If each actor had played Batman again...

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  1. Spider-Kurt! Registered

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    What would you have liked to have seen from...

    A third Keaton/Burton Batman film

    A second Kilmer/Shumacher Batman film

    A second Clooney/Schumacher Batman film (I know,I know :o)

    A fourth Bale/Nolan Batman film
     
  2. Nite-Watchman Registered

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    I would've loved to see Keaton Batman's training in the early days. Where did he travel? From whom did he learn? Also, what did he go on to do after Batman Returns? (Batman Forever hardly counts).
     
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    Assuming that the current films stayed the same (meaning the extra films can't use villains already used), and trying to be somewhat realistic about the output...

    A third Burton/Keaton film
    Batman: Fear
    New characters: Scarecrow played by Jeff Goldblum, Black Mask played by Christopher Walken, Firefly (only a small role), Sasha Bordeaux played by Bridget Fonda, Lucius Fox (another small role)
    Returning characters: Alfred, Max Shreck (as Black Mask), Gordon
    Scenario: Batman has consumed Bruce's life, leaving his business world to crumble. Wayne Enterprises has employed Jonathan Crane to develop fear-inducing toxins for the military. Meanwhile Max Shreck from the previous film has survived to become Black Mask. Bruce is forced to take on a bodyguard (Sasha) by his board at Waynecorp. after Firefly (hired by Shreck) attempts to kill him in broad daylight. Thematically, this would be about heat and fear, with Gotham sweltering in summer and Black Mask terrorising the city at the same time as Scarecrow.
    (I actually wrote a spec. script for this one once...)

    A second Schumacher/Kilmer film
    Batman: Dark Knight
    New characters: Harley Quinn played by Jerry Hall, Mad Hatter played by Steve Buscemi
    Returning characters: Robin, Alfred, Gordon, Chase Meridian, Alicia Hunt (from '89, as Harley Quinn)
    Scenario: Alicia Hunt, Joker's 'art project' from the first film returns as Harley Quinn, with a vendetta against Batman. On a quest to cause insanity, she kidnaps, tortures and breaks Jervis Tetch, a WayneTech employee, turning him into the sadistic Mad Hatter (sounds a little similar to the Riddler, I know, but hey, this is meant to be Schumacher after all). Thematically this would be about the demons of the past. It would also give us a better reason for Chase Meridian leaving.

    A second Schumacher/Clooney film
    Batman Triumphant
    New characters: Robin becomes Nightwing, Man-Bat (small role), Killer Croc (small role), Charaxes (small role), Ra's Al Ghul played by Mads Mikkelsen, Talia played by Famke Janssen
    Returning characters: Batgirl, Alfred, Gordon, Robin (as Nightwing)
    Scenario: After Batman & Robin, an almost Batman Incorporated scenario has been developed, with Batgirl and Nightwing as 'agents'. This would be a globe-trotting entry with Batman stationed in Paris, Batgirl at home in Gotham and Nightwing in the Middle East (with them coming together at Gotham at the end). Nightwing is tracing the mysterious head of the League of Shadows in the Middle East, after several earlier attacks on Gotham City. When they begin mutating citizens of Gotham into 'splicers' such as Man-Bat and Killer Croc, Batgirl has to keep the homefront under control. Meanwhile Batman is trying to find Talia in Paris, hoping that Ra's al Ghul's estranged daughter will give them the help they need to stop The Demon's Head from destroying Gotham with splicers. This would really be action-oriented and very adventure-driven.

    A fourth Nolan/Bale film
    Shadow of the Bat (set BETWEEN Batman Begins and The Dark Knight)
    New characters: Huntress/Helena Bertinelli, Penguin played by Jim Broadbent
    Returning characters: Alfred, Lucius, Harvey Dent (cameo), Gordon, Rachel, Scarecrow, Sal Maroni
    Scenario: Set between the first two films, this shows the clean-up of The Narrows. It also shows Scarecrow as the primary, big-bad villain, with a rogue Huntress threatening to kill the mafia bosses as a secondary villain. Meanwhile the Penguin rises as an arms dealer. In the background there are references to escalation and the 'Joker'. The themes would be 'inspiration' and 'escalation' - what happens when the symbol you've created inspires violence?


    It's fun saying 'what if'.
     
