I'm a Paul Heyman Wrestling Thread

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I'm a Paul Heyman Wrestling Thread.

Yeah, that works.

Thanks

 

[NDX]

Thanks

I'm stuck watching Impact tomorrow. For Bad Blood. Oy.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Most people start getting an idea of what they want for Wrestlemania around the beginning of January. At that time the Rock hadn't returned.
Because Miz's feud had already ran it's course with Orton they had to move him onto someone else. That's why they abruptly switched feuds with Punk/Cena and Miz/Orton at the Rumble. So before that event a lot of us probably wanted Punk to main event. Also I would suspect that if it was going to be Cena/Punk then Miz would of dropped the title.

Well WWE had a choice to make.

They were in the process of building The Miz as a top guy, and in the eyes of the company he was earning that push with all the outside the ring work he was doing.

They were also in the process of bringing in The Rock, who they didn't know they'd have for Wrestlemania 28 at the time, and let's be honest, nobody wanted to see some backstage staredown between these 2. Especially when at the time that they had to start deciding on their Wrestlemania card, Vince and Rock hadn't decided to go even further with this yet.

To give it it's max impact, they had to have The Rock get involved in the main event, thus Cena had to be in the main event. The Rock costing Cena a match against CM Punk wouldn't hold as much weight as The Rock costing Cena the title. And like I said, they kept the title on Miz because in their eyes, he was more deserving of a Wrestlemania main event than CM Punk due to all the exposure he was bringing. They obviously didn't want CM Punk walking out of Wrestlemania with the belt, which is what would have had to happen if they put the belt on Cena at Elimination Chamber, because Cena couldn't walk out with the title, otherwise there'd be no setup for Rock v. Cena. So the choice then becomes who walks out of Wrestlemania as champion? The Miz, the superstar who already has the belt, and the superstar they are trying to push as a future top guy? Or CM Punk, someone who doesn't currently have the belt, and someone who's currently leading a mid card stable?

Cena v. Punk would have made a lot of sense, given the feud they were starting at the time, but in order to make it a main event match, they'd have to have changed pretty much their entire main event structure to accommodate that. And making it a regular match on the card would have absolutely wasted the involvement of The Rock, cuz trust me, I didn't go down to Atlanta, and everyone I know didn't order it, just to watch Cena and Rock face off in a backstage segment.

 

[Slushy]

I also find it kinda funny the people saying that Punk v. Cena should have been the main event at Wrestlemania last year, but how could that have happened? Miz had the belt.

Which was exactly the problem. Cena was in the best angle WWE had in a long time feuding with the Nexus and to add Oomph to it, Punk replaced Barrett. It was so obvious it could've led to a main event at Mania and it could've happened if they wanted it to by having Miz drop the belt to Cena defending it inside the Elimination Chamber, but unfortunately I guess they wanted to throw a bone to Jerry Lawler so that didn't happen. The only way it could've gone is if Punk had beaten Lawler for the belt the following night with Cena getting another title shot.

With that said, Cena Vs. Punk should've been the main event because Cena Vs. Miz sucked ass!

 

[Metallo]

Yeah how the hell is it hypocritical to want the best match possible? Wrestlemania deserves the best main event and Punk vs Cena could have been it.

Miz could have dropped the belt at any point in time and been put into program with someone else a month or two before Mania. He and Orton already had history.

Rock still could have been involved with Cena. And Punk is a more well rounded talent that stood a better chance of looking on Rocks level compared to the Miz. Sh** the Rock talked trash about Punk before he ever came back to WWE to start the story with Cena.

WM27's main event was a bust as it was and the tease of a Punk vs Cena program months before got interest.

 

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Cena v. Punk would have made a lot of sense, given the feud they were starting at the time, but in order to make it a main event match, they'd have to have changed pretty much their entire main event structure to accommodate that. And making it a regular match on the card would have absolutely wasted the involvement of The Rock, cuz trust me, I didn't go down to Atlanta, and everyone I know didn't order it, just to watch Cena and Rock face off in a backstage segment.

They could of had Miz drop the title at EC to Punk or Cena. The only issue there is that would leave Orton and Miz without something to do. I think Rock/Cena overshadowed Miz immensely and that might not of happened with CM Punk to such a degree.

 

[venom892]

Punk would have more than held his own with Rock.Punk/Cena/Rock would have been way better in my opinion.

 

[Team Andino]

Love the new name of the thread

 

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some more tweets.


