I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[SwordOfMorning]

Anybody else refreshing Twitter like crazy these days?

It's rough lol

 

[BigBatTheory]

Super hot take, but apart from my fanboy brain wanting a Catwoman show my interest in more spin-offs is pretty limited. Penguin was a good show, but I still found it more reductive than anything else? I don't need a massive sub-plot about how Falcone was a serial killer, the implication in The Batman is effective and haunting. Just one of a couple examples where it felt very classic expanded universe, filling in details that don't need to be filled in - fandom wiki lore stuff.

But I also didn't particularly love a majority of the show so the prospect of more in that vein doesn't excite me much.

If it's The Penguin crew doing more spin-offs, I don't want that either. I really didnt enjoy what it did, almost at all, despite being a mega fan of the movie. I want to see more of this universe tho. 3 movies ain't enough lol.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Anybody else refreshing Twitter like crazy these days?

No. Because it doesn't exist anymore.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If it's The Penguin crew doing more spin-offs, I don't want that either. I really didnt enjoy what it did, almost at all, despite being a mega fan of the movie. I want to see more of this universe tho. 3 movies ain't enough lol.

A little mystery keeps the romance alive.

 

[BigBatTheory]

I feel like this is exactly why the Marvel and SW shows haven't worked with a few exceptions. Andor had a purpose. Something to say. Most of these shows are made for content.

I like Penguin a lot. But if you asked me if it added anything to the Batman, I would say no. Arguably a net negative, but again I really like it. But it also doesn't need to exist as a part of that story.

The show I would be into for The Batman is the GCPD, because I do think it could really add something. More then even a Catwoman or Arkham show.

I was excited about the GCPD show when it sounded like it was gonna be this Batman's Year One from the perspective of the GCPD, with Joker getting captured at the end and Bruce and Gordon's relationship getti g established. Like I think that's an incredible idea. I fear after The Penguin, that is so far away from what we'd have gotten or would get.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

If it's The Penguin crew doing more spin-offs, I don't want that either. I really didnt enjoy what it did, almost at all, despite being a mega fan of the movie. I want to see more of this universe tho. 3 movies ain't enough lol.

I don't have any real investment in the universe as a thing to expand is sort of the thing for me. I just want a tight, three stories that wrap up conclusively. Or two stories if this one has a strong enough ending, either works.

I do genuinely like Penguin, for the record. When it's a character piece focused on Oz there's some great, great stuff. But the mafia stuff is just rank with boring cliche in the exact ways the movie avoided, the only thing that really keeps it above water for huge swathes of the mob war story is Miloti's acting - a couple of the big Sofia monologues are, imo, really bad on a writing level but Miloti does the Lord's work in masking that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't have any real investment in the universe as a thing to expand is sort of the thing for me. I just want a tight, three stories that wrap up conclusively. Or two stories if this one has a strong enough ending, either works.

I do genuinely like Penguin, for the record. When it's a character piece focused on Oz there's some great, great stuff. But the mafia stuff is just rank with boring cliche in the exact ways the movie avoided, the only thing that really keeps it above water for huge swathes of the mob war story is Miloti's acting - a couple of the big Sofia monologues are, imo, really bad on a writing level but Miloti does the Lord's work in masking that.

They have this great idea for an Oz backstory that would've made a kick ass little flick. But they needed to make a whole ass show.

I get why people want these worlds expanded on. But the worst thing you could do with any of these series is try to do everything. Fill in every gap. One of the reason you can keep doing a new Batman story is to explore something different.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

They have this great idea for an Oz backstory that would've made a kick ass little flick. But they needed to make a whole ass TV show.

I get why people want these worlds expanded on. But the worst thing you could do with any of these series is try to do everything. Fill in every gap.

One of the reason you can keep doing a new Batman story is to explore something different.

Yep, yep. Penguin is a killer two hour movie expanded into a series. One of the ways it feels way more like a Netflix Marvel show than the movie to me. Which isn't even fully a bad thing, I like Netflix Marvel!

 

[Mindreaper21]

I was rewatching some of the interviews from the penguin and it's interesting, producer Dylan Clark made it clear they want to do more series with marque characters. As much as I am excited for the sequel, I'm also interested to see if there is another villain that makes a mark like the penguin did to warrant a series.

The thing is, there are plenty of characters that could, but this is why the second film is so important. It will give more of a direction of where the saga is going and open up new territory to explore.

There’s multiple ways that a new series could be approached. They could go for it the same as Penguin where we see the world from the villains pov.

Or how about a murder mystery series that follows Barbra as an amateur teen detective that looks into a case that no one is giving much attention to that leads her to one of the villains. You could go with Hatter, Zsasz, Calendar Man, Pyg or even a reimagined villain that will have us guessing who it is.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Honestly, considering Matt's obvious slower pace I'm quite okay with having a TV show to sorta fill the interim between movies. And as Reaper said, they have great potential to expand on characters that deserve to be fleshed out over 8 hours but simply wouldn't get that chance in a movie with Batman. My only major wish for that is Rob's involvement in the shows. The tease at the end of Penguin was nice but I seriously doubt anybody would've been upset at him showing up in the last couple of episodes after Sofia literally leaves a fresh crater in Gotham. There's no way that wouldn't immediately get Oswald and Sofia on Batman's radar at that point. It's something I can live without, but I do think Rob being used appropriately for the shows can only benefit the world and its lore

 

[Johnny Frost]

I was rewatching some of the interviews from the penguin and it's interesting, producer Dylan Clark made it clear they want to do more series with marque characters. As much as I am excited for the sequel, I'm also interested to see if there is another villain that makes a mark like the penguin did to warrant a series.

