I'm Not Messing Around, I'm Doing Important Stuff in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Drizzle]

Random, but I just actually read that article and found this interesting:

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So that trailer’s views were probably highly (one could say artificially) inflated by all of Gaga’s Little Monsters, many of whom are not moviegoers at all, and will just watch any online video their queen posts. 150 million followers is insane. For comparison, James Gunn’s largest social media following is on Instagram, which is 2.9 million. He’s got 1.7 million on Elon’s site, to Gaga’s 82 million.

And even after that crazy view count inflation…look at that YT number. Supes still beat that 15.6mil in 2 days by a few million, and only dropped to the #2 trending video yesterday. And based on the date of that article, that was the Joker teaser trailer, aka the very first look, which typically does better than follow-up trailers. Supes’ teaser blew that outta the water even more.

Trailer views may not tell the whole story, but that ain’t nothing.

Yeah it makes sense that the Little Monsters upped the hell out of that trailer view count.

I also don't find it overly surprising that Superman's views are more than F4. Even though both of those IPs have seen better days when it comes to popularity, I think more people are longing for a new Superman movie that stands for what the original vision of the character was meant to be.

 

[Drizzle]

Now it's all about those streaming numbers which is why Rebel Moon was technically a bigger success than Barbie

 

[Ninjablade]

 

[Ninjablade]

You know, I often forget that WB gave Snyder extra money to finish that stupid Snyder cut, and he proceeded to use it to film extra vision scenes which for some reason needed Jared Leto in them

 

[AndrewGilkison]

What is keeping the FF: First Steps hype so low?

MCU fatigue? The 60s setting not appealing to a modern audience? The female Surfer turning fanboys off as its perceived as a gender swap of a known male character (even though its a completely different character)? The bad FF movies that have come before?

Its interesting that Superman (a character that has also been damaged by bad movies and being seen as old timey) seems to have more hype then the MCU version of the FF.

Did Reed Richards being written as a complete idiot in Multiverse Of Madness also have an affect?

 

[Drizzle]

You know, I often forget that WB gave Snyder extra money to finish that stupid Snyder cut, and he proceeded to use it to film extra vision scenes which for some reason needed Jared Leto in them

That scene was especially unnecessary other than just being bait for the "Restore the Snyderverse" movement. But hey, Batman drops an f-bomb so there's that.

 

[Sithborg]

What is keeping the FF: First Steps hype so low?

MCU fatigue? The 60s setting not appealing to a modern audience? The female Surfer turning fanboys off as its perceived as a gender swap of a known male character (even though its a completely different character)? The bad FF movies that have come before?

Its interesting that Superman (a character that has also been damaged by bad movies and being seen as old timey) seems to have more hype then the MCU version of the FF.

Did Reed Richards being written as a complete idiot in Multiverse Of Madness also have an affect?

Other than no one gives a **** about the FF? And haven't for a long time? In part, because of Marvel themselves.

And while Superman hasn't had a good film presence, recently, WB has actually kept some good products with him in other mediums, see Lois and Clark and MAWS.

 

[Lily Adler]

Now it's all about those streaming numbers which is why Rebel Moon was technically a bigger success than Barbie

Did they count them twice?

 

[Ninjablade]

What is keeping the FF: First Steps hype so low?

MCU fatigue? The 60s setting not appealing to a modern audience? The female Surfer turning fanboys off as its perceived as a gender swap of a known male character (even though its a completely different character)? The bad FF movies that have come before?

Its interesting that Superman (a character that has also been damaged by bad movies and being seen as old timey) seems to have more hype then the MCU version of the FF.

Did Reed Richards being written as a complete idiot in Multiverse Of Madness also have an affect?

I don't think MOM has any impact on the seemingly lack of widespread interest in First Steps. I think it's a hodge podge of factors, but the two biggest are clearly MCU interest being incredibly low and the Fantastic Four not being a team people care about in the slightest. Most people's interest is probably going to come down to their love of Pedro Pascal, and his main demographic is people that aren't going to be generating a lot of online hype.

Superman on the other hand is Superman. The character will always have some semblance of juice just because of the iconography alone. That backed by people's general interest in Gunn + the more feel good hopeful tone being sold. He should be blowing everyone else away.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You know, I often forget that WB gave Snyder extra money to finish that stupid Snyder cut, and he proceeded to use it to film extra vision scenes which for some reason needed Jared Leto in them

@Snow Queen

 

[flickchick85]

What is keeping the FF: First Steps hype so low?

MCU fatigue? The 60s setting not appealing to a modern audience? The female Surfer turning fanboys off as its perceived as a gender swap of a known male character (even though its a completely different character)? The bad FF movies that have come before?

Its interesting that Superman (a character that has also been damaged by bad movies and being seen as old timey) seems to have more hype then the MCU version of the FF.

Did Reed Richards being written as a complete idiot in Multiverse Of Madness also have an affect?

I think it’s largely to do with the IP not really having any beloved media outside of the comics. The first Fox movie in the 2000’s did did ok, but it was far from beloved.

Superman by contrast - despite his brand having had a rough decade or two - has still had at least one beloved piece of non-comic book media in pretty much every decade of the nearly 90 years since his creation. Just recently we had Superman & Lois and currently MAWS. Neither has huge viewership, but those who watch them, love them. And that’s how NEW fans are made.

F4’s only devoted fans are mostly fans of the comics, with a few hop-ons from the 2000’s movies. Now, back when the MCU was at its peak, that wasn’t an issue because people would watch anything with the Marvel logo, but these days, it might be affecting things more.

I also feel like the retro aesthetic might be doing nothing to quell the general feeling that they aren’t so relevant these days, which is the main reason I’ve argued against making Superman a period piece for several years as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What is keeping the FF: First Steps hype so low?

