I'm Not Messing Around, I'm Doing Important Stuff in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Lily Adler]

Legit concerned for F4 after Thunderbolts and now Ironheart. I'm sure The Avengers films will be mostly fine, but the concern is real.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And even if a show like The Acolyte ends up being bad (I didn't see it but I read reactions when it was on) it's not cause they cast a specific race or gender in the lead. It's almost always the same thing any bad projects suffer from. But legitimate criticism isn't even possible to do anymore cause these idiots always zero in on something that's just agenda driven and not the problem.

It scares me how many "normal" people believe it does though. If a film about someone who is woman, black, gay, etc. has one note characters or a poorly told story, it turns into a condemnation of those groups. As if we haven't had mountains of poorly told tales about cis white men. But never, ever the same reaction. And yet I see people focusing on the fact that a character is trans who say they are allies. It's mental.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It scares me how many "normal" people believe it does though. If a film about someone who is woman, black, gay, etc. has one note characters or a poorly told story, it turns into a condemnation of those groups. As if we haven't had mountains of poorly told tales about cis white men. But never, ever the same reaction. And yet I see people focusing on the fact that a character is trans who say they are allies. It's mental.

Oh, I have seen boring, bland as white bread toast white dude who has no character a million times! Sam Worthington and guys like him or Garrett Hedlund played that nothing character many times over!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I also partially blame Disney and their PR team for not taking countermeasures when this conversation starts. Obviously fandom is gonna fandom, but damn, address the things these people are saying about your stars and defend your choices for casting them.

I don’t know man.

It shows they condone it. Which just breeds more of this bigotry.

Disney, and the movie companies as a whole, absolutely need to do better in standing up for their creatives. Without these people, the stupid suits wouldn't have ANYTHING cause these morons don't know how to make a movie. They don't have skills. All they know how to do is get other people to do it for them and sometimes make suggestions that usually end in the product being worse.

You'd think they'd be against it, because it messes with their cash. But it honestly feels like sometimes they like it. Makes it easier for them to control their artist. There is a reason the Netflix guy hyper fixates on Nolan. Because he can't control him.

 

[Link]

I shouldn’t be, but it always astonishes me how swiftly people can show their racist asses as soon as you put a black woman as the lead on something. It’s so f’ing tired at this point between this project and the vile things I’ve read about the black characters from that Acolyte show, or when that black actress starred opposite Tom Holland on Romeo + Juliet, etc.

Anyway, I refuse to write Ironheart off because of this racist narrative, and I’m waiting to judge it by its own merits when it releases. I don’t give a damn how long ago they shot it.

Absolutely. To me the Ironheart trailer simply looked like another Disney Plus Marvel show, nothing too exciting, but there's zero reason for the vitriol out there.

You're so right about black women and these hate campaigns. Tonight, there'll be a new trailer for Directive 8020, and there's going to be more manufactured controversy over it, just because Lashana Lynch is the lead. It's part of The Dark Pictures game series, and they always cast one Hollywood actor for one of the lead roles. She's following in the footsteps of Shawn Ashmore, Will Poulter, Ashley Tisdale, and Jessie Buckley. She's in the upper echelon of relevancy out of that group, but she's the ****ing DEI hire? I hate those people, I really do.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It scares me how many "normal" people believe it does though. If a film about someone who is woman, black, gay, etc. has one note characters or a poorly told story, it turns into a condemnation of those groups. As if we haven't had mountains of poorly told tales about cis white men. But never, ever the same reaction. And yet I see people focusing on the fact that a character is trans who say they are allies. It's mental.

That's also why we're stuck with the Convicted Felon in the Oval, but that's another thread.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Absolutely. To me the Ironheart trailer simply looked like another Disney Plus Marvel show, nothing too exciting, but there's zero reason for the vitriol out there.