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    This would have been really cool to explore(training/travel).As for Keaton's third outing as Batman,I'm most curious about what he and Burton's version would done visually and characterwise with Two Face.I believe I once read that Billy Dee Williams signed on the original film as Harvey Dent in hopes of becoming Two Face down the road.I know that elements of the Max Shrek character from Returns used elements of Harvey and Two Face as well.
     
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    Very interesting ideas kewlmatto!
     
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    I would have wanted to see Keaton have a go at the Batman Forever story, with different actors for the villains and a different director.

    I'm not a fan of Burton's "be weird for weirdness' sake" style, although I really like Batman and most of Batman Returns. Forever had so much potential to be great, though, I think Keaton returning with a similar visual style as Burton's films would have been great. Just...without the over the top Burtonisms.

    So yeah, a third Keaton film would have beaten any of the others. Kilmer was a good Wayne, but not Batman, and Clooney just sucked all around. Bale was the best but I feel completely satisfied with the trilogy being just that.

    EDIT: Interesting idea. How supportive would you guys be if the reboot was actually a direct sequel to Batman Returns, with Keaton returning as an older Bruce Wayne, but introducing Robin and various Bat-family members?
     
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  8. Mace Dolex Powerful User

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    It would've been interesting to see a third Burton/Keaton flick had it not been for soccer moms pissing in protest forcing WB to reset the franchise.

    It's hard to think now how WB gave Christopher Nolan total freedom on Batman considering how his version is even moreso realistic with adult themes.
     
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    Love those ideas but Shreck was fried. He couldn't have come back.
     
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    Yeah, he was a little too well done to go back on the shelf.
     
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    Yes, I suppose you are right. But then again, we saw Selina Kyle live after falling over twenty storeys. Burton's Batworld was a little more flexible on the rules.

    I think Shreck could have been a great 'big bad'. Ideally, however, it would have been Harvey Dent instead of Max Shreck, with Selina making him Two-Face at the end of Returns.

    I really wish Burton got a third film. Heck, I'd just love it if we got a DTV animated 'what-if' with Burton producing. That way there's no worries about the actors being older. Plus, the thought of seeing Gotham as almost the opposite of Returns in terms of colours - oranges, browns, etc. and the Halloween imagery of Scarecrow could have been an excellent palette for Burton.
     
  12. Drizzle Eh.

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    Out of all of those, I'd prefer another Keaton sequel. It always seemed like there was unfinished business with the Burton films and even though Forever still has Michael Gough, Pat Hingle and that Catwoman reference, it still feels like a reboot.
     
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    Update on the third Batman/Keaton film I posted about above. I've started to draft a proper script.

    Here is a link to the thread where you can read Part 1. I will post Part 2 soon.

    //forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=391491

    Let me know what you think!
     
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    Yes times three!!! Even if it were a short story like the Gotham Knight dtv.
     
  15. henzINNIT Registered

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    Would have loved to see a third Burton/Keaton film. Hell, I'd gladly take it now.
     
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    So pretty much the first movie?
     
  17. CinematicESP Registered

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    Thinking about it, Batman Beyond could be an interesting idea for a third Burton/Keaton film. Burton's Gotham is so unique as it is, just imagine him visualizing a futuristic version of it.

    Along the same lines, how about Adam West in either Batman Beyond or The Dark Knight Returns set in a very "Sixties" future, played for laughs.
     
  18. kewlmatto Registered

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    I could definitely see the first one working. Not sure if it would quite be Burton's style - he's never really done anything futuristic, but I'd like to see it. Keaton as old Bruce would be great.

    Second one...not so much.
     
  19. mjbull23 Beyond Good and Evil

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    I would have liked a 3rd Keaton film where we see Billy Dee (Dent) become two face and takes up his revenge with Batman aided by a returning catwoman (Pfeiffer).
     
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    Yes, please.
    As another has pointed out, I wouldn't know how Burton would portray a futuristic Gotham but I'd love to see his efforts. I just hope his depiction of future Gotham would not be sooo..."twisty-building."


    Anyway, I'd love to see Keaton play mentor.
     
  21. kewlmatto Registered

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    Yep, I really would want to see some of that Chinese-inspired cyberpunk architecture from the series.

    Come to think of it, Keaton is the right age now - you age him to make him 70s Bruce, but he is still young enough to show Bruce's last stint as Batman at the beginning of the film or in a flashback.
     

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