The Amazing Spider-Man If Venom is used again, this is how he should look!

[Godzilla2014]

It could work.

You want me to tell you about my incarnation of Eddie Brock so you can have the whole picture?

 

[Spider-Vader]

This article states my opinion on the tongue and Venom as a character pretty well.
What Happened to Venom?

Nice read on my favorite Spidey villain. He would be my favorite comic villain if it weren't for the mighty Victor Von Doom. t:

 

[Godzilla2014]

Nice read on my favorite Spidey villain. He would be my favorite comic villain if it weren't for the mighty Victor Von Doom. t:

For me, I think he ties with the Green Goblin as my favorite Spider-Man villain.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I like the tongue, but I don't like it being extremely long & I HATE the drool. I also like the anti-hero aspect, though I can see why you like him solely being a villain.

I got an interesting idea that they could use in a movie. Venom tires to ruin both Peter Parker's & Spider-Man's lives. We all know how he can torture Parker, but besides just beating Spidey up, maybe Venom can try to replace him as NY's main hero? That'd tie the anti-hero aspect up & make it more interesting IMO.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

To Gozilla,


I do fully understand why you dis-like monstrous Venom so much and are very much against the tongue being shown, you feel it de-values the character and makes him seem more ******ed and not the clever character you originally saw him as.


My answer to that would be, the Venom I grew up with had the protruding tongue and the huge body. Venom was always so rock and roll compared to some of the other villains like Doc Ock, the Vulture, etc. To me, it didn't seem like he had a great amount of intelligence like Norman Osbourne, Curt Connors and the last two Otto Octavias and Adrien Toombs. He wasn't a scientist messing with science that went wrong and isn't criminally insane. He is just a guy with a clear vengeance for Peter.


To me that's always what made Venom so scary and antagonistic as a villain, he had a vengeance for Peter before he got his transformation, rather than while Spider-Man tries stopping his plans.
Some of the other villains did have some similarities with Peter; as in both geeks, both into science, both get involved in science experiments gone wrong. But Eddie Brock is much, much different to Peter, he's more like the popular guy in school who had the confidence Peter didn't have.


Eddie is very, very cocky, so it makes sense that when you get him angry and then vengeful, with the use of the symbiote, he would use and over abuse it, to the point that the symbiote begins to control him.

I haven't read a great deal of comics on Venom, but I never, ever got the sense that a long protruding tongue made him look unintelligent, to me it seems more creepy to think that the symbiote itself is actually controlling a human man making him into a monster. That the symbiote is almost becoming the dominant personality itself rather than Eddie Brock using it and still having his own mind.


I never particularly saw Venom as one the most interesting and conflicted characters/villains personality wise, I think for the most part, Venom is a great visual and makes a great physical contrast and battle for Spider-Man.


I think it's great to see how Peter controls the symbiote verses how Eddie controls it. Obviously I think having him look super huge like in some pics is going over the top. I don't think anyone expects that. But I want a bit of the goriness and grime that comes with Venom. Have you seen the vampires in 30 days of Night? They are very bloody and look scary because of their grittiness.


I mean.. I respect your opinion and you seem quite passionate about your idea of Venom, but I just feel there are enough 'normal' human looking villains in the roster that Venom can be one of the few that look feral, animalistic and monstrous, but still have a smart and sharp mind which is focused on bringing down Peter/ Spider-Man.

Personally I prefer this kind of look the best for Venom

Spoiler

It's not tooo big, not tooo OTT, the tongue isn't overly huge or anything and yet, to me it gives the perfect image of Venom of rage and total hunger.

Just imagine if that version of Venom suddenly turned around and started revealing his plans to kill Spider-Man. Exactly.

 

[VenomSpawn]

That picture of Venom is perfect, except that I think Venom should have the Bagley Venom's teeth. (see my avatar)

Oh and it should obviously have a different symbol.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I like the tongue, but I don't like it being extremely long & I HATE the drool. I also like the anti-hero aspect, though I can see why you like him solely being a villain.

I got an interesting idea that they could use in a movie. Venom tires to ruin both Peter Parker's & Spider-Man's lives. We all know how he can torture Parker, but besides just beating Spidey up, maybe Venom can try to replace him as NY's main hero? That'd tie the anti-hero aspect up & make it more interesting IMO.

The anti-hero aspect was completely mishandled in the 90s. Venom should never be any sort of "Protector", because protecting something generally requires taking responsibility for its wellbeing. Venom is anti-responsibility. If Venom is to be an anti-hero, he should attack criminals out of sadism, not compassion. He's not doing it to save anybody or help the community, he's doing it to kill people.

