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[TheCorpulent1]

Thor and the Asgardians are not aliens with advanced technology.

No offense, but getting rid of the mythological/supernatural elements of Aquaman and Wonder Woman sucks.

 

[The Question]

Thor and the Asgardians are not aliens with advanced technology.

No offense, but getting rid of the mythological/supernatural elements of Aquaman and Wonder Woman sucks.

I'd have to agree. One of the great things about having team books is that they're heavily diversified. The League has representatives of multiple genres: Sci-Fi (Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Superman), Crime Noir/Action (Batman), Fantasy/Political Drama (Aquaman, Wonder Woman).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, removing magic from Wonder Woman robs her of a fairly large portion of her modern identity. Same with Aquaman, only a little less so.

Also, Thor and the Asgardians really aren't aliens with advanced technology. At all.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, removing magic from Wonder Woman robs her of a fairly large portion of her modern identity. Same with Aquaman, only a little less so.

I always thought magic should be a bigger part of Aquaman. I mean, it's so much a part of his back story that it's surprising more stories don't focus on it.

Also, Thor and the Asgardians really aren't aliens with advanced technology. At all.

I'm pretty sure most people in the Marvel Universe assume they are, probably from watching too much SG1, so that's probably where the mistake was made.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The idea that they're aliens was one of the "origin stories" that were floating around for them because of some comic or other. Nothing else that Thor or the Asgardians have been a part of has agreed with that idea, though. They're treated as magic beings originating from some energy web every planet has, molded into consistent forms through the beliefs of humans. At least, that's how it was last explained during the Jurgens run, I believe.

They've tried to make magic a bigger part of Aquaman. The problem seems to be that they can't decide to stick to a single story idea for him for more than five issues.

 

[The Question]

The idea that they're aliens was one of the "origin stories" that were floating around for them because of some comic or other. Nothing else that Thor or the Asgardians have been a part of has agreed with that idea, though. They're treated as magic beings originating from some energy web every planet has, molded into consistent forms through the beliefs of humans. At least, that's how it was last explained during the Jurgens run, I believe.

So, kind of what DC's been doing with Wonder Woman and the Olympians for ages.

They've tried to make magic a bigger part of Aquaman. The problem seems to be that they can't decide to stick to a single story idea for him for more than five issues.

That's why, in my reboot idea, magic is a heavy emphasis, with Atlantis being more of a mystical realm than an actual geographical location, even though it's still a real place too.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Thor and the Asgardians are not aliens with advanced technology.

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There is an issue of Thor from the late 90's that make such a claim....it was while Thor was de-powered......the story revolved around the world ash tree.If it has been retcon out or if it's still a part of continuity I dont know.

 

[The Question]

There is an issue of Thor from the late 90's that make such a claim....it was while Thor was de-powered......the story revolved around the world ash tree.If it has been retcon out or if it's still a part of continuity I dont know.

I have that story, and in it, a human reporter refered to Thor as an alien, not Thor himself. Probably because, in this day and age, it's easier for people to believe in aliens dressed as Vikings than actual pagan gods.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they know aliens exist. They only have Hercules, Ares, and Thor's word on the fact that gods exist, and they're not even significantly more powerful than people they know are just superhumans.

So, kind of what DC's been doing with Wonder Woman and the Olympians for ages.

Yeah, except they were just molded into consistent forms by belief. They don't draw power from worshipers or anything. Their powers are their own.

That's why, in my reboot idea, magic is a heavy emphasis, with Atlantis being more of a mystical realm than an actual geographical location, even though it's still a real place too.

That's cool. If they do that, they really ought to just bring the Atlantis and Avalon legends together for Aquaman, since Avalon is supposed to be its own magical realm, too. He's got major ties to both, so it would make sense and streamline DC's magic side a bit more simultaneously.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I have that story, and in it, a human reporter refered to Thor as an alien, not Thor himself. Probably because, in this day and age, it's easier for people to believe in aliens dressed as Vikings than actual pagan gods.

I thought it was a cop reading it from an encyclopedia of sorts on the tpoic but its been a long time since I read that book so I could be wrong.
And I dont know if we can call them "pagan gods" when it comes to Marvel comics.There was a issue of Namor in the 90's where Namor was on trial and Thor was brought on as a character witness........when he was sworn in Thor claimed to be a good christian.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What? What the **** was that writer smoking?

 

[The Question]

Yeah, except they were just molded into consistent forms by belief. They don't draw power from worshipers or anything. Their powers are their own.

Still, pretty closely related concepts.

That's cool. If they do that, they really ought to just bring the Atlantis and Avalon legends together for Aquaman, since Avalon is supposed to be its own magical realm, too. He's got major ties to both, so it would make sense and streamline DC's magic side a bit more simultaneously.

P'rhapse. I'd definately make ties to Aurthurian Legend. As in, Orin sort of fills the archtypical role of King Aurthur, and is sort of the Aurthur of the modern age. I probably wouldn't make Avalon and Atlantis the same place, but I'd have Orin have strong ties to both and serve as a link between the two. Also, I'd probably make Atlantians akin to DCU gods, and bring back the idea of Orin being half human, although Atilan would still be his father, albeit in a fairly convoluted sense. As in, Atilan shaped the idea of Orin, in essence his soul, and Aurthur Curry Sr. supplied the biological aspects necessairy to give him a foothold in the physical world.

Also, I'd probably make strong connections between Ocean Master and Forgan Le Fay and Mordred, and maybe even give some sort of link between Atilan and Merlin.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Why not make Atlantis and Avalon the same? Or maybe make the current Atlanteans descendants of the Avalonians or vice-versa?