Harvey Dent is the one character I bet Reeves hopes to explore in the TV space, either in a second season of Penguin (if that actually happens) or in a full solo series.

 

[Lily Adler]

Anybody else refreshing Twitter like crazy these days?

 

[WatchProtect]

I think one of two things would have made Penguin a lot better.

1. They had made it sort of in the style of Marvel's "Special Presentation" where it was much smaller story just spanning a shorter time Starting with Alberto’s murder. Obviously these shorter stories had been done before but That’s what first comes to mind.

2. The story took place in Year One, and mixed in elements of the GCPD show that was gonna happen, had most things happen the same way except a couple of specific things.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honestly, considering Matt's obvious slower pace I'm quite okay with having a TV show to sorta fill the interim between movies. And as Reaper said, they have great potential to expand on characters that deserve to be fleshed out over 8 hours but simply wouldn't get that chance in a movie with Batman. My only major wish for that is Rob's involvement in the shows. The tease at the end of Penguin was nice but I seriously doubt anybody would've been upset at him showing up in the last couple of episodes after Sofia literally leaves a fresh crater in Gotham. There's no way that wouldn't immediately get Oswald and Sofia on Batman's radar at that point. It's something I can live without, but I do think Rob being used appropriately for the shows can only benefit the world and its lore

Who needs to be fleshed out over 8 hours not named Batman?

 

[solidsnake86]

The problem with the TV shows that have implications for the movies is that a lot of people don't watch the TV show. I was a big fan of what they did with the penguin because you really don't have to watch it going into the sequel.

Like some said, I think an amazing idea would be to do a year one story with batman and Gordon capturing the joker, but they will likely never do that.

It just seemed like after the batman there was a lot of momentum with the universe and it's expansion. We had rumors of a scarecrow movie, poison ivy, professor pyg and then it all went quiet. Thats why I'm curious to see where the sequel goes.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The problem with the TV shows that have implications for the movies is that a lot of people don't watch the TV show. I was a big fan of what they did with the penguin because you really don't have to watch it going into the sequel.

Like some said, I think an amazing idea would be to do a year one story with batman and Gordon capturing the joker, but they will likely never do that.

It just seemed like after the batman there was a lot of momentum with the universe and it's expansion. We had rumors of a scarecrow movie, poison ivy, professor pyg and then it all went quiet. Thats why I'm curious to see where the sequel goes.

The reason there was momentum was HBO Max. Obviously the movies popularity too, but first and foremost it was at a very different moment from streaming where they were massively focused on generating as much IP content for the service as possible.

 

[flickchick85]

Who needs to be fleshed out over 8 hours not named Batman?

I would literally RATHER watch 100 hours of Catwoman than Batman.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I would literally RATHER watch 100 hours of Catwoman than Batman.

You and I both.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would literally RATHER watch 100 hours of Catwoman than Batman.

But then that's a Catwoman centered universe. Not a Batman one. And thus not necessary to the story The Batman trilogy is telling.

 

[dhandler01]

I feel like this is exactly why the Marvel and SW shows haven't worked with a few exceptions. Andor had a purpose. Something to say. Most of these shows are made for content.

I like Penguin a lot. But if you asked me if it added anything to the Batman, I would say no. Arguably a net negative, but again I really like it. But it also doesn't need to exist as a part of that story.

The show I would be into for The Batman is the GCPD, because I do think it could really add something. More then even a Catwoman or Arkham show.

But isnt that the point? The show is something extra, but not essential. HBO would want it broad enough for anyone to watch it and Reeves wouks want it to be something more for those who want a little more.

Its like in the big event comics...the better ancillary stories are the ones that add a littler filler if you want while also being complete stories in their own.

I think the problem is fandom dreams up these crazy stories and ideas (see: this thread) of how they would like to see things and (to steal a wrestling phrase) "work themselves into a shoot" about it to the point that anything else is disappointing to them. They latch onto rumors to bolster it and when things go another way it just doesn't work.

I mean literally the only people I see who dislike the direction of The Penguin are in this thread. Like most HBO shows it is pretty much loved and praised.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But isnt that the point? The show is something extra, but not essential. HBO would want it broad enough for anyone to watch it and Reeves wouks want it to be something more for those who want a little more.

Its like in the big event comics...the better ancillary stories are the ones that add a littler filler if you want while also being complete stories in their own.

I think the problem is fandom dreams up these crazy stories and ideas (see: this thread) of how they would like to see things and (to steal a wrestling phrase) "work themselves into a shoot" about it to the point that anything else is disappointing to them. They latch onto rumors to bolster it and when things go another way it just doesn't work.

I mean literally the only people I see who dislike the direction of The Penguin are in this thread. Like most HBO shows it is pretty much loved and praised.

And that is my exact problem with expanded universes and how they are handled. These are not comics. These are movie series that are getting turned into multimedia projects that end up chocking the life out of them. It's classic, boring, unartistic capitalism.

Using your analogy, I think it's unfair to blame fans if they are taught that that's how it works. Take Bryan Danielson. WWE didn't want to strap him up 2014. But they did. Why? Because those who worked themselves into a shoot got what they wanted. It's fine to say, "don't believe the rumors". But Marvel built an entire 2 billion dollar movie around believing a rumor.

As for your last sentence, you literally have no way of knowing that.