Sequels I want Spidey joking!

[Spider-Vader]

I want Spidey to joke around in these movies. I don't want Deadpool to be the only joking super. Anyone with me?

 

[Visionary]

One batch of dodo jokes coming up...

 

[boog_spin]

yeh that'd be cool..i thought as the movies went on and he became more comfortable being spidey, more confident, he'd start being a smartass as he fought these guys...

but i was wrong haha

 

[Mike]

Too much and it will get annoying. There has to be a balance. It should be done like how Paul Rudd does it in Knocked Up and 40 year old virgin. Man if he was younger he would be my perfect cast as Spidey.

 

[Mutagen]

That would be really cool. I always found it clever when Spider-man jokes, it cracks me up.

 

[Blader5489]

He's already joked around a lot in the movies. He just can't be doing it constantly, like in the comics.

 

[November Rain]

he will as soon as they recast maguire. He's too set in the pre-spidey parker and can't evolve out of the bumbling idiot kid.

The reason we won't get a joking spiderman is because raimi failed to acknowledge the joking spidey comes from the arrogant spidey with the origin of using his powers to get fame and trample on those people who thought he was an outcast, spidey was his escapism and this arrogance ultimately led to him leaving the robber to go and his uncle getting killed.

but raimi instead made him a victim and victims don't have any reason to feel beat up by the world.

 

[Mutagen]

he will as soon as they recast maguire. He's too set in the pre-spidey parker and can't evolve out of the bumbling idiot kid.

The reason we won't get a joking spiderman is because raimi failed to acknowledge the joking spidey comes from the arrogant spidey with the origin of using his powers to get fame and trample on those people who thought he was an outcast, spidey was his escapism and this arrogance ultimately led to him leaving the robber to go and his uncle getting killed.

but raimi instead made him a victim and victims don't have any reason to feel beat up by the world.

Definitely something I would change about the first one; make Spider-man completely at fault for letting the Burgler get away. I would've done the same had somebody cheated be out of 3 grand. Had I the power, I would stop him if he was robbing a complete stranger, but the Web-Head didn't, and that makes for a more complex hero. It would also explain his almost obsessive nature in doing the right thing a lot more, but then Spider-man 2 wouldn't have him quit so easily.

I'm not even going into what I think about Sandman killing Uncle Ben.

 

[Visionary]

he will as soon as they recast maguire. He's too set in the pre-spidey parker and can't evolve out of the bumbling idiot kid.

The reason we won't get a joking spiderman is because raimi failed to acknowledge the joking spidey comes from the arrogant spidey with the origin of using his powers to get fame and trample on those people who thought he was an outcast, spidey was his escapism and this arrogance ultimately led to him leaving the robber to go and his uncle getting killed.

but raimi instead made him a victim and victims don't have any reason to feel beat up by the world.

And MARVEL approved it all. Recasting and getting a new director isn't going to stop Marvel from allowing and wanting changes to their most famous characters. It has to start with Marvel, they have the power and final say over the content of the script, no matter who writes it, not the actor(s) or director. Again I say, Marvel like changes to their beloved Spidey, fanboys don't. So my question is...what are YOU going to do about it?

 

[Blader5489]

he will as soon as they recast maguire. He's too set in the pre-spidey parker and can't evolve out of the bumbling idiot kid.

Except that Maguire is the one ad libbing those jokes. If you ever listened to the director's commentary, Maguire is one of the most colorful members of the cast.

If you think there isn't enough "witty banter" in the movie, then blame it on the director or the writer, not Maguire.

Definitely something I would change about the first one; make Spider-man completely at fault for letting the Burgler get away.

Wtf? That's exactly what happened in the movie.

 

[Mutagen]

Wtf? That's exactly what happened in the movie.

Well technically it was his fault, but I would have done the exact same thing in his position. I would've like to see more that he didn't have a reason to let him go, other than revenge. That everything was going Spidey's way, yet he didn't apease karma by helping the wrestling guys catch the robber.

 

[DACrowe]

I want a million dollars.

Don't always get what we want.

 

[dodgers2213]

He's already joked around a lot in the movies. He just can't be doing it constantly, like in the comics.

too bad they were horrible, dry, and not memorable.