MCU fatigue? The 60s setting not appealing to a modern audience? The female Surfer turning fanboys off as its perceived as a gender swap of a known male character (even though its a completely different character)? The bad FF movies that have come before?

Its interesting that Superman (a character that has also been damaged by bad movies and being seen as old timey) seems to have more hype then the MCU version of the FF.

Did Reed Richards being written as a complete idiot in Multiverse Of Madness also have an affect?

I know it's hard to hear, but the #1 factor is Feige.

 

[Snow Queen]

It probably doesn't help that much of the trailer's pitch is Rise of the SIlver Surfer but with a 60s skin.

 

[Nardz937]

The funniest part of TDK's success, is it was obviously coming. Begin's DVD sales were legendary.

Batman Begins has gotta be one of the most produced DVDs ever. A few years a big video store in my hometown were closing their doors so there was a going out of business sale, I went in there in their last week or so left and the majority of what remained were mountains of BB DVDs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think it’s largely to do with the IP not really having any beloved media outside of the comics. The first Fox movie in the 2000’s did did ok, but it was far from beloved.

Superman by contrast - despite his brand having had a rough decade or two - has still had at least one beloved piece of non-comic book media in pretty much every decade in the nearly 90 years since his creation. Just recently we had Superman & Lois and currently MAWS. Neither has huge viewership, but those who watch them, love them. And that’s how NEW fans are made.

F4’s only devoted fans are mostly fans of the comics, with a few hop-ons from the 2000’s movies. Now, back when the MCU was at its peak, that wasn’t an issue because people would watch anything with the Marvel logo, but these days, it might be affecting things more.

I also feel like the retro aesthetic might be doing nothing to quell the general feeling that they aren’t so relevant these days, which is the main reason I’ve argued against making Superman a period piece for several years as well.

I actually don't think F4 couldn't of generated hype in a flourishing MCU. The problem is there is no build to them. The MCU went off on so many detours (I still can't believe they made Agatha) that it forgot it was suppose to be telling a semi relevant overarching narrative. There have been plenty of meh movies, but I don't even think that's hurt all that much. Because there are plenty of meh movies in the first four phases. But now they're meh movies with no point.

 

[flickchick85]

All that said, I think F4 will do perfectly fine at the box office. If it’s good, it might even beat Superman, who knows. Jurassic though, I’d highly doubt. I just don’t think the hype is remotely there for it to be anything bigger than a solid-but-not-amazing MCU release.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My reply to the point on the no one cares about the FF and all that jazz is that it's the movie's job to reverse that sentiment. Which we won't know if it did or not until we see the reception, how much it makes, etc. So I think the funeral that is the default FF convo on here is very premature. The movie may yet just attract an audience that isn't on social media all the time and such. I do have to say the constant negativity really makes me want it to succeed a lot more. But I aint grabbing dirt until we get box office tracking and some closer to release data

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All that said, I think F4 will do perfectly fine at the box office. If it’s good, it might even beat Superman, who knows. Jurassic though, I’d highly doubt. I just don’t think the hype is remotely there for it to be anything bigger than a solid-but-not-amazing MCU release.

It all really depends on how strong Superman is overseas. I think domestically it has F4, potentially handily if it's good. Even in the MCU, Gunn was more domestic then OS friendly. It's why there was more consistency to the series box office overall.

JW is more a wildcard domestically, but I still expect it to do well overseas.

F4 though. I just don't feel any heat. Just like with Thunderbolts. And that movie was actually really good. But F4 are more superhero-y so they do have a more general family friendly vibe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My reply to the point on the no one cares about the FF and all that jazz is that it's the movie's job to reverse that sentiment. Which we won't know if it did or not until we see the reception, how much it makes, etc. So I think the funeral that is the default FF convo on here is very premature. The movie may yet just attract an audience that isn't on social media all the time and such. I do have to say the constant negativity really makes me want it to succeed a lot more. But I aint grabbing dirt until we get box office tracking and some closer to release data

I've never seen an MCU movie that wasn't a sequel "break out" without a strong online presence. Can you think of one?

 

[Flint Marko]

Marvel’s hot streak died with Disney+. They spread themselves absurdly thin to capture the streaming market and completely whiffed it.

If Fantastic Four came out in 2018 it would have had $700M built in on hype alone. They had a (vaguely) overarching story from movie to movie and people were invested. Now no one cares.

That said I do think the movie looks good. I also thought Thunderbolts looked really good and it was. We’ll see if that’s enough.

The new Jurassic movie on the other hand looks terrible

 

[Ninjablade]

I've never seen an MCU movie that wasn't a sequel "break out" without a strong online presence. Can you think of one?

The lone example has to be Captain Marvel, no?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've never seen an MCU movie that wasn't a sequel "break out" without a strong online presence. Can you think of one?

I dont know off hand cause there has been over 30 of these, but we shall see in July

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The lone example has to be Captain Marvel, no?

See I remember a lot of talk about it. Plenty bigoted and negative, but also it was the lead-in to Endgame and first woman lead solo (think they launched it on International Women's Day). So lots of speculation and talk.

 

[Ninjablade]

See I remember a lot of talk about it. Maybe not hype, but lots of discussion. Plenty bigoted and negative, but also it was the lead-in to Endgame. So lots of speculation.

True. I guess it really would come down to how much we want to parse the positive online chatter between it and Endgame. Really comes down to only it and GOTG being huge without being sequels (direct or indirect). GOGT I remember being everywhere and having people interested from the jump.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

True. I guess it really would come down to how much we want to parse that between it and Endgame. Really comes down to only it and GOTG being huge without being sequels (direct or indirect). GOGT I remember being everywhere and having people interested from the jump.

When I talk about hype, I'm talking about general MCU hype. Not necessarily for any individual franchise.