To Gozilla,


I do fully understand why you dis-like monstrous Venom so much and are very much against the tongue being shown, you feel it de-values the character and makes him seem more ******ed and not the clever character you originally saw him as.


My answer to that would be, the Venom I grew up with had the protruding tongue and the huge body. Venom was always so rock and roll compared to some of the other villains like Doc Ock, the Vulture, etc. To me, it didn't seem like he had a great amount of intelligence like Norman Osbourne, Curt Connors and the last two Otto Octavias and Adrien Toombs. He wasn't a scientist messing with science that went wrong and isn't criminally insane. He is just a guy with a clear vengeance for Peter.


To me that's always what made Venom so scary and antagonistic as a villain, he had a vengeance for Peter before he got his transformation, rather than while Spider-Man tries stopping his plans.
Some of the other villains did have some similarities with Peter; as in both geeks, both into science, both get involved in science experiments gone wrong. But Eddie Brock is much, much different to Peter, he's more like the popular guy in school who had the confidence Peter didn't have.


Eddie is very, very cocky, so it makes sense that when you get him angry and then vengeful, with the use of the symbiote, he would use and over abuse it, to the point that the symbiote begins to control him.

I haven't read a great deal of comics on Venom, but I never, ever got the sense that a long protruding tongue made him look unintelligent, to me it seems more creepy to think that the symbiote itself is actually controlling a human man making him into a monster. That the symbiote is almost becoming the dominant personality itself rather than Eddie Brock using it and still having his own mind.


I never particularly saw Venom as one the most interesting and conflicted characters/villains personality wise, I think for the most part, Venom is a great visual and makes a great physical contrast and battle for Spider-Man.


I think it's great to see how Peter controls the symbiote verses how Eddie controls it. Obviously I think having him look super huge like in some pics is going over the top. I don't think anyone expects that. But I want a bit of the goriness and grime that comes with Venom. Have you seen the vampires in 30 days of Night? They are very bloody and look scary because of their grittiness.


I mean.. I respect your opinion and you seem quite passionate about your idea of Venom, but I just feel there are enough 'normal' human looking villains in the roster that Venom can be one of the few that look feral, animalistic and monstrous, but still have a smart and sharp mind which is focused on bringing down Peter/ Spider-Man.

Personally I prefer this kind of look the best for Venom

Spoiler

It's not tooo big, not tooo OTT, the tongue isn't overly huge or anything and yet, to me it gives the perfect image of Venom of rage and total hunger.

Just imagine if that version of Venom suddenly turned around and started revealing his plans to kill Spider-Man. Exactly.

I grew up with Venom having the tongue as well, but I still don't like it. To me, Venom's tongue made him look like an idiot. Why is Eddie forming a tongue? What is the meaning of the tongue and what does it say about the character? The sadistic grin was far more menacing than the protruding tongue and drool ever were.

This

Is much scarier than this

Or this

Venom is arguably the most terrifying Spider-Man villain, at least in the visuals department. Making Venom look scary is nowhere the uphill battle it is with the Green Goblin (at least in his classic look). Let's not add a bunch of extraneous crap.

 

[Troy_Parker]

You want me to tell you about my incarnation of Eddie Brock so you can have the whole picture?

Sure!

 

[spideyguy16]

@warrior
Wow. That is completely and entirely the best way to approach an argument kudos.
They call that the rogerian argument (if you weren't familiar with your agrumentive style)

 

[Godzilla2014]

Sure!

Well, here goes:
Eddie Brock is Peter Parker's childhood friend, and their parents were colleagues that were often working on the same projects until they died in a plane crash. After Eddie Brock graduated from Midtown High School, he goes to Empire State University and becomes Dr. Curt Connors's lab assistant. He gives a good word to Dr. Connors about Peter Parker, and Connors gives Peter an internship.

At one point, Eddie Brock is kidnapped by the Green Goblin who is trying to find Peter Parker due to his connections to Spider-Man. This experience traumatizes Eddie Brock, making him feel powerless, and he takes up MMA fighting to empower himself.

After Gwen's death, John Jameson brings the symbiote from space, and it is sent to Dr. Connors for analysis. The symbiote bonds to Peter Parker, enhancing his aggression. This costs Connors's lab the funding required to keep Eddie on the payroll. Peter has a crisis of conscience, gets rid of it, and then it bonds to Eddie Brock.

