I'm Not Messing Around, I'm Doing Important Stuff in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Drizzle]

I think the problem they are up against no matter what, even if they find a good script for him, is Mackie. He just doesn't have it for this kind of leading man role. And I don't foresee him developing it.

Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Falcon back in the day. Let that sink in.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am just not invested at all in this Superman vs FF discussion. That would involve rooting against one movie or the other, and I am excited for both movies. All I care about is if they do well. If that means Superman makes 1.4 billion and FF makes 700, that's fine. Or vice versa. I just want both to be great movies and get sequels

 

[Lily Adler]

Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Falcon back in the day. Let that sink in.

RDJ also auditioned for Killmonger.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I dont quite agree. You can make almost any character work, you just have to crack the code. Marvel I agree didn't. But Sam has been done well in comic storylines and such, so no reason a movie hypothetically couldn't have made it work

I get your concept, but I feel like this kind of ignores that he was stepping into the role of Captain America. Where there are already set expectations that limit what you can do to make it work. And what they could've done to make it work is antithetical to what the studio head, writer, and lead actor wanted. Sam came out of the MCU oven a one note sidekick, and he's never changed.

Beyond that, I'm talking mostly about potential box office success. I'm not aware of how well Sam sold in the comics, but I'm going to guess he wasn't the highest selling Captain America.

The obvious answer was always to go with Bucky. I'm happy they didn't, so he didn't get caught in that vortex, but both the character and actor are far more dynamic.

 

[Ninjablade]

Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Falcon back in the day. Let that sink in.

Dodged a meteor. My god. Imagine we had lost out on Sinners because he had to do BNW

 

[Spider-Fan]

I get your concept, but I feel like this kind of ignores that he was stepping into the role of Captain America. Where there are already set expectations that limit what you can do to make it work. And what they could've done to make it work is antithetical to what the studio head, writer, and lead actor wanted. Sam came out of the MCU oven a one note sidekick, and he's never changed.

Beyond that, I'm talking mostly about potential box office success. I'm not aware of how well Sam sold in the comics, but I'm going to guess he wasn't the highest selling Captain America.

The obvious answer was always to go with Bucky. I'm happy they didn't, so he didn't get caught in that vortex, but both the character and actor are far more dynamic.

I have said this for ages, but it needs to be okay to have to start at phase 1 grosses again. No one should expect at movie 1 that Sam even with an amazing movie would equal CW or TWS. Endgame wasn't made in 1 movie. You need to build that house of cards back up

 

[Drizzle]

Listen I’m not the one over here constantly declaring their CBM of choice is dominating the summer. I’ve said many times now I don’t think any CBM is doing that this year. Just offering a healthy dose of reality to that poor soul.

Realistically we know Jurassic World and Lilo and Stitch are going to outgross both of them.

 

[Link]

@Shinobi Shaw

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Neither thumbnail screams "must-see summer blockbuster." Glad people are watching the trailers, nevertheless.

 

[Drizzle]

Dodged a meteor. My god. Imagine we had lost out on Sinners because he had to do BNW

We could have gotten Sinners starring Shameik Moore!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Falcon back in the day. Let that sink in.

What a ****ing waste that would've been. But who they cast kind of sums up why Falcon was never going to work.

 

[flickchick85]

Dodged a meteor. My god. Imagine we had lost out on Sinners because he had to do BNW

And he would have missed out on a much better role in Black Panther, too.

 

[Drizzle]

What a ****ing waste that would've been. But who they cast kind of sums up why Falcon was never going to work.

Really the only major difference if MBJ played him would be a more charismatic Sam. To Mackie's credit, Sam has had charismatic moments at times in the MCU but not very often, and those moments were all in The Winter Soldier, Civil War or Endgame before he was made a leading character.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Falcon back in the day. Let that sink in.

It worked out for the best. Killmonger may only have been a 1 movie proper character, but he is still potentially the MCU's best antagonist. Help make Black Panther as great as it was. I think missing that would have been a bad trade to get a slightly more interesting Falcon Cap.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have said this for ages, but it needs to be okay to have to start at phase 1 grosses again. No one should expect at movie 1 that Sam even with an amazing movie would equal CW or TWS. Endgame wasn't made in 1 movie. You need to build that house of cards back up

Why? Inflation has sky rocketed both production and ticket prices. And even then, 4 of the 6 phase 1 movies made more money then BNW, unadjusted. 3 of them a lot more. The two that lagged behind were TIH, a dud, and TFA, which would kill BNW when adjusted for inflation.

