If Disney Gets the Rights from Fox - Which asset should headline a MCU film first?

[Dark Raven]

But Mary Jane doesn't exist in the MCU. Angelica cannot look like a dead ringer to someone who doesn't exist. Unless Michelle turns out to be Mary Jane, then you can cast someone who looks like Zendaya.

It doesn't matter that she doesn't exist. I'm saying that Angelica looked like a dead ringer for classic Mary Jane. And that's what I would like. It doesn't matter that Michelle Jones looks different. That's their choice. They don't need to have 2 characters in the MCU who look the same.

Having Michelle "MJ" Jones played by Zendaya and having Angelica Jones played by someone who looks like classic MJ is a way to have your cake and eat it. If people don't want MJ to look like the classic version anymore, then fair enough. But why not allow Angelica to look like she did in the cartoon?

It would be like wanting Peter Parker to be black but then not wanting Miles Morales to be white.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

1. What does classic Mary Jane look like? Was Dunst classic MJ looking? What about the Woodey chick that was gonna portray her?

2. Because the hypothetical people casting her would be looking at qualities and attributes a bit more substantive than what she looked like in a cartoon.

 

[TheVileOne]

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Here's some unedited set footage of Shailene Woodley playing Mary Jane that was cut from the film. She was going to ride a motorcycle. Hard to say what her characterization was going to be, but she comes off a bit tomboyish.

I think when hardcore fans say classic Mary Jane, they think hot, sexy redhead. Could be a cover or runway model. Likes to be the life of a party. A bit of a bad girl. A socially outgoing type. At least on the surface. That's at least how I see the earliest version of Mary Jane after she was first introduced.

To me on the other hand, Mary Jane is more than that. And her party girl attitude was just sort of a way for her to mask her rough upbringing, coming from a broken home, deadbeat father, etc. I like those dimensions of the character. But more than anything, while those party girl things are an aspect of her personality, she is still more than just that.

 

[General Mike]

Definitely FF. Dr. Doom can be a mega villain for the MCU, probably more so than anybody in the Marvel Universe. Plus I don't know if we've ever gotten a good FF movie, where while not every X-Men film has been great, we've gotten our share of good movies. I would love to see Jackman once in a Avengers film, but if he doesn't want to continue the role, him being a one off is probably a bad idea.

 

[Creo]

I'm honestly not sure how you even introduce X-Men into the MCU without drastically changing their story. They can't have existed the whole time, there's simply too much that would have addressed them. So you lose out on the older characters. Then you have to deal with the fact that the Inhumans have adopted and used a ton of their major storylines and identifying traits, and it seems like a big retread.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why can't they have existed for the whole time?

Inhumans didn't really steal their major storylines or identifying traits at all. Even if they are similar thematically, doesn't that just prove their relevance in the world today? People with abilities or powers being shunned by the world at large?

 

[Web-Head]

I'm honestly not sure how you even introduce X-Men into the MCU without drastically changing their story. They can't have existed the whole time, there's simply too much that would have addressed them. So you lose out on the older characters. Then you have to deal with the fact that the Inhumans have adopted and used a ton of their major storylines and identifying traits, and it seems like a big retread.

Nobody watched Inhumans and the shows have nothing to do with the movies

 

[Aztec]

Doom. I want a Doom film in the MCU. I want him to be the big bad, along with Galactus for the next wave of MCU films. I'm down for giving Noah Hawley a shot if it's Feige led. I think he is one of the few villains who would make for an excellent solo film.

 

[The Infernal]

Why can't they have existed for the whole time?

Inhumans didn't really steal their major storylines or identifying traits at all. Even if they are similar thematically, doesn't that just prove their relevance in the world today? People with abilities or powers being shunned by the world at large?

Think I've said something similar before, but I think it would be easy enough to have them be a closeted minority that's not yet public knowledge. Mutanats should be relatively rare and the X-men are a covert team. It doesn't take a whole lot of work imo to write them in as pre-existing imo.

 

[Creo]

Nobody watched Inhumans and the shows have nothing to do with the movies

I'm not talking about the Inhumans, I'm talking about Agents of Shield.

 

[Creo]

Why can't they have existed for the whole time?

Inhumans didn't really steal their major storylines or identifying traits at all. Even if they are similar thematically, doesn't that just prove their relevance in the world today? People with abilities or powers being shunned by the world at large?

I'm not saying they can't, it's just something that's already been covered in Agents of Shield. They've already been shunned. They've already tried to find a cure. Hive is essentially Apocalypse. Sky's mother is essentially Magneto and had her own segment of Inhumans that thought they were better than humans and tried to turn everyone into Inhumans and /or kill them.

Marvel tried to replace the X-men with the Inhumans, and in doing so took a lot of their properties and storylines.

 

[2kt09]

I'm not talking about the Inhumans, I'm talking about Agents of Shield.

Think he's referring to that as well. On top of decreasing viewership with each new season,
even less people are aware of them compared to cinematic X-Men.

 

[TheVileOne]

Even with Agents of SHIELD, I don't think that's a major impact on how to approach mutants.

Even with mutants it can be addressed as a more recent phenomenon. Maybe some were around for a while, but very rare.

Keep in mind also in Agents of SHIELD they've had an index of "enhanced" individuals for years. Some of these individuals with powers definitely aren't Inhumans. How do you explain Scorch? He was definitely not an Inhuman. He didn't get his powers through science or an accident. He just developed them naturally.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not saying they can't, it's just something that's already been covered in Agents of Shield. They've already been shunned. They've already tried to find a cure. Hive is essentially Apocalypse. Sky's mother is essentially Magneto and had her own segment of Inhumans that thought they were better than humans and tried to turn everyone into Inhumans and /or kill them.