Tony Stark had far more memorable jokes in Iron Man

 

[November Rain]

Again I say, Marvel like changes to their beloved Spidey, fanboys don't. So my question is...what are YOU going to do about it?

Well ultimately if they are making changes and it affects the quality of their products, then i stop buying their products which i pretty much already have.

so I do put my money where my mouth is, I give each film the right to have a cinematic viewing but if i don't like it, i don't watch it again, or at least legitimately with using snippets from the internet to help build my case about why i felt they didn't make the mark.

I really don't collect marvel comics anymore except for the odd ultimate title and that's reducing down to a bare minimum now.

 

[November Rain]

Except that Maguire is the one ad libbing those jokes. If you ever listened to the director's commentary, Maguire is one of the most colorful members of the cast.

It's the wrong type of witty, I doubt he gets the character well but maybe that's direction or maybe thats just being not a great method actor.

Even if the material was there, his delivery for the majority of what we saw in the last three films were kinda bad, I mean what the hell was with all the bobbing around pretending to be a sheriff while facing sandy.

 

[November Rain]

oh for all of you that want a definitive proper spidey story that shows how sarcasm is built into the character and the effects of an origin on the character, please watch this clip from make a wish from tas.


the important bit is about half way in.

Notice he doesn't get involved with the robber purely for no other reason other than 'He's a wrestler not a cop' and all he cared about was 'taking care of number one' and how he wanted to 'show off to all his high school people who thought he was a nerd'.

Peter parker was born arrogant, he wasn't forced into making uncle ben's killer get away, he was an unprovoked ass originally.

 

[Blader5489]

It's the wrong type of witty, I doubt he gets the character well but maybe that's direction or maybe thats just being not a great method actor.

Even if the material was there, his delivery for the majority of what we saw in the last three films were kinda bad, I mean what the hell was with all the bobbing around pretending to be a sheriff while facing sandy.

Apparently you didn't even watch the movie, otherwise you'd know that Peter's inflated sense of self was what set him down his path of self-destruction.

As for the "wrong type of witty", that's subjective. People have different tastes in humor and, like yourself, will bound to complain about one thing or another in that aspect of the character. (Personally, I find most of Spidey's banter in the comics/cartoons to be more annoying than funny.) But if you're arguing that Spidey never joked around in these movies, then you're just flat out wrong.

 

[Styleshift]

It's a core aspect of the character's personality.
It also sets him apart from most hero's and is a DEFINING trait.
not only that but he uses it to distract his enemies.

but taking his banter out is like taking the dark elements out of batman.

I personally find his banter funny...and it balances out things.
Spidey in the movies was just a depressed guy in a mask. that really brings down the fun of the movie for me.

 

[MrShifty]

Spidey being a wiseass was my favorite part about the character.
It was a distraction tool for his enemy.
and it showed how much of a change that a shy peter parker went through went he became spider-man. I wouldn't call SPider-Man a clown though as he is a wise ass.

 

[Visionary]

You kids and your dodo jokes, I bet you all were born under a tent with a big red nose.

You all are fighting to put cringe worthy lame ass jokes into the movie, and I'm fighting to keep them out. Simply because under this Disney-like hold that both Marvel and Sony has Spider-Man under, it'll just add to the childish and immature nature of the writing. You have to first add some mature themes and situations, increase the intensity (drama & action/fighting sequences) and allow the villain(s) to be a badasses who kill without turning them into goody two shoes. Where the world around Spider-Man is mostly serious, and he's the only witty bantering MoFo on the block. No JJJ or Bruce Campbell BS! Then you can add your Spidey's trademark banter, and even then it must be carefully planned and not over done.

 

[Mutagen]

You kids and your dodo jokes, I bet you all were born under a tent with a big red nose.

