Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Iain de Caestecker is Leo Fitz

[Mask&Cape]

Most cops go their entire career without discharging their weapon. By your logic, it makes perfect sense to send a cop out on the streets without training.

no - this isn't my "logic" at all

police officers require such training because most of them will spend time in the streets.

not all SHIELD agents will be "in the field" - again the first episode as the doctor stated FitzSimmons was not cleared for such activity and said that he understood it was not going to be an issue - they'd be in the lab on the Bus or under the care of Ward and Coulson when not

clearly this is not an unusual situation for agents of FitzSimmons backgrounds

I'm not arguing about what the show presented...I'm just lamenting the fact that SHIELD had such low standards for things. As I mentioned before...a SHIELD agent shot a superior officer in the Hub while hacking into the organization's computer system to steal secret information....and she faced no consequences for her act. I know that this is how SHIELD operates...and I think it's a shame. It appeared to be a much more serious organization in the films.

I'm afraid it does seem to me that you are arguing about how the show is presented

nothing in the movies contradicts how the TV series presents SHIELD agents

in fact Avengers and The Winter Soldier backs it up - when the helicarrier is attacked in Avengers SHIELD agents outnumber Loki's men in the bridge yet SHIELD is clearly overwhelmed -
in The Winter Soldier Rumlow holds a gun to a techs head who is clearly not prepared for such a situation and yet stands his ground out of his own courage (even Carter, who is trained in combat, is frightened too)

going to cinema

catch you guys laters

 

[marcvader]

Seriously? You think that SHIELD agents would be held to a lesser standard than the FBI? Especially agents assigned to an allegedly elite unit that is sent into dangerous situations as a matter of course?

Elite in their expertise perhaps.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Seriously? You think that SHIELD agents would be held to a lesser standard than the FBI? Especially agents assigned to an allegedly elite unit that is sent into dangerous situations as a matter of course?

no I never said that they are inferior

I said they are not the FBI

that is the way the FBI does it does not mean SHIELD does it too

 

[Mask&Cape]

Elite in their expertise perhaps.

dead on


laters

got to go or I'll be late

 

[Heretic]

The point is that Fitz was sent out without training because "oh, he'll never be needed in the field" when in fact he has repeatedly been needed in the field. He has less field training than your average beat cop, and the fate of the world rests on his shoulders.

But yes, my problem is the way the show is presented. The agents often seem more like keystone cops than elite agents. I get that it's for comedic effect...I just don't appreciate many of the attempts at comedy when it sacrifices drama.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

The point is that Fitz was sent out without training because "oh, he'll never be needed in the field" when in fact he has repeatedly been needed in the field. He has less field training than your average beat cop, and the fate of the world rests on his shoulders.

But yes, my problem is the way the show is presented. The agents often seem more like keystone cops than elite agents. I get that it's for comedic effect...I just don't appreciate many of the attempts at comedy when it sacrifices drama.

You mean you don't like the fact that AoS is like The Blacklist. Both have elite agents that regularly have their home base raided and over-run, and both regularly lose supposedly highly trained elite agents.

Hell even in The Man From UNCLE Mr Waverley had to cope with the base being over-run

 

[Mask&Cape]

The point is that Fitz was sent out without training because "oh, he'll never be needed in the field" when in fact he has repeatedly been needed in the field. He has less field training than your average beat cop, and the fate of the world rests on his shoulders.

But yes, my problem is the way the show is presented. The agents often seem more like keystone cops than elite agents. I get that it's for comedic effect...I just don't appreciate many of the attempts at comedy when it sacrifices drama.

at no point in the show are Coulson's team or any agent portrayed as incompetent buffoons like the keystone cops

please re-read your first paragraph - this is a key element of the characters of FitzSimmons and Skye

they are not action heroes and yet they overcome their fears and save the day

and they are the most loyal and courageous members of the team

again - variety in make up of characters is important - this is where the "dramatic effect" of the show comes from

Agents of SHIELD is about a team of secret agents of different skills, background and personalities

if you want a show of a somewhat similar nature but features characters with the skills you speak ok of there is The Unit and The A-Team, where it is necessary to the plot that the characters are all soldiers with various skills in other subjects

just as it is necessary to the plot of Agents of SHIELD that not all the characters are trained in combat

I understand why you are using real world examples and even with the Marvel world the FBI, Mossad, MI5, etc. have various training requirements

but simply put SHIELD does not work that way

this is the way it is established and I really don't understand the problem

if it contradicted the SHIELD of the movies I\d see your point, but it doesn't

in The Winter Soldier, the Lemurian Star is hijacked and it is clear from what we see of the hostages that many of them are not trained for the situation, which is why agents like Cap and Widow come to the rescue

 

[Mask&Cape]

You mean you don't like the fact that AoS is like The Blacklist. Both have elite agents that regularly have their home base raided and over-run, and both regularly lose supposedly highly trained elite agents.