Beyond this, they only need to build the house again because they knocked it over and then set it on fire. The problems since Endgame aren't a lack of time to breathe or build. They are all decisions made by Feige. If the MCU was in better shape, even that awful ass BNW would've made at least 500m.

 

[Ninjablade]

And he would have missed out on a much better role in Black Panther, too.

Can't even beging to imagine who Coogler would've replaced him with considering they're attached at the hip.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can't even beging to imagine who Coogler would've replaced him with considering they're attached at the hip.

Kang the Woman Beater.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

@Shinobi Shaw

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I mean he's the world's first superhero, I would hope to the New Gods that Supes gets views like that!

It just sucks that we've already seen his movie a few weeks ago on Reddit.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Why? Inflation has sky rocketed both production and ticket prices. And even then, 4 of the 6 phase 1 movies made more money then BNW, unadjusted. 3 of them a lot more. TIH, a dude, and TFA, which would kill BNW when adjusted for inflation.

Beyond this, they only need to build the house again because they knocked it over and then set it on fire. The problems since Endgame aren't a lack of time to breathe or build. They are all decisions made by Feige. If the MCU was in better shape, even that awful ass BNW would've made at least 500m.

Inflation and movies isn't new though. It's not really as simple as comparing it 1:1. The fact is Marvel lost 3 of their heaviest hitters post Endgame, and things like GOTG were winding down. To use wrestling as an analogy, you have to start pushing new talent. You're not going to replicate a Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold easily one after the other. You need to build those next level stars. Yeah, you still got guys like Doctor Strange or Ant-Man still around, but it aint like they're Cap or Iron Man either. Marvel did a very poor job post Endgame at building up new stars. But Falcon Cap on day 1 was never going to be Steve. They needed to more meticulously build a new set of main characters for the MCU to follow as some of these other guys that were still there were fading out themselves. Their strategy was far too scattershot and they didn't let any of the new blood get much needed screentime. That's a fail by the company.

 

[Ninjablade]

Kang the Woman Beater.

Maybe that's the good timeline because they cast someone else as Kang and then stupidly stick their guns. So, no RDJ Doom

 

[Ninjablade]

I believe whatever movie I like the least will win the summer because the world is funny like that. Inflation be damned, people will see that one. Which is part of the reason Avatar 3 will win the year.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe that's the good timeline because they cast someone else as Kang and then stupidly stick their guns. So, no RDJ Doom

Argh....frigging Doom....

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

And I am over here hoping both are massive successes

Damn that, one must fall.

Ain't gonna be Galactus.

Realistically we know Jurassic World and Lilo and Stitch are going to outgross both of them.

With Sinners as a close second.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Inflation and movies isn't new though. It's not really as simple as comparing it 1:1. The fact is Marvel lost 3 of their heaviest hitters post Endgame, and things like GOTG were winding down. To use wrestling as an analogy, you have to start pushing new talent. You're not going to replicate a Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold easily one after the other. You need to build those next level stars. Yeah, you still got guys like Doctor Strange or Ant-Man still around, but it aint like they're Cap or Iron Man either. Marvel did a very poor job post Endgame at building up new stars. But Falcon Cap on day 1 was never going to be Steve. They needed to more meticulously build a new set of main characters for the MCU to follow as some of these other guys that were still there were fading out themselves. Their strategy was far too scattershot and they didn't let any of the new blood get much needed screentime. That's a fail by the company.

I'm confused by your point. I feel like you're saying what I've said but I guess are being nicer to the bad movies about it. It doesn't change the reality of my point though.

 

[Snow Queen]

Damn that, one must fall.

Ain't gonna be Galactus.

Yeah, can't imagine a Fantastic Four movie with Galactus falling. That'd be a first.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Damn that, one must fall.

Ain't gonna be Galactus.

Shinobi Shaw going straight birthday boy now that he knows FC's boy is about to whip his family's ass.