You all are fighting to put cringe worthy lame ass jokes into the movie, and I'm fighting to keep them out. Simply because under this Disney-like hold that both Marvel and Sony has Spider-Man under, it'll just add to the childish and immature nature of the writing. You have to first add some mature themes and situations, increase the intensity (drama & action/fighting sequences) and allow the villain(s) to be a badasses who kill without turning them into goody two shoes. Where the world around Spider-Man is mostly serious, and he's the only witty bantering MoFo on the block. No JJJ or Bruce Campbell BS! Then you can add your Spidey's trademark banter, and even then it must be carefully planned and not over done.

I thought that the Spider-man series could use action when I first saw them, but then I thought about saving some ideas for the sequels. After all, the same fighting and web slinging techniques over and over get dull after a while.

I'm sure some mature humor can fit in somewhere other than Spidey. Not saying the villains should be laughable, but they should have a sense of irony and cleverness to them. I thought Willem Defoe's interpretation was well executed.

No JJJ jokes? I'm appalled.

I wouldn't have the Web-Head's jokes done any other way.

 

[Grievous]

I think the reason they make spidey saying a joke one after they other is because in the real world if your life was at risk you would not be a joking even if you were a super hero.

 

[Venomfan]

i bet they'd take away JJJ's jokes and make him more like the comic version if Spidey started joking. JJJ in the movies is the comic relief, in the comics spidey is the comic relief, it's like they flip flopped.

 

[November Rain]

Apparently you didn't even watch the movie, otherwise you'd know that Peter's inflated sense of self was what set him down his path of self-destruction.

It wasn't pete's, it was spiderman's inflated sense of self. It only came when spidey become a popular icon which shouldn't be happening in the first place

You've got the entire character wrong or I get more depth from him.

Pete ultimately thinks he can do better than this whole selfless praiseless superhero thing. He saves new york countless times but gets more hassle from the people he saves than the criminals.

spiderman should be dirt trash in the eyes of many with people ultimately unable to accept the positive role he provides, he doesn't get the respect of an avenger or the fantastic four, no praise no cash, he's the lil guy.

but he does it anyway because of the lessons his uncle taught him.

It's like the smartest person in the world being made to simply teach primary school people. HIs talents will never see their full potential but he made a promise and he'll try and stick to it because he knows what might happen if he doesn't.

The wit is a representation of that struggle, and the symbiote from tas allows this initial superiority he got when he first became spidey as well of the years of doing the lowly job to manifest itself again and only when the lives of others are threatened (going back to similar uncle ben catalysts) does he snap out of it.

As for the "wrong type of witty", that's subjective. People have different tastes in humor and, like yourself, will bound to complain about one thing or another in that aspect of the character. (Personally, I find most of Spidey's banter in the comics/cartoons to be more annoying than funny.) But if you're arguing that Spidey never joked around in these movies, then you're just flat out wrong.

The type of witty isn't subjective. Spidey is the King of sarcasm, his whole ordeal of going out doing the good deed isn't one he likes and is some sort of self loathing act he feels obliged to commit.

There are midly redeeming parts of his job with the odd thank you or recognition of his actions but he should be unliked which ultimately breeds his dry witty sarcastic nature.

Tas had a real dry sarcasm to it. Raimi's spiderman was trying to be comically funny most of the time. Maybe not necessarily the lines themselves but definitely there was too much enthusiams in the delivery. He should have been more like darla

not as dark or larthargic but more along those lines with his delivery, very dry.

I mean this dude can manufacture structures with his webbing worth billions of dollars commercially and sometimes he can't even fork up the money to make it properly so makes it out of toothpaste. These are the kinda issues that go through pete's mind but instead of becoming internally bitter, he uses it to his advantage, especially in battle.

 

[zanos]

Apparently you didn't even watch the movie, otherwise you'd know that Peter's inflated sense of self was what set him down his path of self-destruction.

As for the "wrong type of witty", that's subjective. People have different tastes in humor and, like yourself, will bound to complain about one thing or another in that aspect of the character. (Personally, I find most of Spidey's banter in the comics/cartoons to be more annoying than funny.) But if you're arguing that Spidey never joked around in these movies, then you're just flat out wrong.

Peter did not have an inflated sense of self. He was the same person he was before he was bit. He watched one crook robbing another crook right after he had robbed him. That's just simple justice. The majority of ppl would have done the same. How did this set him down the path of self destruction? lol.