The Dark Knight Rises IESB Exclusive: Third BATMAN Film in Script Stage

[HUMANIMAL]

Selina would definitely be a better foil for Bruce, because she breaks the law (albeit in a less righteous manner than Batman), but also possesses a moral code.

the most interesting relationship ever!!!!

 

[HUMANIMAL]

no time for love cause he just dont want to ...better.... instead of h no it could affect you....cause i fight crime and they chase everyone i love......catwoman would give a f.... on that cause ...but now batman is just too sad for a romance ...

 

[sabetoonth]

what? it might make more sense without the dots

 

[HUMANIMAL]

just sayin that i like the idea that batman just dont want a new romantic affair, not becaues of the old: " it could get you in danger story" but just because he wont allow such feelings anymore...he's just sad and down after the death of rachel.

 

[mrbrownie]

300 was more of a sausage-fest than BB/TDK, but...yeah.

That's the thing about Rachel in TDK. I think Bruce was in love with the Rachel he knew before he left, just as Rachel was in love with the Bruce she knew before he left. By the time TDK happens, Rachel was already pretty much off his bandwagon. The two just have completely different, irreconcilable ways of looking at the law.

You can see it in Alfred's face as he's trying to explain to her what Bruce and Harvey are doing. Rachel doesn't comprehend it at all, and Alfred knows that Bruce has already lost her.

Selina would definitely be a better foil for Bruce, because she breaks the law (albeit in a less righteous manner than Batman), but also possesses a moral code.

I almost completely agree. But I believe Bruce was never really in love with Rachel, I see it as an obsession, he lost his parents, and his "ordinary" life, Rachel functions like a memento to that life, and his parents, so he thought/thinks he truly loves her romantically, but he just loves the memories and feelings he relives when he sees her. And I think it would be a great moment in the next film if he realizes that she was a medium for all that he truly loved, he truly cherished, his parents, and let go of Rachel, who he never really held.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

just sayin that i like the idea that batman just dont want a new romantic affair, not becaues of the old: " it could get you in danger story" but just because he wont allow such feelings anymore...he's just sad and down after the death of rachel.

Sure, he may not be "allowing" those feelings, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Batman needs a love interest to pick up on... He's going to have one.

 

[TheBatman072]

Okay, it feels like summer outside.

Isn't that good enough for a new announcement or two? Please?

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Please...?

 

[Borat]

I would like Batman to realize that theres no room in his life for romantic relationships. After Rachels death, he realizes being romantically involved with someone is too painful, and it distracts from the mission. So even if they use Catwoman, and Bruce finds himself becoming romantically involved, he can decide near the end of the film that he must remain uninvolved with women in order to continue fighting crime.

 

[Batman137]

i sorta like that idea, but still, no catwoman

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I would like Batman to realize that theres no room in his life for romantic relationships. After Rachels death, he realizes being romantically involved with someone is too painful, and it distracts from the mission. So even if they use Catwoman, and Bruce finds himself becoming romantically involved, he can decide near the end of the film that he must remain uninvolved with women in order to continue fighting crime.

Again... I will say:

Sure, he may not be "allowing" those feelings, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Batman needs a love interest to pick up on... He's going to have one.

Part of what makes Batman interesting is his problematic relationships, ESPECIALLY with Catwoman and Talia. Besides, romance, despite this being an action crime-drama, is a MUST. Look at just about any majorly successful action or crime dramas in the past... They all feature some sort of romantic relationship.

Why? Because it raises the stakes in the storyline (and often times turns out to make the situation 100% more personal for the protagonist), and it's the most desired human emotion. We need that connection to the hero, we need that lovely woman that we want our favorite hero to desire, and most of all, we need our hero to seem human- ESPECIALLY with Batman... Because after all, Batman is one of the most human superheroes in comic books. No superpowers, no alien origins, and no special glowy ring to make everything right for him.

