ways that could have played out. The fact Bond tries to save her shows he still had feelings for her and I think he could have seen past what she had done, I think she should have stayed alive but let Bond walk away from her, that would have hit home more for me.
 
I think it might have looked better, if once Bond snapped out of his ***** whipped state, he actually let her die. So during his attempted rescue of her, we get a shot of Bond coming to his senses and just simply floating back to the surface leaving her there; thus the birth of the cold womaniser we all know and love!
 
Golgo13:The Hitman said:
I think it might have looked better, if once Bond snapped out of his ***** whipped state, he actually let her die. So during his attempted rescue of her, we get a shot of Bond coming to his senses and just simply floating back to the surface leaving her there; thus the birth of the cold womaniser we all know and love!

You know I would have liked this too, or he could have just failed in his attempts to pull her out thus leaving her in the watery grave
 
one of the parts that stuck with me was when bond lost to Le Chiffre then went to get a drink looks at a knife, gives his line about

"do I look like I give a damn"


picks up the knife and proceeds to follow Le Chiffre and stab him

now thats when I knew that he had not become the "bond" we all know. It was very uncivilized and I liked it!

it was like

"hell what have I got to loss? i'm gonna cut the bastard"
 
man, i just got back from seeing the film, and it was awesome. everyone was great. I thought Mads was one of the best villians ever! Great flick -great f-ing flick!
 
One of the things that surprised me was how much the crowd was into it. They laughed, they ohh and ahhed in the right scenes (bad oohs as well) Balls. :csasd:
 
Golgo13:The Hitman said:
I think it might have looked better, if once Bond snapped out of his ***** whipped state, he actually let her die. So during his attempted rescue of her, we get a shot of Bond coming to his senses and just simply floating back to the surface leaving her there; thus the birth of the cold womaniser we all know and love!
but he was acting on his emotions.personally i thought it was wonderfully updated from the books version.great emotion played out underwater by both actors.When the emotions had settled and he thought,that is when his coldness came to him.imo
 
I've gotta see this movie again, or get it on bootleg; i need something to hold me over until the dvd comes out!
 
Golgo13:The Hitman said:
I've gotta see this movie again, or get it on bootleg; i need something to hold me over until the dvd comes out!
well i enjoyed it even more the second time round because i was not scrutinising craig any more.he simply was bond.
 
Isn't Bond 22 is already being written? I remember a while back on SHH front page mentioning something about that.
 
Golgo13:The Hitman said:
Isn't Bond 22 is already being written? I remember a while back on SHH front page mentioning something about that.



bond's continued growth into the James bond we all know
a brief video messege from Vesper
and the pursuit of vespers boyfriend
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=4418
Craig is signed to do two additional Bond movies, in which he’ll learn more about the shadowy terrorist network he tangles with in Casino. Even Eva Green, who plays Bond love interest Vesper Lynd, found the plot confusing. “Barbara Broccoli helped me understand,” she says of the sequel, which will involve an old beau of Vesper’s who is mentioned in passing in Casino. “The plan is, the Algerian boyfriend is going to be the baddie in the second Bond, and we’ll understand [better].”
 
Sounds good. So that means he wasn't killed as others have speculated.
 
DACrowe said:
Bond found out about her treachery and out of shame and guilt she killed herself. Thus creating the woman-hating Bond we know today.
I think her motivations were actually very different than that.

When she leaves Bond in the Venice hotel, she's leaving to deliver the money to Gettler. But she also thinks she's going to her death (M says so on her phone convo with Bond, and this is also why Vesper leaves her cell phone behind with a text message addressed for Bond - so Bond can get Mr. White and his organization after she's dead). She's prepared and willing to die, knowing that she's ultimately preserving Bond's life. When she says good-bye to Bond in the hotel lobby, she takes him in one last time (it's a brilliant bit of acting by Eva Green).

However, things get messy. Bond puts stuff together, which she didn't intend, and thus she gets caught in the middle of a very ugly situation. But just as she was ready to die before, she's still ready to die. She knows that if she lives, she won't be safe from her employers. And neither will Bond. She kills herself to save him and her.
 
johnsonuk said:
yeah i am seeing it again tomorrow.oh and btw the dvd is released 28th march

Casino Royale was excellent!!!!!!!! I just went to go see it!!!!!!!!!!! It is sweet the dvd will be released on March 28th.
 
So is Mr.Whites organization the equivalent of S.P.E.C.T.R.E ?
 

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