The Amazing Spider-Man I love Spider-Man but I hope this movie fails.

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Spider-Man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s. Fast forward to 2005 and we have Batman Begins, the movie that began the other big tend of the past decade, the reboot. The success of Batman Begins showed the studios that fans were willing to shell out for re-imaginations of successful franchises that have died out. Since then we've gotten a reboot of just about every classic slasher series, many classic films from the 50s-80s, and even box office disappointments from the same decade (ie. 2003s Hulk and 2008s Incredible Hulk), but when do you draw the line? Whatever your opinions are, at this point to me, I think Sony has crossed said line.

The question many people have is "why reboot Spider-Man?", and the answer is greed. Now lets start by comparing Spider-Man 3 to two other final films in franchises that were ultimately rebooted, Batman and Robin of the Burton/Schumacher Batman series, and Ang Lees Hulk.

Batman & Robin
Budget: $125 million
Box Office Gross: $238,207,122
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %13 (rotten)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and poor critical reception.

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office Gross: $245,360,480
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %62 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and mixed critical reception.

Spider-Man 3
Budget: $258 million
Box Office Gross: $890,871,626
Critics Rating Via Rotten Tomatoes: %63 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disagreements with director Sam Raimi leading to his departure along with the rest of the cast and mixed Critical Reception.

Now what do these 3 movies have in common? At first glance it might seem like a substantial amount of poor reviews, but take a closer look at why Raimi and Co left and money becomes a second constant. How so? Well let us get into what Raimi had disagreements with the studio about, the villain. The same argument that lead to the late production rewrite of Spider-Man 3.

Sam and Ivan Raimi pen a story utilizing Harry Osborn, the Sandman, and the Vulture as the antagonists for the third installment in the Spider-Man franchise. The studio however has been feeling pressure from the fans to force the inclusion of Venom into the story, believing he is most marketable. Raimi having openly acknowledged his dislike for the character since the release of the first film, was opposed but ultimately caved, removing the vulture and giving his small part to Venom. What was the end result? A huge campaign centering Venom that lead to record breaking opening day/weekend box office numbers, and a disappointed fan base.

In the end what did the studio learn about manipulating the director and his creative vision? That it leads to huge box office yields. So in Spider-Man 4 when Sam Raimi wanted to use the Vulture (an old man they didnt find marketable), the studio knew they had to spice it up. Their solution, the Vultress, a new villainess who happens to be named Felicia Hardy to attract fans. In the end Raimi and James Vanderbilt came up with a convoluted story that Sam just didnt think was up to par. Rather than reasoning with him, the studio said they were going to stand firm and he chose to leave.

What's big deal? The way Sony handled Spider-Man 3 and the canceled 4 show they hold the director and writer's creative vision very low in their priorities. Rather than resistance it seems they prefer to someone who will just act as a figurative marionette puppet as they pull the strings, pandering to the fans. Sony once said they could not see themselves signing off on a villian like the Lizard (because he is so strange looking). After the reboot was announced buz about the Lizard surfaced (because we saw connors in the Raimi series but never his alter ego) and low and behold the "strange looking" antagonist they signed off on.

In conclusion I think the studios need a message that they cant just pull the George Lucas card and expect to make boat loads of money. They need to have a colaborative effort with the cast, writers, and director in order to come up with a quality narrative that has us coming back again and again for more. I'll end by saying this to those who might laugh what I just said off because they disliked the Raimi/MaGuire Spider-Man Trilogy and like where Marc Webb is going. If they did it once and got away with it, whats changed that will stop them from repeating what made them money in the past?
 
I have to say I was a bit disappointed to hear of the reboot, but I have now come to terms with it and will try to keep an open mind. In the beginning I wasn't a big fan of Tobey Maguire playing the part of Peter Parker, I ended up loving him.
 
canceling spider-man 4 caused Sony a LOT of money, I would say that they may have learned from their mistakes. From the looks of the film they give Marc Webb a lot of freedom to do his own thing, so I'm not worried at all
 
Not going to even bother reading what you said, because going on the title alone... you're a Raimi basher and not a Spider-Man fan. "I hope this movie fails." Do you have any idea how childish that sounds?

Raimi's Spider-Man was not perfect by any means. A reboot allows Webb to not make the same mistakes... and deliver another interpretation of a certain character that we all know and love. An interpretation which people may like even more than Raimi's.
 
They happened to play their cards right this time. If they wanted to take that true-to-roots, realistic reboot direction ala Batman Begins, then they are. And the realistic direction works for a relatable character like Spider-Man.

It might not work for the Raimi-loving crowd, but it is for those who are still keeping an open mind about this reboot.
 