 

[GlasgowBat]

i want news as soon as possible. I'm basically craving some meaningful announcement.

on the other hand, i want them to take as long as they wish, as long as is needed to craft another great bat-film.

oh, the conflict!

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Once I get the theme, villains, and casting, I think I will be 100% satisfied up until the pre-movie hype (like those last couple weeks before the release).

 

[Dark Knight]

Not to mention that Selina provides a love interest that totally goes against Bruce's moral values. The fact that he falls for a girl that Rachel would probably admonish, that's interesting in it's own right.

Going from the good-girl assistant DA to sultry cat burglar is a pretty big jump. Exploring Bruce's emotional attraction to what logically shouldn't be, provides good conflict.

Oh, and let's not forget a movie studio would never allow a sausage-fest. There's the short answer.

Plus Selina accepts Bruce for being Batman, compared to Rachel who wanted him to stop being Batman in order for them to be together and move forward with their relationship.

 

[Joker8906]

I'm sorry what?? Rachel said if they day ever came when Bruce COULD retire they'd be together. But she was never restricting him from being Batman.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

No, but her saying that to him was putting Bruce's mind on more of a way of getting out than continuing his lifelong mission. Catwoman would push him further into his Batman persona, especially since she has an alter-ego as well.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I hope its like Black Mask, Riddler, Catwoman, or and Mad Hatter. Not all of those villains, but Rachel needs a replacement so I say it's a safe bet that we'll get Selina Kyle..
And EVERYONE wants Riddler for the third one...Then we need a second major villain that parallels Two-Face and Joker in TDK, so I say we throw in Black Mask. He could start to replace Maroni, and it'll show how the freaks are taking over Gotham's mob/criminal underworld. Then for a Zsasz type character, throw in Mad Hatter to boost the creepiness factor. There Nolans. Youve already got yourselves an outline! GOOD LUCK!

You're assuming Nolan's going to do a carbon copy of his other movies. Don't. Schumacher did that, not Nolan. You'll notice a lot of differences in the structure of Begins and TDK and I'd expect them to be more pronounced in BB3. I'm actually expecting Nolan to go more into his style and technique than he did in TDK. I'm thinking it will have a typical Nolan structure (out of order, told in flashbacks) and feature multiple villains if this is the case. Not just two villains, but a whole host of smaller villains.

The last thing Nolan needs is to have a "Joker" for this film, because the comparison will be made. Catwoman will be the love interest, that much is near certain. Beyond that you could have any villain. Goyer and Jonah said it themselves - don't go picking out villains based on what you've seen previously. Goyer just spent months flicking through very little known villains for Supermax...I wouldn't be surprised if you see villains most have never heard of.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

With all the talk of Catwoman being near certain, and Nolan's creative team stating that they want to use villains not yet used on the big screen, I'm starting to wonder if Nolan's gonna throw that curveball and use Talia.

When I think about it, if this is Nolan's last movie, Talia may be the most logical choice... It'll bring the story around in a complete circle. It began with the training under Ra's, and it'll end with the possible culmination of the love/war relationship between Talia and Batman.

 

[Batman137]

With all the talk of Catwoman being near certain, and Nolan's creative team stating that they want to use villains not yet used on the big screen, I'm starting to wonder if Nolan's gonna throw that curveball and use Talia.

When I think about it, if this is Nolan's last movie, Talia may be the most logical choice... It'll bring the story around in a complete circle. It began with the training under Ra's, and it'll end with the possible culmination of the love/war relationship between Talia and Batman.

where did this whole "nolan wants to use villians that wern't put on the big screen" thing come about? is there an actual article on it?

 

[Cunning Stunts]

They stated it before both movies, if I recall correctly. Just do a search, and you can find an article in which Goyer says it.

Here's one (from just before The Dark Knight's release) where they're talking about Batman 3:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Nolan-And-Goyer-Talk-Dark-Knight-Sequel-Villains-9505.html

 

[TheScarecrow]

where did this whole "nolan wants to use villians that wern't put on the big screen" thing come about? is there an actual article on it?

