In Europe, Anarchy is back in style

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http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010...sy-blasts_8226769.html?boxes=financechannelAP

ROME -- A loosely linked movement of European anarchists who want to bring down state and financial institutions is becoming more violent and coordinated after decades out of the spotlight, and may be responding to social tensions spawned by the continent's financial crisis, security experts say.
Italian police said Tuesday that letter bombs were sent to three embassies in Rome by Italian anarchists in solidarity with jailed Greek anarchists, who had asked their comrades to organize and coordinate a global "revolutionary war."

Im thinking the anarchists are jealous of the Muslim extremists getting the spotlight these days
 
I'm thinking anarchists are a bunch of idiots. They can all move to an island and see how that works out for them.
 
If they did bring down state and financial institutions, then what? Has their "philosophy" progressed to that point yet?

I have to agree with BL that this comes across like little kids jealous for attention.
 
It's been going on since time began.....we are now just seeing it in "real time"...lol
 
It shows the incompetency of Silvio Berlusconi's administration when those letter bombs occur in Italy.

This, plus all of Europe's economic issues will likely spell the end of the current crop of European leaders. I would think at this point, only Angela Merkel of Germany is safe, despite issues in Germany as well.
 
Anarchists are the type of people that I wish could get what they want, just for a day. After seeing humanity without law and order, they'd shut up pretty damn quick.
 
They're not helping their cause by being bombing stuff.

They just made anarchists everywhere a target for more serious watch lists.
 
If anarchists make any real progress they'll be framed for some major terroist attack.

Then you'll have a public backlash and government crackdown.

It's too easy to stop groups like this. Look how quickly public sentiment turn against this group with a couple of letter bombs.
 
Anarchists are the first ones to hide behind the law. If you tell them to shut their mouths, they'll claim that we can't silence them as they have free speech. When arrested, they will hide behind the system. When these idiots get arrested for the letter bombs, they should just be shot. Or better yet, tortured and beaten to death by the families of those that they have killed. No trial, no jury, just revenge. See how anarchy suits them then.
 
Organized anarchy....the wave of the future.
 
Matt Ill gladly help you. Shackle their feets and I will tickle them.
 
Anarchists are the first ones to hide behind the law. If you tell them to shut their mouths, they'll claim that we can't silence them as they have free speech. When arrested, they will hide behind the system. When these idiots get arrested for the letter bombs, they should just be shot. Or better yet, tortured and beaten to death by the families of those that they have killed. No trial, no jury, just revenge. See how anarchy suits them then.

Legit anarchists understand that the right to free speech is not a product of government ("the State") but a natural right. Just like it's an attack on natural - not government granted - rights to unjustly arrest someone for holding an anarchist opinion.

When anarchist start violating natural rights, they lose all integrity. Their action justify the presence of the State and thus doing significantly more harm for their position than they could ever do good.

Organized anarchy....the wave of the future.

You are actually dead on.

Too bad. The cool ones could gain status and popularity and lead the others.

Oh wait that defeats the whole purpose of anarchy.

No, the purpose of anarchy is the destruction of government - not the destruction of leadership.
 
Organized anarchy....the wave of the future.

It's like organized atheism. Atheists have even started putting up billboards. They are now a religion with a belief in the lack of faith. What is this world coming to!
 
It's like organized atheism. Atheists have even started putting up billboards. They are now a religion with a belief in the lack of faith. What is this world coming to!

I'm curious, what's the difference between philosophy and religion?

any leadership that isn't of their design

In a functioning anarchistic world, all association would be voluntary. Therefore it would be up to the individual to find the area whose society best reflect their values.

But, again, anarchism is anti-state, not (necessarily) anti-society.
 
the problem is that people are weak willed...the system or idea is good in theory, but there will always be people that want more, or demand more, or consider themselves above others
 
It's definitely more of a Utopian ideology. In order for anarchism to succeed, you would need a population of reasonable adults, which we don't have yet.

I believe Federal Constitutionalism is the ideal path to anarchy (which should always be the goal). This would necessarily include the right to secession, which allows gradual destruction of the state.
 
Wikipedia defines it thus :


Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchíā, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:
  • "No rulership or enforced authority."[1]
  • "A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
  • "Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[3]
  • "Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[4]
  • "Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this." [5]
  • Anarchy is the basic rule of a no rule society.
None of these sounds terribly appealing. I'm thinking the least offensive one is ""A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."["
The only problem there is who keeps groups from banding together, and pillaging? We all know it is in human nature to take from others that have, 'natural rights' or not.
 
yea...and reasonable is entirely subjective depending on who you talk to
 
Chaotic Anarchy (which is what these Europeans are) are idiots.

Anarco-Capitalists, however, that's the good stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

Wiki said:
Anarcho-capitalism (also known as “libertarian anarchy”[1][2] or “market anarchism”[3] or “free market anarchism”[4]) is a libertarian[5][6] and individualist anarchist[7] political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market. Economist Murray Rothbard is credited with coining the term.[8][9] In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics. Furthermore, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would not exist.Anarcho-capitalists argue for a society based on the voluntary trade of private property and services (including money, consumer goods, land, and capital goods) in order to maximize individual liberty and prosperity. However, they also recognize charity and communal arrangements as part of the same voluntary ethic.[10] Though anarcho-capitalists are known for asserting a right to private (individualized or joint non-public) property, some propose that non-state public or community property can also exist in an anarcho-capitalist society.[11] For them, what is important is that it is acquired and transferred without help or hindrance from the compulsory state. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians believe that the only just, and/or most economically-beneficial, way to acquire property is through voluntary trade, gift, or labor-based original appropriation, rather than through aggression or fraud.[12]Anarcho-capitalists see free-market capitalism as the basis for a free and prosperous society. Murray Rothbard said that the difference between free-market capitalism and "state capitalism" is the difference between "peaceful, voluntary exchange" and a collusive partnership between business and government that uses coercion to subvert the free market.[13] "Capitalism," as anarcho-capitalists employ the term, is not to be confused with state monopoly capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, or contemporary mixed economies, wherein natural market incentives and disincentives are skewed by state intervention.[14] So they reject the state, based on the belief that states are aggressive entities which steal property (through taxation and expropriation), initiate aggression, are a compulsory monopoly on the use of force, use their coercive powers to benefit some businesses and individuals at the expense of others, create monopolies, restrict trade, and restrict personal freedoms via drug laws, compulsory education, conscription, laws on food and morality, and the like. The embrace of unfettered capitalism leads to considerable tension between anarcho-capitalists and many social anarchists that view capitalism and its market as just another authority. Anti-capitalist anarchists generally consider anarcho-capitalism a contradiction in terms.[15]
 
I'm curious, what's the difference between philosophy and religion?

Philosophy asks questions to find answers. Religion claims to have answers to all questions. Atheism is no longer a lack of a belief in religion, it has become an organized anti-religion. It is the Bizarro to Superman.

Thus anarchists have become organized and structured to fight the exact same things they have become. I would even bet these anarchist groups have leadership.
 
Chaotic Anarchy (which is what these Europeans are) are idiots.

Anarco-Capitalists, however, that's the good stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

Yeah, put all our lives in the hands of private corporations without the power to vote abusive/corrupt/misguided leaders out of power.

Genius idea.

That's what I don't understand about fiscal libertarians, so willing to trade government power for corporate masters. At least the average person can influence government by voting. What are you going to do when corporate leaders do something you don't like? Vote them out without being on the board of trustees? Good luck with that.
 

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