Not going to even bother reading what you said, because going on the title alone... you're a Raimi basher and not a Spider-Man fan. "I hope this movie fails." Do you have any idea how childish that sounds?

You should actually just read the post since its anti studio greed/interference not bashing Raimi.
 
You should actually just read the post since its anti studio greed/interference not bashing Raimi.

Hmm, so I did read it.

And urm, what, he doesn't want them to reboot and is warning of yet another reboot?

Like that's a huge surprise. Spider-Man will be rebooted again by 2025 again anyways.

Assuming TASM isn't a box office failure which Sony doesn't decide to give a sequel and TASM 2 and TASM 3 are out by 2014 and 2016 or 2017.
 
How does anyone know what went down between Raimi and the studio on SM3 and SM4?

Because some people act like they were there and know Raimi was cheated somehow.
 
It was easy to determine why they rebooted:

Spider-Man 3 left a sour taste in people's mouths for Raimi's Spider-Man. Production for Spider-Man 4 broke down and nobody wanted to come back for it.

Sony's not going to let their cash cow to wither away into nothing, so they decided to reboot it.

Let's all just be glad this reboot isn't something that's half-assed so they don't lose the rights.
 
and for the record I want to see a trilogy with Andrew Garfield that is more grounded than Raimi's trilogy with wisecracks, webshooters, and the death of Gwen Stacy.

After that Marvel can get the rights back.

BTW - All blockbusters are made out of greed. All of them.
 
I don't think Sony will ever give up Spider-man. It's their biggest cash cow ever.

Even if ASM bombs they'll find a way to keep the rights.
 
You can't call yourself a Spider Man fan if you hope this movie is bad. ALL MOVIES, EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. IS DONE FOR MONEY.

What difference does it make? It's an industry. Thats what many people do for a LIVING, is work on these films. And also, had they made Spider Man 4, IT WOULD OF BEEN A DISASTER. Raimi hated the scripts, the actors have gotten old, everyone except a small few were SICK of it. Get over it. And I don't think a director who sabotaged his own film just to stick it to Sony should get another chance. He's done 3 movies, he's butchered Venom, he's messed up continuity with Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer, he made Peter Parker a joke in the black suit when he should of been a dark troubled character. And don't even get me started on New Goblin.

You have a right to your opinion, but I have a right to mine, which is that you're dumbass
 
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I hated Maguire as Peter Parker. I hated Raimi's utter cartoony dialgoue and "all about a girl" vision for Spider-Man, and I hated Venom-lite.

Thank you reboot gods.

The end.
 
I think the main reason Sony decided to reboot the franchise was that Sony was not willing to roll out mega budget movie, as the company itself is facing financial difficulties, for SM 4, the entire cast and crew of Raimi would have demanded higher paychecks and the villain and story required big budget for SFX work, at that time Sony already had in place a reboot plan as they were going to do a reboot after SM4 anyway, even then they gave Raimi a chance to put forward his ideas but that did not please the Sony's execs. who decided Reboot was the best way forward citing creative differences.
 
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The OP, who call themselves a Spider-Man fan, wants the new Spider-Man movie to fail? Hmm. People can huff and puff all they like but it's not going to change the fact Raimi's Spider-Man franchise is over. Can't we at least hope we get another great, and maybe better, Spider-Man franchise? We all get a wide range of various filmmakers' takes on our favourite comic-book characters. I'm sorry, but what's not to like? Or as the expression goes, are we going to 'cut our nose just to spite our face'?
 
Spider-Man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s. Fast forward to 2005 and we have Batman Begins, the movie that began the other big tend of the past decade, the reboot. The success of Batman Begins showed the studios that fans were willing to shell out for re-imaginations of successful franchises that have died out. Since then we've gotten a reboot of just about every classic slasher series, many classic films from the 50s-80s, and even box office disappointments from the same decade (ie. 2003s Hulk and 2008s Incredible Hulk), but when do you draw the line? Whatever your opinions are, at this point to me, I think Sony has crossed said line.

The question many people have is "why reboot Spider-Man?", and the answer is greed. Now lets start by comparing Spider-Man 3 to two other final films in franchises that were ultimately rebooted, Batman and Robin of the Burton/Schumacher Batman series, and Ang Lees Hulk.

Batman & Robin
Budget: $125 million
Box Office Gross: $238,207,122
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %13 (rotten)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and poor critical reception.

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office Gross: $245,360,480
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %62 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and mixed critical reception.

Spider-Man 3
Budget: $258 million
Box Office Gross: $890,871,626
Critics Rating Via Rotten Tomatoes: %63 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disagreements with director Sam Raimi leading to his departure along with the rest of the cast and mixed Critical Reception.

