I'm Not Messing Around, I'm Doing Important Stuff in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Drizzle]

Admirable... But that shield won't save him all the time. Steve was only able to fight Thanos etc. due to it

Oh, without delving too much into spoiler territory that point is made pretty clear in the third act, lol.

 

[BoredGuy]

Kinda wish we got to see T'Challa go one-on-one with Thanos in Endgame too
I know the timing wouldn't have worked, but I'd really like to see how he would've fared

Also, T'Challa would've totally been worthy of Mjolnir, right??

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Iceman]

Kinda wish we got to see T'Challa go one-on-one with Thanos in Endgame too
I know the timing wouldn't have worked, but I'd really like to see how he would've fared

Also, T'Challa would've totally been worthy of Mjolnir, right??

IMO pasted by Thanos but worthy of Mjolnir.

 

[Pennywise]

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[Iceman]

Well now I'd say the movie’s worst crime is prompting people to refer to the previous films as “The Steve Trilogy.”

They need to go back and drop the Cap and subtitle parts from the names, Steve I, II & III (and now Sam I) and Avengers ft Steve.

 

[flickchick85]

Admirable... But that shield won't save him all the time. Steve was only able to fight Thanos etc. due to it

And there are multiple points in this movie where a guy of regular human strength like himself should have died. It’s like they only remembered that little detail when the stakes were convenient.

 

[Lily Adler]

And there are multiple points in this movie where a guy of regular human strength like himself should have died. It’s like they only remembered that little detail when the stakes were convenient.

Bucky is starting to make more sense.

 

[flickchick85]

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Lmao, so even the studio was like “JEFF WADLOW?!?! Why would say that?!?!”

 

[Pennywise]

 

[flickchick85]

Much like with Eternals and The Marvels, the audience score for Cap 4 seems to be more forgiving than the critics. Curious to see where the Cinemascore lands.

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That’s actually a really bad audience RT score for opening weekend. CinemaScore’s not gonna be good.

EDIT: Luiz explains it well -

 

[Mysteryman]

So why does Sam not take the serum?

Why does he NEED to?

 

[Mysteryman]

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Nice Budget.

 

[Lily Adler]

Why does he NEED to?

So he won't die when he's taking on Avengers level threats.

 

[Mysteryman]

So he won't die when he's taking on Avengers level threats.

So, Tony, Natasha Yelena Clint Should have ALL taken the serum?

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

And there are multiple points in this movie where a guy of regular human strength like himself should have died. It’s like they only remembered that little detail when the stakes were convenient.

That can be said for pretty much every superhero film where the hero doesn't have super durability though. Ranging from how Iron Man can survive almost anything because he's in a hard suit to how Batman and Rachel are just fine after falling at least 20 stories just because they land on a car.

 

[flickchick85]

That can be said for pretty much every superhero film where the hero doesn't have super durability though. Ranging from how Iron Man can survive almost anything because he's in a hard suit to how Batman and Rachel are just fine after falling at least 20 stories just because they land on a car.

Those all have “magic handwave” explanations though - Batman with his “we created a whole scene just to talk about how amazing this body armor is” to Tony’s internal shock-absorbing suit of armor. This doesn’t even bother trying with any of that. Sam’s just a dude, with no real armor even, who takes some untake-able hits. Low in the list of issues I have with the movie to be sure, but a clear symptom of the laziness at the root of a lot of them.

 

[Sithborg]

Those all have “magic handwave” explanations though - Batman with his “we created a whole scene just to talk about how amazing this body armor is” to Tony’s shock absorbing suit of armor. This doesn’t even bother trying with any of that. Sam’s just a dude, with no real armor even, who takes some untake-able hits. Low in the list of issues I have with the movie to be sure, but a clear symptom of the laziness at the root of a lot of them.

I think the bigger problem is the need for "spectacle". Its why they tossed a hulk in there, when there is no way that is a Cap story. Its why world ending threats are constantly given to heroes who really should not be dealing with world ending threats (stares at Quantumania).

 

[Link]

It really doesn't help that Sam is facing Hulk villains in this. Juiced-up Steve Rogers went against Red Skull, why is regular guy with wings Sam Wilson facing Red Hulk?

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Those all have “magic handwave” explanations though - Batman with his “we created a whole scene just to talk about how amazing this body armor is” to Tony’s internal shock-absorbing suit of armor. This doesn’t even bother trying with any of that. Sam’s just a dude, with no real armor even, who takes some untake-able hits. Low in the list of issues I have with the movie to be sure, but a clear symptom of the laziness at the root of a lot of them.

Sam's entire suit was made in Wakanda though, which is a bit more advanced than Gotham. It's not that I don't agree that he took some too big hits though (I wouldn't have put a Hulk style villain in this myself), I just think that it's often the case. I guess Iron Man is at least consistent in his armor being magic, while I don't think Batman's suit tends to always be shown at the level of surviving a crash at near terminal velocity. There's also guys without armor that's taken some big beatings, like Widow and Hawkeye.

 

[Ninjablade]

And there are multiple points in this movie where a guy of regular human strength like himself should have died. It’s like they only remembered that little detail when the stakes were convenient.

The show is extra funny about that. Spends the whole show highlighting the fact he doesn't have the SSS despite everyone else around him having it. Only for the final episode to have a helicopter land on him, and having him catch a truck falling off a ledge with his bare hands

 

[Link]

The easy solution would've been to bring Hulk and She-Hulk into the mix if they were dead-set on this The Incredible Hulk 2 starring Sam Wilson approach. The movie would've felt more like an event, She-Hulk would've gotten some badly needed screentime, and those two could've handled the physical side with Red Hulk, making the final battle a lot more exciting. It could've played a bit like the Trinity fight from BvS, with Cap taking Batman's gadget approach and ultimately delivering the final blow similarly to how it went down in the film anyway.

 

[flickchick85]

Sam's entire suit was made in Wakanda though, which is a bit more advanced than Gotham. It's not that I don't agree that he took some too big hits though (I wouldn't have put a Hulk style villain in this myself), I just think that it's often the case. I guess Iron Man is at least consistent in his armor being magic, while I don't think Batman's suit tends to always be shown at the level of surviving a crash at near terminal velocity. There's also guys without armor that's taken some big beatings, like Widow and Hawkeye.

His suit wasn’t on his head. Guy wasn’t even wearing a helmet most of the time. Hawkeye and Widow took beatings for the most part from people they should be able to take hits from. And the one time Natasha caught a stray backhand from Hulk, the movie made a point of having her in shock from it, because she knew it was almost death. It was DEFINITELY far more egregious here than it has ever been in any MCU flick I’ve seen.

And for the record, not to get into semantics, but Batman also slowed their fall at the last minute with the half of his cape he was able to activate. Whether or not you believe it, the point is those movies at least tried to address/explain those moments, while this one didn’t even bother.

 

[Drizzle]

That’s actually a really bad audience RT score for opening weekend. CinemaScore’s not gonna be good.

EDIT: Luiz explains it well -

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[flickchick85]

The easy solution would've been to bring Hulk and She-Hulk into the mix if they were dead-set on this The Incredible Hulk 2 starring Sam Wilson approach. The movie would've felt more like an event, She-Hulk would've gotten some badly needed screentime, and those two could've handled the physical side with Red Hulk, making the final battle a lot more exciting. It could've played a bit like the Trinity fight from BvS, with Cap taking Batman's gadget approach and ultimately delivering the final blow similarly to how it went down in the film anyway.

10/10 if they’d added She-Hulk!