Justice League If TDK won't be related to JL, do you still want MoS to be?

[ThePhantasm]

It might sound crazy but I believe the main factor that will determine whether or not you can start a shared universe with MoS is Metropolis itself.

I agree to a degree (hey that rhymes) that a more stylized, architecturally unique Metropolis would be a lot of fun. Something like the sort of old retro-looking style of Metropolis in STAS. Don't know if we'll get that though, and I'm not sure that I'd call it the "main factor" in determining a shared universe.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

The main problem with Nolan's Batman in JL is not that he can't fit. Can he fit in somehow? Yes. Is he exactly the best choice for the version of Batman they should use in JL? No. I would prefer if the Batman they use in JL has a more fabric and more accurate costume to the comics (the Nolan costume looks bad during daytime IMO) and is far stronger and more experienced than the Nolan version.

good point. But Bats could always use a new suit for the JL movies. His post-Gotham-retirement suit.

Though personally I think the BB/TDK style worked well for the movies. They should just make the body dark grey instead of black, new-52 style.

I think the main factor that will determine from a subconscious point of view whether or not MoS can work in a shared JL universe is Metropolis itself. If Metropolis looks a bit stylized and futuristic just like in the comics, then that will give the audience the feel that this is a vast world where many different things can happen. But if Metropolis looks like an ordinary American city just like how Gotham did for the most part in the Nolan films, then people will get the feeling that MoS is more "real world" like the TDK trilogy and that there aren't as many larger-than-life characters that exist in this universe other than Superman. Also keep in mind that Batman is being rebooted (let's face it) and I'm assuming that in order for WB to distinguish itself from the Nolan films by a bit, they'll have a more accurate to the comics costume and a Gotham that looks slightly more gothic like the comics. It would be extremely weird if Gotham looks a bit stylized while Metropolis looks like New York or the average American city.

It might sound crazy but I believe the main factor that will determine whether or not you can start a shared universe with MoS is Metropolis itself.

Agreed.

However, I don't think that they should ever use too 'stylized' of cities.

Or at least don't use a set. My least favourite part about the old movies, Burton movies included, was the 'set' feel.

Besides, Gotham isn't really portrayed in the modern comics as being 'gothic'.

Metropolis isn't portrayed as being 'futuristic' either. Or at least from I remember from this year of comics. Though I think a 'slightly' futuristic Metropolis would still mesh alright with Gotham in the Nolan movies.

 

[shauner111]

I don't know how far they'll go with the look for Metropolis, but didn't they shoot it in Chicago? The Gotham of Batman Begins and Dark Knight?

 

[Shikamaru]

I agree to a degree (hey that rhymes) that a more stylized, architecturally unique Metropolis would be a lot of fun. Something like the sort of old retro-looking style of Metropolis in STAS. Don't know if we'll get that though, and I'm not sure that I'd call it the "main factor" in determining a shared universe.

Agreed.

However, I don't think that they should ever use too 'stylized' of cities.

Or at least don't use a set. My least favourite part about the old movies, Burton movies included, was the 'set' feel.

Besides, Gotham isn't really portrayed in the modern comics as being 'gothic'.

Metropolis isn't portrayed as being 'futuristic' either. Or at least from I remember from this year of comics. Though I think a 'slightly' futuristic Metropolis would still mesh alright with Gotham in the Nolan movies.

Metropolis doesn't have to look too stylized. It's not exactly a very stylized city in the comics to begin with. Just making it slightly stylized is good enough. In the comics, Metropolis is a slightly exaggerated version of all the positive aspects of New York while Gotham is a slightly exaggerated version of all the negative aspects of New York. Everything good that people say about New York (the city that never sleeps, the city with the tallest skyscrapers, city of hope and pride, etc.) applies to Metropolis but to a slightly greater extent. Metropolis doesn't have to look too futuristic. At least 10 years ahead of New York is enough. There are cities in real life as well that look more futuristic than any American city; they're just not found in America. Dubai is a good example of what Metropolis should look like .

Or at least don't use a set. My least favourite part about the old movies, Burton movies included, was the 'set' feel.