- Bret Hart wrote the following about CM Punk leaving WWE: "Can't help but feel like @CMPunk leaving WWE is like Steve Carrell leaving "The Office"

- John Cena wrote the following on Twitter regarding CM Punk's RAW promo: "CeNation. Headed to australia. Very excited. I feel as if I do not need to comment on raw last night. I think what happened needs no explination."

- For what it's worth, the people at WWE Magazine wrote the following online after Monday's RAW: "The mood backstage is...edgy, to put it mildly. @CMPunk is in a meeting with a lot of the people he just called out..

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

I rather have Punk vs Cena than Miz vs Cena. Punk would have never been over shadowed like Miz was since he can keep up on the mic with Both Cena and Rock. His promos would have been awesome and would have delivered a great match.

 

[Nemi]

some more tweets.


- Bret Hart wrote the following about CM Punk leaving WWE: "Can't help but feel like @CMPunk leaving WWE is like Steve Carrell leaving "The Office"

- John Cena wrote the following on Twitter regarding CM Punk's RAW promo: "CeNation. Headed to australia. Very excited. I feel as if I do not need to comment on raw last night. I think what happened needs no explination."

- For what it's worth, the people at WWE Magazine wrote the following online after Monday's RAW: "The mood backstage is...edgy, to put it mildly. @CMPunk is in a meeting with a lot of the people he just called out..

I can just picture Vince, Hunter, and every person he called out being in that room furious while Punk is just sitting there not giving a **** so hard that it's burning calories.

 

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I can just picture Vince, Hunter, and every person he called out being in that room furious while Punk is just sitting there not giving a **** so hard that it's burning calories.

Who needs brass rings when you've got balls of steel , lol. Vince probably respects that though. I wonder how it's sitting with everyone.

 

[Metallo]

I can just picture Vince, Hunter, and every person he called out being in that room furious while Punk is just sitting there not giving a **** so hard that it's burning calories.

Inside the WWE conference room theres a case with a shovel in it that says " in case burial is needed break glass."

 

[Metallo]

Randy Orton Admits To Drug Overdose In Interview, Disparages Kelly Kelly
By Daniel Pena
Jun 29, 2011 - 4:27:24 PM

WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton participated in an interview with Phoenix, Arizona based rock station 98KUPD promoting this week's SmackDown tapings. Highlights from the interview are as follows.

* Orton discussed his past issues with drug abuse, including an incident in 2006 where he overdosed, stopped breathing and his wife called an ambulance to save his life. Orton said he and his family discuss the bad choices he's made in WWE's upcoming DVD release, Randy Orton: The Evolution of a Predator

"I was ashamed of it for a long time, but now talking about it and getting it off my chest—when my in-laws and mom watches it, they're going to cry. My wife talks about when I stopped breathing and the ambulance came," Orton said.

* Orton noted his recent concussion at a live event in Spain, saying the Raw taping the day after was "the biggest blur" and that he "couldn't focus or concentrate." He said it was the sixth concussion he had suffered, which had WWE worried. He said it was three years since his previous concussion, and that he had suffered some "bad ones" earlier in his career.

* Orton was broached on the subject of not being able to say he's a wrestler, but rather, a "WWE Superstar." Orton added, "Honestly, a lot of things we've talked about thus far in this interview, they'd be upset with. I'm not like, 'eff it,' but I try to be real."

* Orton shared a story of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson trying to get him in trouble prior to WrestleMania. Orton said he gave his opinion on The Rock during an interview with ESPN—that he wasn't buying his return speech about returning to WWE and never leaving again. Orton said Johnson called management and claimed the WWE Superstar slammed him and Triple H in the interview. Orton feels Rock mentioned Triple H to grab their attention even though he didn't criticize "The Game" in the interview.

Orton said he had "got in trouble" and "made Vince mad" for his statements. He feels the interview was "blown out of proportion" and that Johnson should have confronted him over his remarks, rather than complaining to Vince McMahon and management.

* Orton said Cena is "light years" ahead of everyone in WWE on the microphone, including The Rock. Orton then criticized Cena's wrestling ability by laughing at his in-ring style.

"When I watch him, I feel he's a little stiff, hard to move, robotic. It certainly hasn't hurt him. I'm much better than John Cena, but on the mic, he's light-years ahead of all of us, including The Rock," Orton said.

-- Orton knocked the actresses who have portrayed his wife on television.

"Both those women were actresses. Not even actresses. They were like models who couldn't act; it was awful. (hosts laughed) It actually ruined both segments because they couldn't act," Orton said.