Now what do these 3 movies have in common? At first glance it might seem like a substantial amount of poor reviews, but take a closer look at why Raimi and Co left and money becomes a second constant. How so? Well let us get into what Raimi had disagreements with the studio about, the villain. The same argument that lead to the late production rewrite of Spider-Man 3.

Sam and Ivan Raimi pen a story utilizing Harry Osborn, the Sandman, and the Vulture as the antagonists for the third installment in the Spider-Man franchise. The studio however has been feeling pressure from the fans to force the inclusion of Venom into the story, believing he is most marketable. Raimi having openly acknowledged his dislike for the character since the release of the first film, was opposed but ultimately caved, removing the vulture and giving his small part to Venom. What was the end result? A huge campaign centering Venom that lead to record breaking opening day/weekend box office numbers, and a disappointed fan base.

In the end what did the studio learn about manipulating the director and his creative vision? That it leads to huge box office yields. So in Spider-Man 4 when Sam Raimi wanted to use the Vulture (an old man they didnt find marketable), the studio knew they had to spice it up. Their solution, the Vultress, a new villainess who happens to be named Felicia Hardy to attract fans. In the end Raimi and James Vanderbilt came up with a convoluted story that Sam just didnt think was up to par. Rather than reasoning with him, the studio said they were going to stand firm and he chose to leave.

What's big deal? The way Sony handled Spider-Man 3 and the canceled 4 show they hold the director and writer's creative vision very low in their priorities. Rather than resistance it seems they prefer to someone who will just act as a figurative marionette puppet as they pull the strings, pandering to the fans. Sony once said they could not see themselves signing off on a villian like the Lizard (because he is so strange looking). After the reboot was announced buz about the Lizard surfaced (because we saw connors in the Raimi series but never his alter ego) and low and behold the "strange looking" antagonist they signed off on.

In conclusion I think the studios need a message that they cant just pull the George Lucas card and expect to make boat loads of money. They need to have a colaborative effort with the cast, writers, and director in order to come up with a quality narrative that has us coming back again and again for more. I'll end by saying this to those who might laugh what I just said off because they disliked the Raimi/MaGuire Spider-Man Trilogy and like where Marc Webb is going. If they did it once and got away with it, whats changed that will stop them from repeating what made them money in the past?

I myself really like the idea of one creative team doing a series of movies and having another team come on and doing their own version. Like with comics themselves.
 
you havent even seen a bloody trailer for it yet, shut up till you do.. you sound like a baby. So what if it's a reboot. from what i have seen so far it seems like they were correcting all the mistakes they made in the raimi trilogy, also maguire was getting too old for the part.. i can't wait to see this trailer. You are not a true spider-man fan cuz if you were no matter how many times it gets rebooted you would be happy to just see it onscreen, is it your money your spending to make it? no. so if it sucks, it sucks, no skin off your back, but at least they tried and didn't just make a ****** movie quick out the gate to retain the rights.. From what i seen so far, it seems they are taking their time with it.. well written immature post is all it was..
 
Hahaha I'm sorry but guys like you MJOD just piss me off. Because you're so stupid!
 
Spider-Man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s. Fast forward to 2005 and we have Batman Begins, the movie that began the other big tend of the past decade, the reboot. The success of Batman Begins showed the studios that fans were willing to shell out for re-imaginations of successful franchises that have died out. Since then we've gotten a reboot of just about every classic slasher series, many classic films from the 50s-80s, and even box office disappointments from the same decade (ie. 2003s Hulk and 2008s Incredible Hulk), but when do you draw the line? Whatever your opinions are, at this point to me, I think Sony has crossed said line.

Just want to get one thing clear. There is a difference between a remake and a reboot. Remake's of things like old horror movies, which re-use the same plot, characters (and their characterisation), are almost always a cheap and sad immitation of the original and rarely successful.

But when you take a popular character and tell a NEW story about him, perhaps with different characters, different settings, and an angle that adds an interesting perspective to the character that fans of the franchise have never seen before on film - you have the potential for something very successful.

With Superhero franchises, there are constantly new ideas, new projects, new people and teams producing new stories.

Just because Raimi started Spiderman's success in the medium of film off, doesn't mean he should rule that roost and no one else, no other creative vision, should be allowed to add another story to Spiderman's gallery.

What good would ASM's failure do?

Your saying it would prove some point to the studio?

I think it'd prove the WRONG point.

Like you said, although Spiderman 3 was disliked by the fans, it made a lot of money. So in their eyes, their interference by adding venom proved a financial success. People DID get excited about venom.

Raimi didn't stay on. And perhaps realising how bad a reputation Spiderman 3 was getting for the negative fan reaction, they've gone with a reboot.