Hell even in The Man From UNCLE Mr Waverley had to cope with the base being over-run

I do not want to give details as I don't like to spoil stories but very much exaggerating about The Blacklist

also what do you mean by "elite agents"?

they are up against the elite of the criminal world but I don't know why you are saying that the agents are elite

 

[Tony007]

Has someone seen/discuss this here already?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015381/fullcredits

In the GotG credits, Robert Firth is mention as "Dr. Fitz"

Any thoughts?

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

I do not want to give details as I don't like to spoil stories but very much exaggerating about The Blacklist

also what do you mean by "elite agents"?

they are up against the elite of the criminal world but I don't know why you are saying that the agents are elite

Re The Blacklist, I was trying to emphasis the point that on TV even top/elite agents get over-run from time to time for dramatic effect.

Without giving too much away, in The Blacklist the team are clearly special as they don't work out of a standard FBI office, also many of the team in The Blacklist are not your average FBI agents. Dressler was a special ops, Meera was CIA, They have a specialist Hacker/Tech and Megan as the only generalist on the team. So even here the characters have differing skill sets. There was even an example where the hacker/tech guy had to handle a gun, which isn't in his job description much like Fitz.

I think the point I was getting at was the drama requires mixed skills, also it's a standard trope for shows such as these.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Re The Blacklist, I was trying to emphasis the point that on TV even top/elite agents get over-run from time to time for dramatic effect.

Without giving too much away, in The Blacklist the team are clearly special as they don't work out of a standard FBI office, also many of the team in The Blacklist are not your average FBI agents. Dressler was a special ops, Meera was CIA, They have a specialist Hacker/Tech and Megan as the only generalist on the team. So even here the characters have differing skill sets. There was even an example where the hacker/tech guy had to handle a gun, which isn't in his job description much like Fitz.

I think the point I was getting at was the drama requires mixed skills, also it's a standard trope for shows such as these.

sorry, I misunderstood your post as a criticism of the show

I see now what you meant

that these things are required to drive the plot and character development on

yes

 

[Heretic]

at no point in the show are Coulson's team or any agent portrayed as incompetent buffoons like the keystone cops

please re-read your first paragraph - this is a key element of the characters of FitzSimmons and Skye

they are not action heroes and yet they overcome their fears and save the day

and they are the most loyal and courageous members of the team

again - variety in make up of characters is important - this is where the "dramatic effect" of the show comes from

Agents of SHIELD is about a team of secret agents of different skills, background and personalities

if you want a show of a somewhat similar nature but features characters with the skills you speak ok of there is The Unit and The A-Team, where it is necessary to the plot that the characters are all soldiers with various skills in other subjects

just as it is necessary to the plot of Agents of SHIELD that not all the characters are trained in combat

I understand why you are using real world examples and even with the Marvel world the FBI, Mossad, MI5, etc. have various training requirements

but simply put SHIELD does not work that way

this is the way it is established and I really don't understand the problem

if it contradicted the SHIELD of the movies I\d see your point, but it doesn't

in The Winter Soldier, the Lemurian Star is hijacked and it is clear from what we see of the hostages that many of them are not trained for the situation, which is why agents like Cap and Widow come to the rescue

The fate of the world was in doubt. SHIELD was in ruins and Hydra has taken a bunch of insanely powerful weapons of mas destruction. The remnants of SHIELD were in a hotel room, having gathered a few old, outdated weapons. It was all they had to fight the good fight to save the world. Skye, ignorant of what any of these weapons were, pushed a button and shorted out the power. Then...our genius Fitz carelessly uses a laser and sets the curtains on fire. They did this right in the middle of a major threat against the entire world. They acted like buffoons in a comic relief segment during the time when the fate of the world was on their shoulders. It made the team look like careless morons. I have no training at all, but even I am smart enough to not just go pressing buttons on weapons that I'm not familiar with.

