If Justice League is a success

[Tg11]

If Justice League is a success, it begs the question of where the DCEU goes from here? By that I mean if The Justice League is basically the foundation for the DCEU and both films Part 1 & 2 are successes, how do you build upon the DCEU future-wise?

 

[Mandon Knight]

Oh boy, batten the hatches.....

 

[metaphysician]

What Part 2? There's currently no reason to believe JL is set up at all to be a two part movie.

 

[DrCosmic]

On October 15, 2014, Warner Bros. announced the film would be released in two parts, with Part One releasing on November 17, 2017, and Part Two on June 14, 2019. Snyder will direct both films.[62] In early July 2015, EW revealed that the script for Justice League Part One had been completed by Terrio.[63] Zack Snyder stated that the film will be inspired by the New Gods comic series by Jack Kirby.[4] Although Justice League was initially announced as a two-part film with the second part releasing two years after the first, Snyder announced in June 2016 that they would be two distinct, separate films and not one film split into two parts, both being stand-alone stories.[64][65]

So... it's hard to really get excited about the DCEU going forward, especially not knowing what kind of foundation JL 1, 2 or the films in between it are going to build. Batman? Wonder Woman 2? Batgirl? Sirens? Shazam? A Shazamless Black Adam Origin movie? No idea.

My honest vote is always Crisis on Infinite Earths, and then start fresh with a series of shot at once trilogies for the big guns interspersed with one shots for the smaller mythologies. There will never be a time where as high a percentage of people who have played Superman and Batman will be alive and working, and now is the time to put them all in the same room and tell an incredible story and then go in a new non-divisive direction, because the truth is that Justice League will be successful, but that won't change what the DCEU is nor what it represents, nor what has happened pre-JL in the stories.

 

[Flint Marko]

"Success" is a tricky word to use in this context as there are various degrees of what people would call "successful". Some people would call the first three DCEU films successful because they personally really liked them and the films didn't lose money. For the record I don't think that's a correct barometer for success and I think most people would agree with me.

The biggest reason (and I have several) why I'm confident JL won't be successful is due to them reconfiguring it from a two-part story to a single standalone movie, and still having to undergo extensive reshoots after the fact. I think the best case scenario is that it receives a MoS level reception with a BvS level box office.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Id assume Superman, Flash, and Cyborg solo movies start getting more concrete. Still got no idea when they'd be coming out though considering so many other movies are also "in development" including non DCEU canon movies

 

[Arkham Kylo]

They could easily move forward within the DCEU.
The best way would be to venture out into the story of the separate heroes
and then tie it all together to build up to an epic face-off with Darkseid.

 

[writer0327]

I doubt JL2 will come out in 2019 regardless of the success of JL. Why not start solo films for all the characters and build up to a big event film? Kinda like another company did.

 

[Guard82]

They definitely should build up the other JL heroes in their own solo films going forward. And at some point, they absolutely have to do a movie where Darkseid is the main front-and-center villain, because they've clearly been building him up for some time. We may or may not get a glimpse of Darkseid working in the shadows in JL, while Steppenwolf serves as the main active villain, but at some point Darkseid needs to be the main active threat.

 

[regnak]

How do we define JLA's success anyway?

 

[writer0327]

How do we define JLA's success anyway?

Good question. My definition for success for the JL:

Outdo BvS WW box office of $873M
Fresh on RT.

If they only achieved one but not the other, the folks at WB would probably hail it as a success, but in reality, there's a bit of a FAIL there.

 

[Batmannerism]

Given DC's movie track record (post Nolan) let's not get ahead of ourselves.

However, if JL is a success (financially, and at least moderately favorable reviews) well at least WB will feel less nervous about making more cbm films.

To be honest, I still think they should focus on getting films about their main characters right ( which WW has shown us they can) before looking at projects like a Joker origin film....which to me is probably the least needed film they could possibly plan - part of the Joker's mystique is that we really don't know where he came from - a Joker movie, where he tells different versions of his origin, and we're left wondering, well that might work.

I suppose the MCU has managed to make films about Dr Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy which are hugely enjoyable (I love GOTG) but that came on the back of Iron Man and Avengers (and we've still only had mediocre Hulk films - I'm one of the three people who actually prefers Ang Lee's Hulk, but it still could be a lot better, looking forward to seeing what Taika does with him).

By comparison DC's attempt to make a film about B-list characters was a disaster.

Anyway, fingers crossed that JL will restore some audience goodwill, make some money (and not get panned by the critics). If all that happens then WB can breath a sigh of relief and start thinking about what next ?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Success as in box office or critical? Because it will be a box office success (how big of one is a different story) but critical is totally different. If it can pull a WW and do well on both then it will probably change things a little bit.

 

[writer0327]

To be honest, I still think they should focus on getting films about their main characters right

This right here. RIGHT HERE!!

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman

Get these character right before you start on anything else. WW is obviously well on her way. Get their solo trilogies going and make them solid, airtight, A1 trilogies. Stop worrying about what are we doing with the Suicide Squad, Flash, Nightwing, etc. Yes yes yes we all want to see these films, but if you can't knock out three "good" (not asking for great....just "good") trilogies with the HOLY TRINITY OF SUPERHEROES, then you're massively failing.

