The Dark Knight Rises IESB Exclusive: Third BATMAN Film in Script Stage

[namtaB]

Well, it's surprising since C. Nolan isn't directing anything in between TDK and the untitled third flick as opposed to doing "The Prestige" between BB and TDK.

So? Is there a rule that Nolan must direct a film in b/w TDK and Batman 3? Just b/c he directed Prestige in b/w BB and TDK it means he has to follow the same pattern? You fanboys crack me up sometimes.

 

[hegele]

So? Is there a rule that Nolan must direct a film in b/w TDK and Batman 3? Just b/c he directed Prestige in b/w BB and TDK it means he has to follow the same pattern? You fanboys crack me up sometimes.

In my opinion i think its important for him to do another film in between. As a filmmaker myself (haha, not nearly on the same level of course), spending too much time on on project can make your head spin and you can loose what is important. I mean just look what happened to Raimi on SM3.

I think its important for him to step back, exercise his cinematic identity with another film and then come back with a fresh look and steady head.

 

[[A]]

I'd love to see at least two small Nolan films before the 3rd Bats..

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'd like to see him turn his hand to another project in between TDK and the third. Isn't he doing a film version of The Prisoner?

 

[[A]]

He was, at a point.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So that's been canned? It wouldn't surprise me if WB was like "No, no, no Chris!! You must do another Batman film!! We want ze moneyzz!!!" Seeing as the next Bat flick is a already guaranteed gold mine.

 

[chamber-music]

I think WB are just letting Nolan do what he wants at this point. The guys proven himself and they don't wanna do anything to make him walk.

 

[namtaB]

In my opinion i think its important for him to do another film in between. As a filmmaker myself (haha, not nearly on the same level of course), spending too much time on on project can make your head spin and you can loose what is important. I mean just look what happened to Raimi on SM3.

I think its important for him to step back, exercise his cinematic identity with another film and then come back with a fresh look and steady head.

I disagree and I'll tell you exactly why. During filming the Prestige, work was being done on TDK. In effect, Nolan was devoting time to both projects simultaneously. Granted the majority of work was done on the Prestige, but if the articles are to be believed, Nolan was overseeing the script revisions that his brother was doing on TDK during the early months of 2006 while Prestige was filming.

Now, the end product that was TDK was brilliant which shows Nolan can multitask without a problem. But its not the scenario I would want. Ideally, I would want anyone to devote all their creative time to one project regardless of their skill to multitask.

People always draw the comparison to Raimi and Spiderman 3. I think the argument is flawed. Raimi's creativity wasn't stunted by time or the lack of another project in b/w films but rather the Studio and Arad's demands on the inclusion of certain villains into the film. Its conflicting interests which lead to a poorly developed story that doomed Spiderman 3, not the fact that Raimi didn't do a film in b/w Spidey 2 and Spidey 3.

The other thing to keep in mind is that if the articles are to be believed again, Nolan and Goyer drew a broad outline of the 3 picture series during development of BB which means a general creative direction was already in effect years before the genesis of Batman 3.

The idea of a "fresh head" seems to stem from people not knowing that Nolan was working on Prestige and overseeing work on TDK simultaneously and the cliched belief that doing something different for a period of time somehow leads to sparked creativity and better work on return. Its an old wives tale.

 

[Anita18]

I disagree and I'll tell you exactly why. During filming the Prestige, work was being done on TDK. In effect, Nolan was devoting time to both projects simultaneously. Granted the majority of work was done on the Prestige, but if the articles are to be believed, Nolan was overseeing the script revisions that his brother was doing on TDK during the early months of 2006 while Prestige was filming.

Yup. He and Goyer already gave Jonah TDK's outline by October of 2005. He finished the first draft by December 2005. They started filming The Prestige in early 2006, so it's likely that Chris did some work on TDK during that time.

What we don't know is if Chris is still planning to direct an in-between film, and if he has a script ready to go for such a purpose.

 

[Crook]

In my opinion i think its important for him to do another film in between. As a filmmaker myself (haha, not nearly on the same level of course), spending too much time on on project can make your head spin and you can loose what is important. I mean just look what happened to Raimi on SM3.

I think its important for him to step back, exercise his cinematic identity with another film and then come back with a fresh look and steady head.

Eh, Godfather Part 1 and 2 were made within 2 years of each other. Both undeniable classics. So anything's doable.

 

[Deaths Head II]

In my opinion i think its important for him to do another film in between. As a filmmaker myself (haha, not nearly on the same level of course), spending too much time on on project can make your head spin and you can loose what is important. I mean just look what happened to Raimi on SM3.

I think its important for him to step back, exercise his cinematic identity with another film and then come back with a fresh look and steady head.

I agree with that mentality. Even if Nolan was working a bit on TDK while working on the Prestige, it still is nothing much compared to directing a film sequel right after the original. You eventually get tired of the material, and if you watch the interviews with the cast of Spider-Man 3 you get the feeling they were getting just plain sick of Spider-Man.

I only hope that the desire to jump on Batman 3 as soon as possible was Nolan's own choice and not the studio poking him.