-- Orton brought up Chris Jericho, who said he is missed as a locker room leader. When asked about Downfall on ABC, Orton said he doesn't think Jericho received permission from WWE to host the game show. He said there was some conflict over the matter, but Jericho is the type to approach Vince McMahon.

"Jericho is type of the guy to go in Vince's office and tell him this is what he's doing and tough," Orton said. "A lot of newer, younger guys are intimidated by Vince. They're scared to knock on his door. Jericho—I miss him being around—would go tell McMahon what's going on."

-- Spured on by the hosts, Orton levied some unflattering remarks towards WWE Divas Champion Kelly Kelly after saying he worked a brief romance storyline with her a few years ago.

"I would be a method actor, and actually sleep with her," joked host John Holmberg.

"I could name a few method actors in WWE," Orton replied. "Like, ten guys."

The hosts tried to pry names from Orton, who tried to deflect from the topic by joking that it's all the big guys on the roster. Orton and the hosts continued to joke about who Kelly has or hasn't slept with throughout the show.

-- Several other minor topics were discussed including his baby oil look, whether he's defecated in the ring, wishing there were more wrestlers like Sheamus, Mark Henry being difficult to work with, and more. The full interview is available here.

source: www.pwtorch.com

Here's a direct link to the audio interview

http://randy-orton.com/2011/06/randy-talks-with-98-kupd-arizonas-real-rock/

Damn, Randy. Disagree with him on Cena's mike work. MAYBE when he was a heel but now in his SuperCena PG mode? No way.

The OD thing is pretty crazy. Obviously if he had that kind of problem he was doing pretty badly.

That story about the Rock is pretty interesting...and i gotta say I partly agree with Orton.

Kelly Kelly...lol. How many licks of Johnny Ace does it take to get to the center of a world title pop?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

They could of had Miz drop the title at EC to Punk or Cena. The only issue there is that would leave Orton and Miz without something to do. I think Rock/Cena overshadowed Miz immensely and that might not of happened with CM Punk to such a degree.

If Miz dropped the belt to Cena, then Cena would have had to have dropped the belt to Punk at Wrestlemania - a month later - because Cena couldn't walk out of Wrestlemania as champion. Otherwise, there'd be no point to the Cena / Rock business. And then they'd likely have to take the belt off of Punk again a month later so WWE could start their build towards Cena v. Rock for the title. Then everyone would be complaining about how Punk got buried by Cena, and was booked as a weak champion.

And between Miz and CM Punk, the belt was already on Miz, and the company was already in full "push Miz to the top" mode, and in their eyes, he deserved it because he was benefiting the company off of WWE television as well. So they let him keep the belt through Wrestlemania, instead of bouncing the title off of 3 different people in the span of a month, and let him drop it to Cena at Extreme Rules.

Miz v. Orton would have been an absolute rehash of what we had seen 2 months prior. Miz had already been feuding with Orton for months over the title. Miz won that feud. It was over. They couldn't rehash it.

Cena v. Punk very well could have been better than Cena v. Miz. But the fact is, there wasn't much they could do to make Cena v. Punk happen. Miz had the belt. They were pushing him to the top. CM Punk was leading a midcard stable full of irrelevants. He didn't have the belt. Rock already had a built in story with Cena, so Rock and Cena being involved was a must. Therefore they had to bump Cena up to the main event at Wrestlemania, thus taking him out of his feud with Punk, because Punk didn't have the belt, and wasn't gonna get it before Wrestlemania. And if he did get it at Wrestlemania, everyone would have *****ed about how he didn't win clean (because The Rock was going to be the one to cost Cena the title one way or another), and then everyone would ***** about how he was booked as a weak champion when the belt went back to Cena in a month to build the hype for the Cena v. Rock title match, as well as ***** about how the title was devalued because from the span of Elimination Chamber to Extreme Rules, there would have been 3 titles changes; Miz to Cena, Cena to Punk, Punk to Cena.

Do you do that, all so one guy can headline Wrestlemania? Or do you instead keep your current champion as the headliner of Wrestlemania, continue building him as the future star you envision him as, then have him drop the belt at Extreme Rules to the guy who's gonna carry the major storyline going forward, where in the grand scheme of things, as everyone in the IWC likes to say, everyone "looks good"?

 

[Dr. Evil]

The WWE gets upset at Randy Orton resulting from that Interview = Him losing World Title.

Anyone else = We wish them the best of luck on their future endeavors.

 

[The Sage]

Not suprising since he also missed Cena's point.