Agreed. They shouldn't use a set. But like I said, it doesn't have to look too stylized. Just slightly stylized is good enough. They can shoot everything in real cities and then add some CGI parts to it here and there (which sounds like something Zack Snyder usually does).

Besides, Gotham isn't really portrayed in the modern comics as being 'gothic'.

It had several different looks depending on the writer. 'Gothic' is just one of them. Nolan's version of Gotham is also technically a version from the comics since Gotham appeared to look just like that before, specifically in the 80s and early 90s comics. Reason that the Gothic version of Gotham hasn't appeared as much in the recent comics anymore is due to No Man's Land. Most writers hold to the belief that Gotham's gothic buildings were replaced with more modern buildings by the end of No Man's Land.

I don't know how far they'll go with the look for Metropolis, but didn't they shoot it in Chicago? The Gotham of Batman Begins and Dark Knight?

From my understanding, only certain parts were shot there. I know the Daily Planet was shot there for sure. But like I said, the best way to do a stylized Metropolis still in the "real world" and without using a set is to shoot some footage in real cities and then add a bit CGI to some of the buildings to make it look unique. Batman Begins did this to an extent with the narrows, the Wayne tower, and the railway.

 

[TheVileOne]

I just don't see how they can make Man of Steel their only jumping off point for a sequel Justice League movie series.

 

[cleverusername8]

I just don't see how they can make Man of Steel their only jumping off point for a sequel Justice League movie series.

Easy. They introduce everyone else in the film and have one of Superman's villains be the big bad. They already have Batman and Green Lantern's origins out of the way anyway.

Have you ever seen Justice League New Frontier? They introduced Hal and Martian Manhunter's origins in the film and it didn't feel like eaten up time. It fit the story so that's all they have to do: make the back stories tie into the plot.

Also they should consider starting off with the heroes already established in the world. As in they've been heroes for a while individually. That'll straighten out some potential story slack as well.

 

[Deathstroke]

Zod as the villain of JL would be amazing.

Apparently Shannon delivered the breakout performance in Man of Steel.

 

[Zionite1]

No No.
No superman villains as Jl villain.For God sakes let those villains appear in the superman movies first before you use them.So no Lex, or Branaic.Zod isnt even a Jl villain.Darkseid cld be used because he isnt technically a Superman villain-hes DC universe villain.

All the Jl movie needs to say is that Superman was the first superhero,other superheroes came after-You dont need to say each of their origins just establish that there are superheroes.Like the incredibles didnt give origin stories for the heroes-we just accepted it without a thought.

The Jl movie shld have a JL villain.Period.Hyperclan,Darkseid,Omacs,Savage etc this are your candidates

 

[Deathstroke]

Considering you're already introducing 6 very divergent characters with 6 very divergent backstories and powers in JL, there really isn't much room to develop brand new villains.

I think keeping Zod and the Kryptonians as the JL villains would be a smart move from a writing standpoint.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

But potentially a boring and unoriginal move narratively. We don't actually know if Man of Steel will have any sequels, Justice League or otherwise. So presumably Zod will have a complete story arc in Man of Steel. If he doesn't then that is a fault of Man of Steel. If he does then it's a "Revenge!" story. That would be too reminiscent of Thor/Avengers.

No Zod for me.

 

[Deathstroke]

Will Zod have a complete arc in Man of Steel? That's TBD.

The film could very well leave his ending open, just as Nolan planned to with the Joker in TDK (before Ledger died).

JL could easily be Phase Two of his plan to rebuild Krypton on Earth.


Using Loki worked out great for Avengers. It gave the film enough time to develop the lead superheroes without introducing a completely new threat.


I'm cool with the JL Villain being Kryptonian in nature because audiences have already been exposed to the Krypton stuff in Man of Steel. The ground is laid. Zod has the Black Zero and a giant robotic army. It's perfect.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Will Zod have a complete arc in Man of Steel? That's TBD.

The film could very well leave his ending open, just as Nolan planned to with the Joker in TDK (before Ledger died).

JL could easily be Phase Two of his plan to rebuild Krypton on Earth.


Using Loki worked out great for Avengers. It gave the film enough time to develop the lead superheroes without introducing a completely new threat.