 

[infamous]

let us just wait and see

 

[Rolf]

I think WB are just letting Nolan do what he wants at this point. The guys proven himself and they don't wanna do anything to make him walk.

You give company execs too much credit, they would be falling over themselves to get Nolan back if they thought they could make twice as much money as TDK did.

Warner Bros may be all "Respectful" now, but that is probably because they think he will be back soon too help them keep the gravey train rolling. However we allready know that you don't spend all the time and effort makeing a movie like TDK and take a vacation short enough to find time to make a movie that will be ready by 2011, Warner Bros are going to send Commandos to get him back if they have to, "All they care about is money".



There are three different reasons otherwise successful franchises fail on their third installment:

1) New Director

2) Undue Preassure on currant director

3) Currant director being forced to introduce elemants he didnt want.

From the currant state of things it seems that any one of these problems could occur. Who knows maybe The Penguin will be to Nolan what the Ewoks were to Lucas.

This is all bassed on two assumptions however.

1) That Nolan's vacation is NOT an allibi for location scouting.

2) That Nolan is NOT a willing participant in this project.

I shall remain in hope.

 

[MessyPandas]

hopefully Nolan will submit his finished draft and let pre start on this film and then go off and do the Prisoner or whatever other film hes got prepped and then come back to this when its ready to roll.

 

[MessyPandas]

you have to take Warners track record into account. They don't just care about money or else you would of get another embarrassing Batman entry before Begins with A-list actors a crappy plot and no doubt a sizeable return. They were interested in authenticity from the get go. When Begins did adequately in theatres and respectably on DVD they again gave Nolan free reign to make absolutely his definitive Batman film. No excessive CGI, talky plots and pretty limited merchandising potential. For their faith they were rewarded handsomely.

Warners are absolutely the best big budget studio working currently, they'll hold out until Nolan's happy you can guarantee it.

 

[namtaB]

you have to take Warners track record into account. They don't just care about money or else you would of get another embarrassing Batman entry before Begins with A-list actors a crappy plot and no doubt a sizeable return. They were interested in authenticity from the get go. When Begins did adequately in theatres and respectably on DVD they again gave Nolan free reign to make absolutely his definitive Batman film. No excessive CGI, talky plots and pretty limited merchandising potential. For their faith they were rewarded handsomely.

Warners are absolutely the best big budget studio working currently, they'll hold out until Nolan's happy you can guarantee it.

Don't kid yourself. Its always about money. The reason why WB is so gung ho with this dark approach is b/c B&R was an absolute disaster that was purely attributable to a creative direction that no one liked. They expected Begins to be a moderate success b/c of the baggage from the previous film. Now that people have resoundingly embraced the dark approach to Batman, WB is going to be the biggest supporter of everything dark and adopt other franchies in a similar vein which was confirmed by Robinov's comments.

When it comes to corporate entities they are in the business to make money. If something makes money they will follow it regardless of what the true fans think. Its not about faith, its about the results. That's what shareholders are interested in. You can bet the farm if B&R made boatloads of money, we would have seen 3 more sequels in the same campy tone. The epiphany WB had wasn't about being true to the comic roots, it was about a business plan that went horribly wrong in 1997 and the decision to go in the opposite direction with Chris Nolan b/c that was the only path they saw as viable for a franchise as potentially profitable as Batman. Just be glad that we the fans are lucky the stars aligned up just right and the Studio, director, and creative direction of the film are all going in the same direction. This type of event rarely happens and we should be glad it happened to Batman.

 

[The Jester]

So? .

So what?

Is there a rule that Nolan must direct a film in b/w TDK and Batman 3?

I Dont think anyone assumed there was a rule. I'll take as many Christopher Nolan movies I can get because the guy is probably one of the top 10 best film directors of our generation.

Just b/c he directed Prestige in b/w BB and TDK it means he has to follow the same pattern? .

Again relax, no one assumed. Seeing as he did a movie between the two, I'm sure people wouldnt mind him doing another between The Dark Knight and Batman 3. Memento and The Prestige in my opinion are masterpieces. He has the potential of introducing another great movie before the next bat sequel.

You fanboys crack me up sometimes.

So now let me ask you a question. Are you angry because someone's wondering if Nolan will direct a non batman movie before Batman 3? Even without Batman in his portfolio, Christopher Nolan is an amazing film director, so please settle down and stop over reacting. A bit of variety never killed the human race.

 

[Steelsheen]

Well, Nolan did say he was doing notes for a possible third flick, so maybe he finally cracked a full story in the meantime.

If all three of them are working on BB3, they'll probably crank out a draft for WB to look at in a few months. If they already have an outline, then all of them can work on different sequences and perhaps we'll get news of the film's title (and production) around summertime? That's when Warners announced the film production on TDK.

exactly. its a proven timetable. unless something major comes along, i dont think they'll be drifting far from this time table.

Did Nolan start working on the script for Dark Knight before starting production for the Prestige? If they are already working on the script I wonder if Nolan will do something in-between or go right back to work on the next Batman film.

yes they did, and they were doing creative discussions for TDK during the filming of The Prestige with the crew and Bale and Cane.