Marvel tried to replace the X-men with the Inhumans, and in doing so took a lot of their properties and storylines.

I see your point, but I don't think that would prevent using mutants and mutant characters as well in the MCU. I feel like if Inhumans and mutants can exist in the same comic universe, they can do it in the same as well.

Also let's be honest, the movies really pay no mind to the TV lineup at all. Nothing that really happens in any of the TV shows matters for the movies.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could always say they incorrectly identified some people as inhumans because they didn't know there was a separate class called mutants.

 

[samsnee]

If they do X-men, I’d like for them to keep it small scale for the first few movies. No extraneous cameos for major characters in the comics who are reduced to a visual effect in the movie like what Fox has done. Even in the comics there are too many mutants that it doesn’t even feel like they are a minority.

 

[Creo]

I see your point, but I don't think that would prevent using mutants and mutant characters as well in the MCU. I feel like if Inhumans and mutants can exist in the same comic universe, they can do it in the same as well.

Also let's be honest, the movies really pay no mind to the TV lineup at all. Nothing that really happens in any of the TV shows matters for the movies.

The difference is that the mutants were always public knowledge in the comics, but in the MCU neither would be. Having two groups of genetically different humans with power appear out of nowhere just seems redundant.

Of course they'll do it if they want to, and probably will ignore the shows. It just bugs me that they would, and seems like shoe horning.

It also bothers me that if they did exist, that means they didn't get involved in any world ending threats, Hydra wasn't tracking them, and they haven't been involved with the Sokovia Accords at all.

I guess they could start popping up as new mutations, but then we lose out on Magneto and potentially Xavier.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Think I've said something similar before, but I think it would be easy enough to have them be a closeted minority that's not yet public knowledge. Mutanats should be relatively rare and the X-men are a covert team. It doesn't take a whole lot of work imo to write them in as pre-existing imo.

The thing is unlike the Inhumans who went to Afterlife to be chosen the mutants are random occurrence. How does a minority group the members of which don't even know that they are part of a unique group even get together to form covert forces for good of humanity as a whole or just the good of other mutants that nobody has ever heard of? Nobody is studying them sentinels are not working against them like Watchdogs are working against Inhumans.

President Ellis has not named a government agency like the ATCU to deal with mutants. And so on and so on. The movies may not have used an ABC or Netflix productions content, but if the claim is "it's all connected" then they also don't go out of their way to directly contradict it either. The connection is the force multiplier which caused movies with limited appeal compared to Superman or Batman to get over.

I will say it is not so much that a guy from Marvel didn't make an X-Men movie or the second Spider-Man franchise that was the problem. It was that each director as the films went on didn't want to honor the work done before him. It truly wasn't connected it was just the color scheme of the costumes, sometimes, that matched a previous effort.

 

[Marvel united]

Why not just say only a few mutants have existed up until Infinity War when the Infinity Gems activate the X-gene in millions around the world? Mutants can easily be a new public phenomenon in the MCU. Maybe up until the mutant boom only a few humdred had their powers.

 

[The Infernal]

The thing is unlike the Inhumans who went to Afterlife to be chosen the mutants are random occurrence. How does a minority group the members of which don't even know that they are part of a unique group even get together to form covert forces for good of humanity as a whole or just the good of other mutants that nobody has ever heard of? Nobody is studying them sentinels are not working against them like Watchdogs are working against Inhumans.

President Ellis has not named a government agency like the ATCU to deal with mutants. And so on and so on. The movies may not have used an ABC or Netflix productions content, but if the claim is "it's all connected" then they also don't go out of their way to directly contradict it either. The connection is the force multiplier which caused movies with limited appeal compared to Superman or Batman to get over.

I will say it is not so much that a guy from Marvel didn't make an X-Men movie or the second Spider-Man franchise that was the problem. It was that each director as the films went on didn't want to honor the work done before him. It truly wasn't connected it was just the color scheme of the costumes, sometimes, that matched a previous effort.

I didn't say nobody would know of them. Just that they could be not known publicly. The rest is just tv stuff. The movies have shown they don't care and crossovers have only been a one way street so far.

Plus it's not like the movies have conveyed every aspect of the mcu. There are always new aspects of it to be explored.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe people haven't started to mutate yet. But suddenly there could be a whole rash of them.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Maybe people haven't started to mutate yet. But suddenly there could be a whole rash of them.

That is where I would put my stand. Environmental damage from the Battle of New York being the event which causes a jump in the number of mutations. But to just jump in now with the MCU version of the X-men greatest story lines next year because you have acquired the film rights would be a mistake and hurt the greater MCU

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I didn't say nobody would know of them. Just that they could be not known publicly. The rest is just tv stuff. The movies have shown they don't care and crossovers have only been a one way street so far.

Plus it's not like the movies have conveyed every aspect of the mcu. There are always new aspects of it to be explored.

The danger of saying just TV stuff is then who will decide that is just stuff from Thor and fewer people watched that film or just stuff from Ant-Man. Eventually you go back to conventional film making of I am the director and this is my vision don't bog me down with canon nonsense

 

[Creo]

Maybe people haven't started to mutate yet. But suddenly there could be a whole rash of them.

That's one of my issues, because then it's basically the exact same thing at the Inhumans rapid explosion after the Terrigen mists are released.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

That's one of my issues, because then it's basically the exact same thing at the Inhumans rapid explosion after the Terrigen mists are released.

The difference being the Inhumans would have a normal ration of adults to children. In the case of mutants, those older ones in hiding would be forced to act because of suddenly there are a lot of children who pass the genetic screens without Inhuman markers. With children coming and a reason to look at them you now have a school for the gifted. Given a few more years when Steve Rogers, Tony Stark and the rest age out of active avenging then you have a team in place to step in to assume the MCU mantel.