 

[Mask&Cape]

The fate of the world was in doubt. SHIELD was in ruins and Hydra has taken a bunch of insanely powerful weapons of mas destruction. The remnants of SHIELD were in a hotel room, having gathered a few old, outdated weapons. It was all they had to fight the good fight to save the world. Skye, ignorant of what any of these weapons were, pushed a button and shorted out the power. Then...our genius Fitz carelessly uses a laser and sets the curtains on fire. They did this right in the middle of a major threat against the entire world. They acted like buffoons in a comic relief segment during the time when the fate of the world was on their shoulders. It made the team look like careless morons. I have no training at all, but even I am smart enough to not just go pressing buttons on weapons that I'm not familiar with.

Actually that isn't what being a buffoon is - the defination of the word is something else

and the topic has jumped completely to something else

this type of humor has been used in action movies and TV shows for decades - Indiana Jones, James Bond, and the Marvel movies themselves

you seem to want something that takes itself more seriously - this isn't going to happen with this show or any of the Marvel movies

I don't know what to say to you - when I don't like a TV show I stop watching , if one goes in a direction I that doesn't entertain me I either wait and see or I drop it

I don't want to cause offence or seem rude, but (and please tell me if I'm wronging you here) but you appear to be bypassing certain points that are offered and giving them a counter argument

I'll be honest with you and say I really am not sure if we are going to get anywhere with this

because I assume you feel the same about Simmons, not clear how you feel about Skye but in this post you consider her incompetent, you dislike the way SHIELD is run, and you don't like the humour (which is an essential part of this show and Whedon's work in general) - if I felt this way I'd bail - wouldn't spend my time on a message board

not that you shouldn't - I wouldn't make a statement like that

I just think we'll get no where and I'd rather have a constructive argument

 

[Mask&Cape]

The fate of the world was in doubt.

Not with Coulson on the job

 

[Alex_Kidd]

Meanwhile in the Guardian's IMDB...

 

[queenkale]

Meanwhile in the Guardian's IMDB...

Could just be a coincidence, but if it isn't, is GotG supposed to take place in the future?

 

[Mask&Cape]

Could just be a coincidence, but if it isn't, is GotG supposed to take place in the future?

no it's not set in the future

 

[iambranded]

I hope Fitz comes back more determined to get into combat training, and thats about it....i hope they don't turn him into a vegetable.....they should quickly have him recover with in the first couple of episodes...and more on from it to better story lines

 

[Bones Jackson]

I hope he comes back with an American accent.

 

[Demileto]

Could just be a coincidence

It's IMDB, it *COULD* be a false casting. However, IF this is a true one, there's no way they'd name the character Dr. Fitz and not intend to link him to Leo Fitz, especially with his revealing his father's abscense in his life during Koenig's interrogatory in "Nothing Personal".

 

[David_99]

I hope he comes back with an American accent.

Like Stephen Hawking?

 

[Xeno]

The fate of the world was in doubt. SHIELD was in ruins and Hydra has taken a bunch of insanely powerful weapons of mas destruction. The remnants of SHIELD were in a hotel room, having gathered a few old, outdated weapons. It was all they had to fight the good fight to save the world. Skye, ignorant of what any of these weapons were, pushed a button and shorted out the power. Then...our genius Fitz carelessly uses a laser and sets the curtains on fire. They did this right in the middle of a major threat against the entire world. They acted like buffoons in a comic relief segment during the time when the fate of the world was on their shoulders. It made the team look like careless morons. I have no training at all, but even I am smart enough to not just go pressing buttons on weapons that I'm not familiar with.

That scene was an unpleasant throwback to the earlier episodes where the team acted like idiots. It was written by Jeffrey Wright, who also wrote Eye Spy in which Skye, Fitz and Simmons almost got themselves killed by stupidly ****ing around while staking out Akelah Amador's hideout. It wasn't funny, it was stupid.

 

[seahammer]

Poor Fitz. Season 2 premiere episode was heartbreaking.

 

[marcvader]

Yes, it is sad. I was thinking hed be wheelchair bound or something but this is worse in my opinion.

 

[Human Torch]

Looked like Leo's hair had gotten a bit lighter.At first I thought he went grey from his ordeal.