 

[The Question]

Why not make Atlantis and Avalon the same? Or maybe make the current Atlanteans descendants of the Avalonians or vice-versa?

It just doesn't really fit with my aproach to magic. Well, actually, it kind of does, but not in that way. Way I see it, they're all the same place. Atlantis, Olympus, Avalon, Asgard, Heaven, Hell, The Speed Force, Nirvana, The Faerie, The Dreaming. It's all one big afterlife. But the reason Asgard and Olympus are so different is because the Vikings and the Ancient Greeks saw it differently. Asgard is a reflection of the Vikings' outlook on things, as Olympus is for the Greeks. It's all a matter of perspective. And the reason that they behave like completely different places is that people treat them as such. So, Avalon and Atlantis are different places. But once Orin, who is destined to be a sort of modern day King Aurthur, comes along, they also kind of become the same place.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

What? What the **** was that writer smoking?

It was John Byrne so maybee

 

[Kitsune]

Lovable supporting characters don't grow on trees.

The do in Twelve Kingdoms.

 

[Lane & Kent]

just wondering If DC would reboot again. Should Superman be the sole survivor of Krypton again? and Should Wonder Woman have a secret identity?

 

[trustyside-kick]

I agree on the ideas of more emphasis of magic in Atlantis. What adds so much more appeal to me is that Atlantis has mystical, mythological, and scientific things all wrapped into one.

Although, as far as changing who he is and such...I really do love the PAD revision and Modern day origin and the Atlantean Chronicles. Perhaps some tweaks here and there...but I really really really like PAD's revision.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

just wondering If DC would reboot again. Should Superman be the sole survivor of Krypton again? and Should Wonder Woman have a secret identity?

I think Superman and Zod should be the sole survivors of Krypton. Combine the cartoon origin and Matrix origin for Supergirl (make her Argos' equivalent to the Eradicator, maybe). Bring Conner Kent back as Superboy. Have Krypto be an Earth dog who somehow gets a bit of Kryptonian DNA integrated into him (because the idea that Krypton had identical dogs to Earth is as stupid as the fact that its people are identical to Earthlings, only the latter is unavoidable). Beppo, Comet, and all those other *****ebags never existed.

 

[Kitsune]

I think Superman and Zod should be the sole survivors of Krypton. Combine the cartoon origin and Matrix origin for Supergirl (make her Argos' equivalent to the Eradicator, maybe). Bring Conner Kent back as Superboy. Have Krypto be an Earth dog who somehow gets a bit of Kryptonian DNA integrated into him (because the idea that Krypton had identical dogs to Earth is as stupid as the fact that its people are identical to Earthlings, only the latter is unavoidable). Beppo, Comet, and all those other *****ebags never existed.

Comet and Streaky were never from Krypton.

 

[Rorschach II]

The idea that Krypton had identical dogs to Earth is as stupid as the fact that its people are identical to Earthlings, only the latter is unavoidable.

In my continuity, all of humanity would be a (failed) Kryptonian science project. It would give Jor-El a motive for sending his only son here as a "savior", and all that jazz he talks about in the movies about us being good people at heart and crap.

I hear what you guys are saying about magic and I guess that it would be alienating too many fans if magic was taken out of the DCU altogether, but I personally would like it. Of course, DC is about the fans (or should be, rather), so I guess if I ever hypothetically had the chance to take out the magic, I wouldn't.

Though you gotta admit my Batman reboot is pretty good though =D.

 

[The Question]

In my continuity, all of humanity would be a (failed) Kryptonian science project. It would give Jor-El a motive for sending his only son here as a "savior", and all that jazz he talks about in the movies about us being good people at heart and crap.

Seems a little unnecessairy to me. The explanation for why so many alien speicese look the same that I'd use would simply be that the Oans' existence, over time, influenced the universes morphigenic fields, causing many different and completely genetically unrelated speicese to have very similar traits.

I hear what you guys are saying about magic and I guess that it would be alienating too many fans if magic was taken out of the DCU altogether, but I personally would like it. Of course, DC is about the fans (or should be, rather), so I guess if I ever hypothetically had the chance to take out the magic, I wouldn't.

Why would you want to take out the magic, though? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just curious.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In my continuity, all of humanity would be a (failed) Kryptonian science project. It would give Jor-El a motive for sending his only son here as a "savior", and all that jazz he talks about in the movies about us being good people at heart and crap.

Simple enough solution: never, ever mention any of that Jor-El movie crap in the comics. Superman was knocked off course and crash-landed on Earth by chance. I always hated the idea of some grand design to Superman's presence on Earth. He's an orphan who happened to land in our orphanage, pure and simple.

 

[Rorschach II]

Simple enough solution: never, ever mention any of that Jor-El movie crap in the comics. Superman was knocked off course and crash-landed on Earth by chance. I always hated the idea of some grand design to Superman's presence on Earth. He's an orphan who happened to land in our orphanage, pure and simple.

Yes but remember I wasn't trying to explain Jor-El's dialogue from the films, I was trying to explain Kryptonians being identical to us (aside from the whole "red/yellow sun thing) and tying it in to the film dialogue. Of course, most people are more bothered by Superman's disguise being a pair of glasses and don't usually question that aspect of the character.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I don't really care that he happens to look like an Earthling. It's a conceit of the character and, frankly, trying to explain it just makes it look worse for being in the spotlight.