Say what you want about the individual films, but Iron Man, Cap and Thor's trilogies will go down as "good" trilogies, and that's all the MCU needed. DC should be capable of much more given the characters and universe they get to work with.

 

[Iceman]

"Success" is a tricky word to use in this context as there are various degrees of what people would call "successful". Some people would call the first three DCEU films successful because they personally really liked them and the films didn't lose money. For the record I don't think that's a correct barometer for success and I think most people would agree with me.

The biggest reason (and I have several) why I'm confident JL won't be successful is due to them reconfiguring it from a two-part story to a single standalone movie, and still having to undergo extensive reshoots after the fact. I think the best case scenario is that it receives a MoS level reception with a BvS level box office.

It's not tricky at all. Everyone knows what success is for these kinds of films and they only try out new definitions when something that they wanted to be successful doesn't meet the expected levels. If not losing money is a barometer of success then I have just had a very successful last 5 minutes! I will probably have another very successful 8 hours when I go to bed tonight.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

I think, whether youre a fan of this or not, having continuity throughout the DC universe will help it being successful. With these rumors of Affleck leaving the character of Batman every other week & a Joker movie with a different actor , although he is much better, I think that makes to turbulent an evironment to want to invest your time and $ with.

 

[Drseuss]

"Success" is a tricky word to use in this context as there are various degrees of what people would call "successful". Some people would call the first three DCEU films successful because they personally really liked them and the films didn't lose money. For the record I don't think that's a correct barometer for success and I think most people would agree with me.

The biggest reason (and I have several) why I'm confident JL won't be successful is due to them reconfiguring it from a two-part story to a single standalone movie, and still having to undergo extensive reshoots after the fact. I think the best case scenario is that it receives a MoS level reception with a BvS level box office.

like how infinity war is no longer a two part story??

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Focus on solo films and making them good until the next event film

 

[Frodo]

I think that if JL is a success critically and moneywise they way WW was, they'll be less jittery about moving forward with The Flash, MOS 2, Cyborg, GCS,and Joker and Harley films. It'll also likely make them really want to get on with making Batgirl given Whedon is the director.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they put the idea of the elseworld's films label and films like the Joker origin on the back-burner . If JL goes over very well , they may feel less pressure to put into production films not tied to the continuity.

The Batman, WW2, and it appears Shazam!, are givens at this point regardless of the reception JL receives , but I definitely think if JL goes the way of WW, they'll be alot more confident in moving forward with other mainline DCU continuity films.

I think regardless of what happens ,they'll be more of an emphasis on stand alone director driven films as opposed to each film having to be accountable to another film.

 

[Iceman]

I think that if JL is a success critically and moneywise they way WW was, they'll be less jittery about moving forward with The Flash, MOS 2, Cyborg, GCS,and Joker and Harley films. It'll also likely make them really want to get on with making Batgirl given Whedon is the director.

Agreed.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they put the idea of the elseworld's films label and films like the Joker origin on the back-burner . If JL goes over very well , they may feel less pressure to put into production films not tied to the continuity.

I hope so.

The Batman, WW2, and it appears Shazam!, are givens at this point regardless of the reception JL receives , but I definitely think if JL goes the way of WW, they'll be alot more confident in moving forward with other mainline DCU continuity films.

Also hope this happens.

 

[dyl1dyl]

I'm hoping Justice league gets to 900mil/1bil+ and gets at least fresh on rotten tomatoes just so that movies like GCS, Batgirl, JL2, etc get made

 

[extra skater]

How do we define JLA's success anyway?

+ 1 billion box office and certified fresh consensus on Rotten Tomatoes

 

[jmc]

JL had been retooled by WB to be a stand alone film for good reason. If they were super confident about the direction things were going they would have left JL as a two-parter. By trimming it down to one film they're not committing themselves to a sequel that audiences might not want.

 

[Jekecy]

JL had been retooled by WB to be a stand alone film for good reason. If they were super confident about the direction things were going they would have left JL as a two-parter. By trimming it down to one film they're not committing themselves to a sequel that audiences might not want.

Not necessarily the case considering Marvel just did that with Infinity War, and that's probably their most confident tentpole yet.

 

[Frodo]

They've always been reactive , even going as far back as the some of the parental backlash to Batman Returns in 1992. There's a reason Burton wasn't invited back.

While alot of the younger CBM fans get surprised and angered by the ups and downs of the development of the projects, as someone who's followed the production of these films going back to the casting and production of Batman Forever , its not that surprising for me seeing WB basically do what they've done for 20 odd years.

They've always tended to air on the side of caution than taking major risks, and its only within the last few years they really went all in on the cinematic universe thing. They've usually tended to adjust their plans to either public indifference or displeasure to the films, in addition to box office results.

In alot of ways, Nolan and TDK trilogy was an aberration for WB. They had one film maker, one vision, and no real problems of developing those films. Still, it took them 20 years to get to SR ,then another several years to get to MOS.