I disagree and I'll tell you exactly why. During filming the Prestige, work was being done on TDK. In effect, Nolan was devoting time to both projects simultaneously. Granted the majority of work was done on the Prestige, but if the articles are to be believed, Nolan was overseeing the script revisions that his brother was doing on TDK during the early months of 2006 while Prestige was filming.

Now, the end product that was TDK was brilliant which shows Nolan can multitask without a problem. But its not the scenario I would want. Ideally, I would want anyone to devote all their creative time to one project regardless of their skill to multitask.

well i suppose thats your preference dude, to do one thing at a time. i'd go with whatever works for Nolan, who can mulititask/ plan ahead/ stay focused.

Don't kid yourself. Its always about money. The reason why WB is so gung ho with this dark approach is b/c B&R was an absolute disaster that was purely attributable to a creative direction that no one liked. They expected Begins to be a moderate success b/c of the baggage from the previous film. Now that people have resoundingly embraced the dark approach to Batman, WB is going to be the biggest supporter of everything dark and adopt other franchies in a similar vein which was confirmed by Robinov's comments.

When it comes to corporate entities they are in the business to make money. If something makes money they will follow it regardless of what the true fans think. Its not about faith, its about the results. That's what shareholders are interested in. You can bet the farm if B&R made boatloads of money, we would have seen 3 more sequels in the same campy tone. The epiphany WB had wasn't about being true to the comic roots, it was about a business plan that went horribly wrong in 1997 and the decision to go in the opposite direction with Chris Nolan b/c that was the only path they saw as viable for a franchise as potentially profitable as Batman. Just be glad that we the fans are lucky the stars aligned up just right and the Studio, director, and creative direction of the film are all going in the same direction. This type of event rarely happens and we should be glad it happened to Batman.

but also do not forget that WB will not make the same mistake as they had in the past by going with another director in continuing a franchise-- specially with the much beleaguered third movie. they nearly lost Nolan with that whole JL meltdown, i dont think WB will do anything to risk another fallout. WB may be a giant in the industry, but it means nothing if Nolan isnt signed up with them, a leverage i see that Nolan is using to his advantage. indeed the man has smarts, in more ways than one.

 

[Batman137]

possibly made my birthday a lot better

 

[Borat]

Sure I'm excited for a third flick. But TDK just came out and I'm still enjoying it! I'm patient, I can wait.

 

[namtaB]

So now let me ask you a question. Are you angry because someone's wondering if Nolan will direct a non batman movie before Batman 3? Even without Batman in his portfolio, Christopher Nolan is an amazing film director, so please settle down and stop over reacting. A bit of variety never killed the human race.

Saying that fanboys crack me up is overreacting to you? Your name is Jester. Why don't you emulate it and lighten up pal. I found it hilarious how you broke down my reply line by line when I wasn't saying much of anything in the first place. Like I said, you fanboys crack me up. t:

 

[namtaB]

but also do not forget that WB will not make the same mistake as they had in the past by going with another director in continuing a franchise-- specially with the much beleaguered third movie. they nearly lost Nolan with that whole JL meltdown, i dont think WB will do anything to risk another fallout. WB may be a giant in the industry, but it means nothing if Nolan isnt signed up with them, a leverage i see that Nolan is using to his advantage. indeed the man has smarts, in more ways than one.

I disagree. Its a business. AMC threatened Matt Weiner by publicly announcing it was searching for a new show runner when Weiner was playing hardball with negotiations last fall. Mad Men is the best thing that ever happened to AMC. Its Weiner's baby. Its won multiple awards in 2 seasons and is the golden boy of critics. Yet, they were willing to replace him b/c at the end of the day its business.

Fortunately WB and Nolan seem to be on the same page when it comes to Batman. But I have no doubt in my mind that WB would risk the fallout if for some reason a deal could not be reached securing Nolan to a third Batman film. At the end of the day its business. And if you think WB will just shelve a third Batman film after it made close to a Billion worldwide simply b/c Nolan refused to do it, then I laugh hystericall at your naivity.

 

[ross2287]

Does anyone remember when it was announced that Nolan's next film after Batman Begins was going to be The Prestige?

It might be useful knowledge...?

 

[Cunning Stunts]

In my opinion i think its important for him to do another film in between. As a filmmaker myself (haha, not nearly on the same level of course), spending too much time on on project can make your head spin and you can loose what is important. I mean just look what happened to Raimi on SM3.

I think its important for him to step back, exercise his cinematic identity with another film and then come back with a fresh look and steady head.

Keep in mind... Nolan has taken a quite nice vacation after TDK to let loose from any stresses he may have had... And look how long it took to actually hear that he is about 95% CONFIRMED for Batman 3... Seven months! MORE than enough time to freshen his mind.

 

[Anita18]

Does anyone remember when it was announced that Nolan's next film after Batman Begins was going to be The Prestige?

It might be useful knowledge...?

IMDB doesn't have news articles on it going that far. I don't know exactly when that was.

I just spoke with someone who says BB3 is in the script stage. He didn't quote IESB, he knows someone who works directly under Chris Nolan, and keeps in touch with one of TDK's associate producers as well.