You're so right about black women and these hate campaigns. Tonight, there'll be a new trailer for Directive 8020, and there's going to be manufactured controversy over it, just because Lashana Lynch is the lead. It's part of The Dark Pictures game series, and they always cast one Hollywood actor for one of the lead roles. She's following in the footsteps of Shawn Ashmore, Will Poulter, Ashley Tisdale, and Jessie Buckley. She's in the upper echelon of relevancy out of that group, but she's the ****ing DEI hire? I hate those people, I really do.

Ironheart I have little faith in cause of reshoot nonsense, how long ago it was filmed, and it was made at the height of that reshoot the entire thing and we don't do showrunners era. But that's all behind the scenes stuff. The thing Ironheart's trailer was most guilty to me of being was....looking fine? It didn't look abysmal, but it also didn't look great either. Just sort of there. But you're right, it doesn't matter. Her existing is all these idiots focus on in the comments.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have very little interest in Ironheart, which is outside of jokes about it taking decades to come out I don't really talk about it. It it reviews well I'll give it a look. Like Agatha, which I stopped after episode 3.

So many of these comments are obviously bots. That should give some weird comfort until you realize they work in breeding more hate.

 

[Link]

So many of these comments are obviously bots. That should give some weird comfort until you realize they work in breeding more hate.

The possible bot use is scary because there doesn't seem to be any countermeasures in place for that. Botting a comment section 100% does change public perception and how people think, and it makes these fringe lunatics feel more powerful. Disney and Amazon have been hit hardest with these hate campaigns, but it doesn't seem like anything at all is being done.

 

[Lily Adler]

I have very little interest in Ironheart, which is outside of jokes about it taking decades to come out I don't really talk about it. It it reviews well I'll give it a look. Like Agatha, which I stopped after episode 3.

So many of these comments are obviously bots. That should give some weird comfort until you realize they work in breeding more hate.

And Disney listens to them.

 

[Nardz937]

He said it right after Batman Begins came out because it didn't do as well as Spider-Man 2. Then of course The Dark Knight outgrossed all three individual Spider-Man movies.



I Googled it and unsurprisingly there was a whole 33-page thread on these forums at the time.

Batman Begins Thread ''Batman came and went' - Avi Arad'

Jul 1, 2005

Not sure if you guys have listened to the Avi Arad interview (just a day or two ago) He takes some nice swipes at Batman (How Spiderman made more in 10 days than BB will..), Superman, Goyer, and DC in general.....check it out. (Funny how he neglects to say how good of a 'movie' BB was though...jagoff)


http://www.iesb.net/videointerviews/aviaradclip4int.php

And PLEASE don't say I'm starting anything....I didn't say these things, Avi did. I just thought you guys would like to know.

• Pickle-El
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LOL I guess he doubled down after. The instance I was recalling was on the Making Of on the Spider-Man 2 DVD that he says it as well.

 

[Sithborg]

Hopefully he willl get an Emmy for season, 2.

Going to have to be supporting, but Noah Wylie has that **** wrapped up.

 

[Sithborg]

Yelena will. I think she has been their biggest win. Shang-Chi SHOULD be there too, but he just....has been on the bench for no reason.

Yeah, its called being thoroughly rejected by the target audience his movie was being made for.

 

[Sithborg]

And Disney listens to them.

I think it should be obvious at this point, Disney isn't necessarily listening to them, than there are more than enough execs that are already on that train of thought. There was a reason why Feige chose the gay woman to be his fall guy.

As for Star Wars, I remember they pushed back once, I think with Kelly Marie Tran, but then I think someone got in trouble, as they went silent with Kenobi and Acolyte. Though, they've never been great, just ask Boyega.

Oh, @Shinobi Shaw , new Doomsday nightmare unlocked.

Spoiler

 

[Link]

Tonight, there'll be a new trailer for Directive 8020

Okay, scratch that, I had the wrong day marked up Future Games Show is exactly three weeks from today, not tonight. Damn, I was ready for some fun announcements.