Brock realizes that Peter Parker has been Spider-Man the whole time, endangering him without ever telling him about it. This enrages Eddie and he joins with with the symbiote to become Venom to kill Peter Parker. They are defeated, but not before they inform Harry Osborn of his father's life as the Green Goblin.

What do you think?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Well, here goes:
Eddie Brock is Peter Parker's childhood friend, and their parents were colleagues that were often working on the same projects until they died in a plane crash. After Eddie Brock graduated from Midtown High School, he goes to Empire State University and becomes Dr. Curt Connors's lab assistant. He gives a good word to Dr. Connors about Peter Parker, and Connors gives Peter an internship.

At one point, Eddie Brock is kidnapped by the Green Goblin who is trying to find Peter Parker due to his connections to Spider-Man. This experience traumatizes Eddie Brock, making him feel powerless, and he takes up MMA fighting to empower himself.

After Gwen's death, John Jameson brings the symbiote from space, and it is sent to Dr. Connors for analysis. The symbiote bonds to Peter Parker, enhancing his aggression. This costs Connors's lab the funding required to keep Eddie on the payroll. Peter has a crisis of conscience, gets rid of it, and then it bonds to Eddie Brock.

Brock realizes that Peter Parker has been Spider-Man the whole time, endangering him without ever telling him about it. This enrages Eddie and he joins with with the symbiote to become Venom to kill Peter Parker. They are defeated, but not before they inform Harry Osborn of his father's life as the Green Goblin.

What do you think?

First part's from the Ultimate universe isn't it?

I like it, makes Eddie/Venom seem like a very strong character. Good way of linking up Venom and Harry too.

(I've always seen him as a strong character, but not everyone has :\)

 

[Godzilla2014]

First parts from the Ultimate universe isn't it?

I like it, makes Eddie/Venom seem like a very strong character. Good way of linking up Venom and Harry too.

(I've always seen him as a strong character, but not everyone has :\)

Thanks! I'd say it's more derived from the The Spectacular Spider-Man incarnation overall, but it was originated in the Ultimate universe.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Very cool.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

For me, I think he ties with the Green Goblin as my favorite Spider-Man villain.

IMO, Green Goblin is Spidey's greatest foe with Doc Ock coming in at a close second. However, I still do love Venom. The Goblin's legacy has left a permanent mark on PPeter's life for decades. Whether it's Norman, Harry, Bart Hamilton, etc.

 

[Godzilla2014]

IMO, Green Goblin is Spidey's greatest foe with Doc Ock coming in at a close second. However, I still do love Venom. The Goblin's legacy has left a permanent mark on PPeter's life for decades. Whether it's Norman, Harry, Bart Hamilton, etc.

Norman and Harry leaving a permanent mark on Peter's life I can agree with, but Venom has certainly left a bigger impact on Peter's life than Bart Hamilton did. Bart Hamilton has had absolutely no impact on Peter's life.

 

[Godzilla2014]

In hindsight, I feel wasn't fair to WarriorDreamer in my previous reply, so I'll give a much more considerate response.

To Gozilla,


I do fully understand why you dis-like monstrous Venom so much and are very much against the tongue being shown, you feel it de-values the character and makes him seem more ******ed and not the clever character you originally saw him as.

I appreciate your understanding of my viewpoint.

My answer to that would be, the Venom I grew up with had the protruding tongue and the huge body. Venom was always so rock and roll compared to some of the other villains like Doc Ock, the Vulture, etc. To me, it didn't seem like he had a great amount of intelligence like Norman Osbourne, Curt Connors and the last two Otto Octavias and Adrien Toombs. He wasn't a scientist messing with science that went wrong and isn't criminally insane. He is just a guy with a clear vengeance for Peter.

I also grew up with Venom having the protruding tongue, but as I have matured and I saw what Todd McFarlane's Venom looked like, I have turned against the protruding tongue and the like.
Venom wasn't as much of a genius as Peter or Norman, but he certainly was no idiot.

To me that's always what made Venom so scary and antagonistic as a villain, he had a vengeance for Peter before he got his transformation, rather than while Spider-Man tries stopping his plans.
Some of the other villains did have some similarities with Peter; as in both geeks, both into science, both get involved in science experiments gone wrong. But Eddie Brock is much, much different to Peter, he's more like the popular guy in school who had the confidence Peter didn't have.

This I agree with. Eddie Brock is a very different person from Peter Parker.