It appears that Goyer and Jonah had decided on a villain they wanted without really involving Nolan. As Goyer says, the villain is actually secondary to the theme in their Batman movies, so once Goyer and Jonah chose the theme the villain just slotted into place for them. Both Goyer and Jonah have said (at the same time, mind you) that they've got a theme and a villain. All they said when asked to elaborate was to not just assume it's going to be The Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin or some other well known villain or expected villain saying how much fun it is to use villains which haven't been on screen before like Ra's and Scarecrow.

I think the thing that they're trying to say isn't that they only want to do an unknown villain, but that they're not picking villains based on who's the most popular or most expected. The villain is secondary to the theme and plot of the movie and you'll notice that while TDK used both The Joker and Two-Face, both slotted seamlessly into what the rest of the movie was about. It's when you say "We'll have Catwoman and Riddler because they're the coolest" that you end up with Spider-man 3 style movies.

 

[Dark Knight]

With all the talk of Catwoman being near certain, and Nolan's creative team stating that they want to use villains not yet used on the big screen, I'm starting to wonder if Nolan's gonna throw that curveball and use Talia.

When I think about it, if this is Nolan's last movie, Talia may be the most logical choice... It'll bring the story around in a complete circle. It began with the training under Ra's, and it'll end with the possible culmination of the love/war relationship between Talia and Batman.

It's certainly possible....

 

[RockyBatboa]

Okay, it feels like summer outside.

Isn't that good enough for a new announcement or two? Please?

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Please...?

Sheesh, this one need to get out more.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Once I get the theme, villains, and casting, I think I will be 100% sexually satisfied up until the pre-climax-movie hype-explosion which will orgasmically last until final release.

 

[RockyBatboa]

With all the talk of Catwoman being near certain, and Nolan's creative team stating that they want to use villains not yet used on the big screen, I'm starting to wonder if Nolan's gonna throw that curveball and use Talia.

When I think about it, if this is Nolan's last movie, Talia may be the most logical choice... It'll bring the story around in a complete circle. It began with the training under Ra's, and it'll end with the possible culmination of the love/war relationship between Talia and Batman.

I think i was the only one mentioning certainity of Catwoman's involvement, and it was just sarcasm. For all we know, Catwoman is as likely as the Clock King or Crazy Quilt.

I wouldnt be at all suprised concerning Talia, and i think i'd prefer her over Catwoman. A return of Ras and an intro for Talia could remind people how excellent Batman Begins was, and have an effective continum for Nolan's films.

So, i totally agree with you. Begin back-lashing.

 

[RockyBatboa]

It appears that Goyer and Jonah had decided on a villain they wanted without really involving Nolan. As Goyer says, the villain is actually secondary to the theme in their Batman movies, so once Goyer and Jonah chose the theme the villain just slotted into place for them. Both Goyer and Jonah have said (at the same time, mind you) that they've got a theme and a villain. All they said when asked to elaborate was to not just assume it's going to be The Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin or some other well known villain or expected villain saying how much fun it is to use villains which haven't been on screen before like Ra's and Scarecrow.

I think the thing that they're trying to say isn't that they only want to do an unknown villain, but that they're not picking villains based on who's the most popular or most expected. The villain is secondary to the theme and plot of the movie and you'll notice that while TDK used both The Joker and Two-Face, both slotted seamlessly into what the rest of the movie was about. It's when you say "We'll have Catwoman and Riddler because they're the coolest" that you end up with Spider-man 3 style movies.

Or Michael Caines Depp Riddler and Hoffman Penguin diatribe.

Here's how you improve on "The Dark Knight".

You take Nocturna and Calendar Man, you cast Meryl Streep and Danniel Day Lewis, insert them in a kick ass storyline that makes DK look bad, that'st: how you do it!