 

[Flint Marko]

I also partially blame Disney and their PR team for not taking countermeasures when this conversation starts. Obviously fandom is gonna fandom, but damn, address the things these people are saying about your stars and defend your choices for casting them.

I don’t know man.

At best it’s the textbook definition of cowardly. You’re a multi-billion dollar conglomerate known for strong-arming a daycare center for painting Mickey on their walls but as soon as online trolls send death threats to actual humans that work for you it’s crickets? Please

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[Mysteryman]

So,
Is Ironheart being released in two blocks of 3 episodes a piece or, are the final 3 coming one episode at a time?

 

[kguillou]

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I actually wouldnt hate that kind if design for the suit.

 

[Drizzle]

LOL I guess he doubled down after. The instance I was recalling was on the Making Of on the Spider-Man 2 DVD that he says it as well.

I don't remember that from the Spider-Man 2 DVD but that's funny how he was so boastful about it before karma came along.

Though it was totally unprofessional for someone of his status to say that, he wasn't completely off the mark. DC was in pretty bad shape in Hollywood between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins. But even then, Begins was more of a modest success than a box office juggernaut. Introducing Joker in TDK was always going to be the huge draw.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't remember that from the Spider-Man 2 DVD but that's funny how he was so boastful about it before karma came along.

Though it was totally unprofessional for someone of his status to say that, he wasn't completely off the mark. DC was in pretty bad shape in Hollywood between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins. But even then, Begins was more of a modest success than a box office juggernaut. Introducing Joker in TDK was always going to be the huge draw.

The funniest part of TDK's success, is it was obviously coming. Begin's DVD sales were legendary.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm rooting for both but how many of those Superman views were Snyder bros hate watching?

My barometer for trailer views equating to box office success is totally askew after this:

‘Joker 2’ Trailer Launches to 167 Million Views in 24 Hours, Giving Warner Bros. It’s Biggest and Most Talked About Trailer Since ‘Barbie’ (EXCLUSIVE)

"Joker: Folie à Deux" got off to a strong marketing start as its first trailer debuted to 167 million views in 24 hours.

variety.com

Random, but I just actually read that article and found this interesting:



So that trailer’s views were probably highly (one could say artificially) inflated by all of Gaga’s Little Monsters, many of whom are not moviegoers at all, and will just watch any online video their queen posts. 150 million followers is insane. For comparison, James Gunn’s largest social media following is on Instagram, which is 2.9 million. He’s got 1.7 million on Elon’s site, to Gaga’s 82 million.

And even after that crazy view count inflation…look at that YT number. Supes still beat that 15.6mil in 2 days by a few million, and only dropped to the #2 trending video yesterday. And based on the date of that article, that was the Joker teaser trailer, aka the very first look, which typically does better than follow-up trailers. Supes’ teaser blew that outta the water even more.

Trailer views may not tell the whole story, but that ain’t nothing.

 

[Drizzle]

The funniest part of TDK's success, is it was obviously coming. Begin's DVD sales were legendary.

Yep. It was a perfect storm of buildup between Begins's goodwill, the incredible trailers and marketing, Heath Ledger's tragic passing among other factors. I don't like crediting an actor dying to a movie's box office take but in this case there were a ton of people who probably would otherwise never bother with superhero movies going specifically to see his take on the Joker.

Now you've got me all nostalgic for a time when DVD sales were a barometer.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I love Ryan George videos I decided.

 

[Ninjablade]

Yep. It was a perfect storm of buildup between Begins's goodwill, the incredible trailers and marketing, Heath Ledger's tragic passing among other factors. I don't like crediting an actor dying to a movie's box office take but in this case there were a ton of people who probably would otherwise never bother with superhero movies going specifically to see his take on the Joker.

Now you've got me all nostalgic for a time when DVD sales were a barometer.

Now it's all about those streaming numbers which is why Rebel Moon was technically a bigger success than Barbie