Did he? I thought he just couldn't think of anything to say back.

 

[Kaleb]

some more tweets.


- For what it's worth, the people at WWE Magazine wrote the following online after Monday's RAW: "The mood backstage is...edgy, to put it mildly. @CMPunk is in a meeting with a lot of the people he just called out..

The Rock is there too live via satellite. :P

 

[Nemi]

Who needs brass rings when you've got balls of steel , lol. Vince probably respects that though. I wonder how it's sitting with everyone.

Vince would respect it but Triple H? The man who is allowed to shoot on the entire lockerroom while on the mic for no reason yet NOBODY is allowed to say a bad thing about him? I'd imagine his reaction was flipping over tables while making this face....

Hopefully followed by Punk making joking about him being constipated.

Did he? I thought he just couldn't think of anything to say back.

Probably true.
If I remember correctly Cena's problem wasn't that Rock left and moved on but that he did it and then kept on telling everyone that he loved wrestling. How much can he really love wrestling when he can never find the time to give back, or when he does things like drop ''The Rock'' from his name?

 

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Do you do that, all so one guy can headline Wrestlemania? Or do you instead keep your current champion as the headliner of Wrestlemania, continue building him as the future star you envision him as, then have him drop the belt at Extreme Rules to the guy who's gonna carry the major storyline going forward, where in the grand scheme of things, as everyone in the IWC likes to say, everyone "looks good"?

They didn't and I'm not arguing the semantics. I get why everything happened the way it did However this could of worked in a 'what if ' scenario
Punk won the rumble
Cena got the title at EC
Punk wins the title at Mania or Extreme Rules
Punk threatens to leave WWE with the title
In fact it would seem more threatening about Punk leaving with the title because it would seem like a Bret Hart situation.

 

[Kaleb]

Jim Rome-CM Punk and more notes

* Jim Rome*reportedly*reached out to CM Punk on his ESPN Radio show, offering Punk forty-five minutes on his show to finish his promo that he did on Raw this past Monday.

* CM Punk's WWE Facebook page was reinstated.

 

[Metallo]

Vince would respect it but Triple H? The man who is allowed to shoot on the entire lockerroom while on the mic for no reason yet NOBODY is allowed to say a bad thing about him? I'd imagine his reaction was flipping over tables while making this face....

Hopefully followed by Punk making joking about him being constipated.

The worst thing about HHH trash talking people is that its sometimes some smark ICW nonsense that goes right over the average fans head.

When HHH slapped "OVW" on that crate with the Spirit Squad in it was ANYONE going to get that joke but the smarks? What was the purpose except something HHH found funny? A lot of the causal audience has no idea what OVW even was.

But yeah him dishing it out but nobody being able to respond in kind most of the time really gets me.

When someone gets to talk about HHH burying guys with that backhoe shovel on his face then I might change my tune.

 

[The Sage]

- Gary sent word that WWE has added John Cena's theme song to iTunes.

- The WWE RAW brand is headed to Australia. Their first show will be on Friday in Sydney.

- JBL has posted his first video blog where he talks about Eddie Guerrero, CM Punk leaving WWE and more. You can watch it on Facebook at this link.

- Beth Phoenix, who has been linked to CM Punk, wrote the following about his segment on Monday's RAW: "So many of u asking me about my feelings on how Raw went off the air.Shocking, compelling & struck a nerve. Passion&Talent cannot be denied."

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/311366667.php

 

[Wheels]

Someone post JR's new blog please. I was going to post it, but it won't fit in my PS3 dialogue box. He talks about Punk, the art of cutting a promo, and Punk's future. His thoughts on promos are so true, and to me they explain why Punk owns The Miz on the mic.

 

[Slushy]

* Orton shared a story of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson trying to get him in trouble prior to WrestleMania. Orton said he gave his opinion on The Rock during an interview with ESPN—that he wasn't buying his return speech about returning to WWE and never leaving again. Orton said Johnson called management and claimed the WWE Superstar slammed him and Triple H in the interview. Orton feels Rock mentioned Triple H to grab their attention even though he didn't criticize "The Game" in the interview.

LOL, to quote The Rock from Fast & The Furious 5:

Stay the fu** out of my way!

Back to WM 27:

Do you do that, all so one guy can headline Wrestlemania?

It happened before. Kurt Angle was doing great as WWE Champion during his first reign, but they took the belt off him at the February PPV so he had to wait TWO years to finally main event Wrestlemania.

I know Stone Cold Vs. The Rock was the money match, but I'm just saying!