Indonesian Christians riot as three executed

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Before I post this, I'll say it once: Keep it CIVIL in this thread. I would like for it to not get deleted like the other religion thread. Thanks.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=27934&sid=10061290&con_type=1

Saturday, September 23, 2006

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Christian mobs freed hundreds of prisoners, torched cars, and looted Muslim-owned shops across eastern Indonesia after three Roman Catholics were executed Friday for leading a 2000 attack that killed 70 Muslims.On the island of Flores, where the three men were born, machete-wielding youths terrorized residents and police fired warning shots to disperse gangs tearing apart the local parliament building and setting others on fire.
Vice President Jusuf Kalla appealed for calm, saying the deaths of the three men had nothing to do with religion. "It's a matter of law," he said. "If the people resent the law, we are doomed."
Fabianus Tibo, 60, Marinus Riwu, 48, and Dominggus da Silva, 42, were led before a police firing squad just south of Central Sulawesi's provincial capital Palu at 1.45am.
Security was tight in Palu, where violence between Christians and Muslims has left thousands dead in recent years.
The three were to die in August, but the executions were postponed after a papal appeal and mass demonstrations.
"They they were shot in a sitting position with their hands tied," said priest Jimmy Tumbelaka. "Two were blindfolded while Marianus Riwu refused to be blindfolded."
The bodies of Tibo and Riwu were flown to Flores while Silva was buried in Palu, 1,650 kilometers northeast of Jakarta.
A panel of three judges found the men guilty of leading a Christian militia that launched attacks in May 2000 - including a machete and gun assault on an Islamic school.
Rights workers say the trial was a sham and that while it was possible the trio joined in the bloodshed they almost certainly were not the masterminds.
The case has raised tensions in the world's most populous Muslim nation and sparked debate about the role religion played in punishing those who joined in violence that swept Sulawesi from 1998 to 2002, killing more than 1,000 people. Only a handful of Muslims were convicted and none jailed for more than 15 years.
The executions took place despite an appeal last month by Pope Benedict to spare them. A Vatican spokesman said news of their deaths "was very sad and painful."
Palu was largely calm Friday, with thousands of police on guard as some 1,000 mourners packed a church in a requiem mass. "My father begged us not to be angry, not to seek revenge," Tibo's son, Robert, told Christian followers after the morning prayers. "He asked us to forgive those who did this to him. God blesses all of us."
But violence flared in the Sulawesi villages of Tentena and Lage, where Christians rampaged, torching cars and police posts.
Thousands also rallied in the province of East Nusatenggara, home to many Catholics, blocking roads and attacking government buildings. Some 200 inmates escaped after a mob stormed a jail in the town of Atambua.
Although the government insists the three Christians got a fair trial, with 28 witnesses providing testimony, rights workers and legal experts noted that the judiciary is corrupt and susceptible to outside influence. Muslim hardliners gathered at the court for the trial, threatening judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys and witnesses.
Three Islamic militants on death row for the 2002 Bali bombings said they would rather be beheaded than face a firing squad, arguing it is a more humane way to die.



jag
 
They were executed because they were defending themselves, but it's being spinned as if they were bloodthirsty killers.

I don't support the riot demonstrations, but I agree that injustice should be denounced or protested.
 
the men executed got what they deserved. You attack schoolkids you don't deserve life. Doesn't matter what faith they are they don't deserve life after that kind of act. The rioters haven't got a leg to stand on in this case, rioters rarely do :down:
 
Bad Superman said:
They were executed because they were defending themselves, but it's being spinned as if they were bloodthirsty killers.

I don't support the riot demonstrations, but I agree that injustice should be denounced or protested.

they defended themselves against a muslim school?:huh:
 
Bad Superman said:
They were executed because they were defending themselves, but it's being spinned as if they were bloodthirsty killers.

I don't support the riot demonstrations, but I agree that injustice should be denounced or protested.

attacking those responsible for the initial incident would have been acting in defence. What they did was just terrorism. People don't seem to understand that muslims aren;t the only faith capable of it. Those kids were not responsible for what happened therefore it was an unprovoked attack
 
w00t!
Riot for JESUS!!!
:up:

Wield a machete for Jesus!!!
Turn the other cheek, so I can slice it up, for Jesus!!!
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was that civil enough? :confused: I have no idea.
 
I'm serious. Keep your personal feuds out of here. Period.

Thanks,
jag
 
but then, this kind of shows that it's not really about religion is it? it's about the use of religion, and has nothing to do with the "teachings" of one religiong or another.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
but then, this kind of shows that it's not really about religion is it? it's about the use of religion, and has nothing to do with the "teachings" of one religiong or another.

What it actually shows is how inserting religion into a story helps to sell more papers in the modern world
 
hippy fascist said:
attacking those responsible for the initial incident would have been acting in defence. What they did was just terrorism. People don't seem to understand that muslims aren;t the only faith capable of it. Those kids were not responsible for what happened therefore it was an unprovoked attack

There was no proof they were the authors of the massacre.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
...maybe they composed the massacre :huh:

Lawyers and civil liberties organizations questioned how the trial was handled since no solid proof was presented.
 
Why do you have a personal bias against the Christians, Jag?

It seems to me, everyone on this boards hates the concept of Christianity. :down
 
HellOnEarth said:
It seems to me, everyone on this boards hates the concept of Christianity. :down
Uh, that's kind of a load of horse-****, seeing as how one of my favorite things to do is to point out all of the contradictions in the Bible and throw wrecking balls of logic and truth through Christianity, and yet here, there is always, always, always a team of believers who try to defend the faith. I am e-friends, in my mind at least, with quite a few of them. So, mmmm....no.
 
HellOnEarth said:
Why do you have a personal bias against the Christians, Jag?

It seems to me, everyone on this boards hates the concept of Christianity. :down

I dislike ALL organized religion.

jag
 
HellOnEarth said:
Why do you have a personal bias against the Christians, Jag?

It seems to me, everyone on this boards hates the concept of Christianity. :down

Not everyone. There are some posters who don't believe or have different beliefs which I have shared on PM and they've been quite civil after a heated exchange. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the others. As you said they do hate Christianity and it's members.
 
Bad Superman said:
As you said they do hate Christianity and it's members.
In Community?
I have been here for almost 2 years and I can't think of a single person who hates it's members. :huh:
 
Rights workers say the trial was a sham and that while it was possible the trio joined in the bloodshed they almost certainly were not the masterminds.

So... they ARE guilty of attacking innocent people, yes?

I don't agree with the death penalty. It seems to me, this has very little to do with religion and Pope Benedict really shouldn't have gotten involved. Christians that attack children aren't Christians. Why the heck should the Pope ask for them to be spared??
 
A warning if any of you peeps get out of hand again like that last thread and those posts I deleted already here you will in biiiig trouble
 
Morg said:
A warning if any of you peeps get out of hand again like that last thread and those posts I deleted already here you will in biiiig trouble


With four I's!!!!!!:wow:
 
Morg said:
A warning if any of you peeps get out of hand again like that last thread and those posts I deleted already here you will in biiiig trouble

But you deleted posts from this thread that weren't antagonistic and were perfectly relevant to this thread? :huh:

jag
 
jaguarr said:
But you deleted posts from this thread that weren't antagonistic and were perfectly relevant to this thread? :huh:

jag


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