I'm cool with the JL Villain being Kryptonian in nature because audiences have already been exposed to the Krypton stuff in Man of Steel. The ground is laid. Zod has the Black Zero and a giant robotic army. It's perfect.

Loki is an Avengers villain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zod isn't a Justice League villain, just a Superman villain.

I mean, personally, I dont really care what the story is for Justice League much. I'm just pointing out why Loki worked and Zod may not.

 

[shauner111]

Don't like the idea of using Zod.

 

[Dangerman]

Loki is an Avengers villain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zod isn't a Justice League villain, just a Superman villain.

I mean, personally, I dont really care what the story is for Justice League much. I'm just pointing out why Loki worked and Zod may not.

Well Darkseid used to be a Superman only villiain much like Zod but they branched him out. The same could be done with Zod.

 

[BlueLightning]

The thing is, I don't really think Zod has the impact for being a Justice League villain in the way that Darkseid is. He has an story of being more than just a Superman foe, in fact he was unrelated to Superman in the beginning.

But if Thanos appears in Avengers 2, which is a given, Darkseid would seem like a ripoff, which is ironic.

 

[ThePhantasm]

A JL film should do something more complex than a simple alien threat, as well. I think something along the lines of JLU's CADMUS arc, with the ominous "future" / "alternate reality" of the Justice Lords, would be much darker and more intriguing and make JL different from the Avengers.

To be honest, much of my desire to see Darkseid on film has vaporized at this point.

 

[BlueLightning]

The Cadmus Arc on JLU was one of the most awesome things I have seen. It would be different enough from the Avengers, having the government being distrustful of the League. Something along the lines of Crisis on Two Earths and Doom, where the League faces an evil version of themselves would be pretty cool.

 

[cleverusername8]

Let me clarify, I was not referring to Zod when I made my comment about including a Superman villain as the JL threat. I meant A Superman villain not THE one. I agree using Zod would seem cheap and potentially draw fire from the audience for more reason than one. So best bet would be using Lex (assembling an Injustice Gang of sorts), Ultraman and his Crime Syndicate, Brainiac or Luthor + Brainiac a la JLU, or Darkseid but only as a last resort. I'm surr many of you who know the comics better could dig deeper into the mythos to find an enemy that could relate to each hero in some way, shape, or form but for now, these are the only ones I could think of.

But to tie back to the topic at hand, none of the above mentioned could exist soundly in Nolan Batman's little world. They'd screw quite a bit up as would many of the teammates contrary to what some would insist here.

 

[Zionite1]

Well Darkseid used to be a Superman only villiain much like Zod but they branched him out. The same could be done with Zod.

Darkseid wasnt really a Superman villain.He was introduced as DC universe villain and Superman was one of the 1st heroes to face him.

I see no reason why a Superman villain has to be a JL movie villain.Especially if they have not yet appeared in the Supermans new movie Frachise first so no Lex or Baraniac.Honestly Jl has its own rogue gallery pick from there

 

[Edguy]

Please no time travel / dimensional escapades.. No writers ever manage to pull that of without plot holes and paradoxes everywhere. As a realist, stuff like that really ruins films for me..

 

[ThePhantasm]

Please no time travel / dimensional escapades.. No writers ever manage to pull that of without plot holes and paradoxes everywhere. As a realist, stuff like that really ruins films for me..

Stuff like guys flying in the air faster than a speeding bullet, forming shapes with green rings, and running fast enough to jump into the future? Stuff like that?

 

[Edguy]

Stuff like guys flying in the air faster than a speeding bullet, forming shapes with green rings, and running fast..

See, I can suspend disbelief. All the extraordinary things are ok, as long as they are explained in some fashion. But I can not suspend plot holes. And when there is time/dimensional travel, there are always plot holes.

..enough to jump into the future?

Don't get me started..

 

[BlueLightning]

Not necessarily, well handed it could turn out a great story.

 

[Edguy]

Yeah, but the thing is it never is. I haven't read said story, but from my experience, I have yet to encounter a mainstream time travel story that makes sense..

 

[Shikamaru]

The JL movie shouldn't include time travelling especially since X-Men: Days of Future Past is coming out a year before and it might be accused of copying it for doing that. That is if JL comes out in 2015. But even without that factor, I'm not exactly too fond of the idea myself.