Eddie is very, very cocky, so it makes sense that when you get him angry and then vengeful, with the use of the symbiote, he would use and over abuse it, to the point that the symbiote begins to control him.

I haven't read a great deal of comics on Venom, but I never, ever got the sense that a long protruding tongue made him look unintelligent, to me it seems more creepy to think that the symbiote itself is actually controlling a human man making him into a monster. That the symbiote is almost becoming the dominant personality itself rather than Eddie Brock using it and still having his own mind.

I disagree with the idea of Eddie being "controlled" by the symbiote. Venom is a binary entity of Brock and symbiote, and no one is really being controlled.

I never particularly saw Venom as one the most interesting and conflicted characters/villains personality wise, I think for the most part, Venom is a great visual and makes a great physical contrast and battle for Spider-Man.

Venom is an interesting character to me because he does what Spider-Man (or most of us) would love to do, but wouldn't let himself.

I think it's great to see how Peter controls the symbiote verses how Eddie controls it. Obviously I think having him look super huge like in some pics is going over the top. I don't think anyone expects that. But I want a bit of the goriness and grime that comes with Venom. Have you seen the vampires in 30 days of Night? They are very bloody and look scary because of their grittiness.

I'm not sure what you mean by goriness and grime.

I mean.. I respect your opinion and you seem quite passionate about your idea of Venom, but I just feel there are enough 'normal' human looking villains in the roster that Venom can be one of the few that look feral, animalistic and monstrous, but still have a smart and sharp mind which is focused on bringing down Peter/ Spider-Man.

I don't want Venom to look "normal", I just want a more conservative design.
After all, I don't think most people would say that this

looks like a normal human.
I primarily just want to keep Venom's look simple and scary.

Personally I prefer this kind of look the best for Venom

It's not tooo big, not tooo OTT, the tongue isn't overly huge or anything and yet, to me it gives the perfect image of Venom of rage and total hunger.

The underbite needs to go, the teeth look bad to me, and the symbol is too small.

Just imagine if that version of Venom suddenly turned around and started revealing his plans to kill Spider-Man. Exactly.

I have a hard time imagining Venom doing so with a protruding tongue. He would bite his own tongue off while he was talking.

 

[SpideyScott]

Rawr! I"m venom!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Rawr! I"m venom!

Thank you for that.

 

[spideyguy16]

 

[WarriorDreamer]

Thanks spideyguy 16 for the compliment, I had no idea about that argumentive technique. I might use it in the future.

And thanks Godzilla for a more thorough responce. I just want a Venom to feel like a Venom unlike an Eddie Brock with a load of symbiote all over him.

 

[spideyguy16]

Seriously dude you sounded like an expert argumenter lol. If you got a chance to look up rogerian argument, everything you said was correspondant to the rogerian writing style

 

[SnuffTheRooster]

Yeah I was reading your post and thought "Wow. There's no way you can argue with what he's saying."

 

[SpideyScott]

 

[spideyguy16]

Its because the very first thing he does is let you know that he's not trying to argue. You don't feel offended and you don't fel obliged to fight back. He understands your opinoin and respects it.
It makes you look dumb if you don't respect his. It wouldn't be fair. Both sides are given value and respect. And in the end both sides either compromise or agree to disagree. Genius.

A lot of guys on here argue like this(ineffective); wow that was so ignorant of you, that can't happen because...
The right argument should go: hey I get what your saying and I think its cool and all, but this sounds really good too. Maybe they can work together?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Thanks spideyguy 16 for the compliment, I had no idea about that argumentive technique. I might use it in the future.

And thanks Godzilla for a more thorough responce. I just want a Venom to feel like a Venom unlike an Eddie Brock with a load of symbiote all over him.

I understand your viewpoint and I agree with your desire for Venom to not look completely human, just colored black, though I may disagree with your methods of doing so.

This image you posted is a good start, but I think it needs some changes:

• The eyes have a good shape (I prefer the more Spidey-like eyes to the flamey-looking ones), but I think they should have a different texture than the area around them so they don't look like they've been merely spraypainted on.
• Change the mouth to a McFarlane-style distorted sadistic grin instead of an underbite with crooked teeth and a tongue.
• A new symbol. Something like this would be awesome:http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/damiandarque/comics/l_f3d1bb0d8088414eaef5f454770fc944.jpg
• Add some claws to the fingertips.
• Darken the skin so it appears to be black, and not gray like the picture appears to be.