And instead of continuing their insane thinking of having felicia hardy as the vultress, they've seen the success of Superhero films with a more serious tone, and decided to give that a try. Let Marc Webb tell a different kind of story.

If it fails? Surely that tells the studio that they were right all along. That they should stick with their crazy ideas, based soley on the quick buck they might make with movies that are more like Transformers - all action and hot chicks, no brain.

I don't want that.

Personally I hope this movie is very successful.

As it sends a message to Sony that says 'See what happens when you don't **** with the directors vision?'

Sam and Ivan Raimi pen a story utilizing Harry Osborn, the Sandman, and the Vulture as the antagonists for the third installment in the Spider-Man franchise. The studio however has been feeling pressure from the fans to force the inclusion of Venom into the story, believing he is most marketable. Raimi having openly acknowledged his dislike for the character since the release of the first film, was opposed but ultimately caved, removing the vulture and giving his small part to Venom. What was the end result? A huge campaign centering Venom that lead to record breaking opening day/weekend box office numbers, and a disappointed fan base.

I have to ask... Couldn't Raimi have said NO.

Did he have some sort of insane contract that said 'I will do whatever Sony tells me to do'?

I mean, if he felt so strongly about it, could he not have just put his foot down?

He went a long with Sony, not because he's some poor victim, but because he wanted the money too. He didn't want to be kicked off the project.

Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure a lot of directors would have done the same. But he didn't exactly hide his dislike of venom well within the film. As a venom fan, I personally found it an intentional mockery of the character. And that was incredibly unfair.
 
I hated Maguire as Peter Parker.

garfield could give a similar performance...

I hated Raimi's utter cartoony dialgoue

could happen in the reboot (with another writer)...

and "all about a girl" vision for Spider-Man,

could happen in the reboot...

and I hated Venom-lite.

could happen in the reboot...


Thank you reboot gods.

careful what you wish for, you have no idea how good (or bad) the new movie is going to be...



it may be if the movie bombs...
 
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When I first heard about this reboot I was pretty disappointed as I was looking forward to seeing where they'd take things after SP3. But then shortly after we had rumours of what would have been Spidey 4 and I didn't like anything about it.

Then Andrew was cast and the first thing I said was he looks like Parker wow. Fast Forward to now and I'm pretty excited for this reboot. It just looks like it could be better than what we have seen before. I love the bright colours of the suit and its style, the actors they have chosen, wise cracking spidey, web shooters, and of course THE LIZARD!!!

I think in the end a reboot was needed as there were quite a few restrictions trying to continue the previous trilogy.
 
If the movie fails, Sony might end up being reluctant to make another, and then everyone loses.
 
He's not a Spider-Man fan, he's simply a Raimi fan and nothing else.
 
I glad there is a reboot. I didn't want the next movie to continue in the raimi universe and the trend for most (all?) superhero movies is if the 3rd movies sucks then the 4th movie is unbearable so it is probably just as well to hit the 'reset' button.

my only problem with the reboot is the retelling of the origin. for me TDK, X2 and SM2 work well because they have already established the characters and they just get on with it, but with that said SM1 and IM the origin is so interesting the 'superhero' aspect is an almost after thought.
 
I know it's been said but there's no way you can be a spider man fan and want the flick to fail and I really really wish people would stop assuming they know what happened behind closed doors at the studio. Disagreements with directors writers and studios happen ALL THE TIME. Rami isn't the first guy to deal with it and he won't b the last so this idea that they wanted a puppet they could control completely goes against whatever Marc Webb has said. In the empire interview he said he was having a meeting with Sony for one idea and they ended up asking him to do spidey and he told them he wasn't sure yet. He said the only reason he decided to do it was if he could do it his way and they agreed. It's not 2007 anymore, let it go lol. Sam Rami isn't losing sleep over it while he counts his millions and neither are is any other cast member. They were going to be replaced eventually like it was bound to happen and there was already a plan in place for it to happen. They're going to reboot batman in a couple years and this conversation will start all over again but it's so naive and silly. Business is business and if they were REALLY being greedy like some people say, they would continue along the path for spider man 4 and print money but they didn't. They are taking a risk rebooting it and also changing creative direction after negative feedback from the last product. Aren't people always complaining that they wished studios or companies would listen to the fans? Sony listened twice, once with venom and now with the reboot. They said they wanted venom they got him. They said spider man 3 was meh so they started over. Look, the story ended. The story was the goblin legacy mixed in with Pete coming of age and eventually forgiving his uncle's killer. Once Pete does that his story is done because he will no longer feel guilty and guilt is such a huge defining factor in who he is and why he does what he does. With the story written that way, rebooting was the only possible answer
 
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