The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Brendan]

I don't want to bother with debating or arguing with you 3 Dev Adam. Not because of your opinions, but because I literally swated at my computer screen after glancing at your avatar.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

well what are you doing on a site about the sequel to a movie you hate!

Where did I said that I hated the movie, mister smarty-panties?

 

[CaptainClown]

I don't want to bother with debating or arguing with you 3 Dev Adam. Not because of your opinions, but because I literally swated at my computer screen after glancing at your avatar.

lol

 

[Mr. Socko]

That I hate Nolan's Batsuit, I don't see anything even remotely batmanistic on the Tumbler, BB's Gotham was a pretty lame and visually unappealing city, and any kung fu movie from the 70's is leaps and bounds better, action-wise, than any american movie ever made.

Which one?

 

[3 Dev Adam]

I don't want to bother with debating or arguing with you 3 Dev Adam. Not because of your opinions, but because I literally swated at my computer screen after glancing at your avatar.

Avatar? I don't have an avatar. Whatchu talking about?

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Which one?

All the ones he did so far. I want Batman, not Robocop disguised as a cockroach.

 

[Brendan]

cockroach.

hmm.... It reminds you of a cockroach. I see a strange patern here involving bugs.

 

[GUNSLINGER]

That I hate Nolan's Batsuit, I don't see anything even remotely batmanistic on the Tumbler, BB's Gotham was a pretty lame and visually unappealing city, and any kung fu movie from the 70's is leaps and bounds better, action-wise, than any american movie ever made.

whats wrong with you? i know you are a shu-gay-maker lover, go watch your batman & robin and your batman forever and we will keep our begins. which is far more closer to the comic than has ever been doone before.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

whats wrong with you? i know you are a shu-gay-maker lover, go watch your batman & robin and your batman forever and we will keep our begins. which is far more closer to the comic than has ever been doone before.

Maybe closer to the comics that YOU know, but I've been reading Batman since the 60's and I can safely say that I know the character more than you do. So there.

 

[GUNSLINGER]

Maybe closer to the comics that YOU know, but I've been reading Batman since the 60's and I can safely say that I know the character more than you do. So there.

well for you info i am 30 and i have been reading them since the 80's and have collected back as far as the 60's and for your info i see the 60's and 70's a mostly a censoring of the material due the the comic code, a great injustice to all comics of those times so go have your censored characters and plots i'll take the late 70's and beyond.

 

[Brendan]

 

[CaptainClown]

hard to believe they represent me ugh

 

[GUNSLINGER]

lamo!!!

 

[roach]

whats wrong with you? i know you are a shu-gay-maker lover, go watch your batman & robin and your batman forever and we will keep our begins. which is far more closer to the comic than has ever been doone before.

what comics have you been reading??
Since when did Batman rely on someone else to make all his "toys"?
Where was the detective aspect???
Since when has Commissioner Gordon been merely comedy relief(they might have well put Chief O'Hara in the pic)???
Since when has Batman just been a ninja and not an amalgamation of all the world's martial arts???

Notice how my arguement stays away from how the costume looks or the Tumbler Batmobile not looking bat-ish

 

[DeathRaven]

The Fights in Batman Begins made sence with how the story was revoling around fear, so we were given the point of view of the crimanal of how they saw it.

But for The Dark Knight I would like to see more of batman kicking ass instead of quick shots of a blur on screen.

I loved it for BB, but for what it sounds like there doing in the Dark knight we need to see something different.

 

[Casius--J]

Oh please change it, thats my biggest complaint of batman begins i was really looking forward to the fighting and when the film finally comes out I could hardly see a thing!

Nolan just needs to pull the camera out a little, jason bourne style would suit me fine!

 

[Fresh Tendrils]

For minor thugs/groups, I don't mind the quick editing, "don't see a whole lot" shots. It reminds me of the opening of BTAS and leaves room for imagination, while also making the lasting impression that Batman just opened a can of whoop-ass. With major villains, like The Joker or Two-Face, however, I do want to see more of the fight and definitely some banter.

 

[MaceB]

This is probably one of the biggest hurdles of the entire Batman franchise. Although we can suspend disbelief with Superman, Spiderman, or whoever...it's just physically pretty unrealistic that a guy in a heavy batsuit like that could actually do much harm to anyone. The close shooting and quick editing was Nolan's way of getting around that, so it wouldn't look so unbelievable and ridiculous. If he figures out a better way to get the job done in TDK, I'm sure he'll do it. If he can't, then we'll probably see more of the same - and that's cool by me.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

"The close shooting and quick editing was Nolan's way of getting around that, so it wouldn't look so unbelievable and ridiculous."

Neo fought with a cape-like coat. It looked cool.
Azumi killed 200 thugs wearing a cape-like cape. It looked cool.

The problem lies with the fact that Nolan is unable to shoot a fight scene. Fact.

 

[MaceB]

Again, with films like Spiderman, Superman, and even the Matrix...we can suspend disbelief. Those movies are full on fantasy where the protagonist has a fantastic orogin that sets him apart from the average man. Batman is not that kind of hero. He's just a man.
This is especially true with Nolan's realist style. you can't have it both ways. You can't appreciate all the added realism that Nolan brings to the batman franchise, and expect Batman to easily beat 20 guys while wearing a 50 lbs rubber suit. The only way to make it realistic is to bring the camera in close. You may not like it, but it was still a creative decision; it wasn't just Nolan being neglectful. He's not that kind of filmmaker.

 

[roach]

Again, with films like Spiderman, Superman, and even the Matrix...we can suspend disbelief. Those movies are full on fantasy where the protagonist has a fantastic orogin that sets him apart from the average man. Batman is not that kind of hero. He's just a man.
This is especially true with Nolan's realist style. you can't have it both ways. You can't appreciate all the added realism that Nolan brings to the batman franchise, and expect Batman to easily beat 20 guys while wearing a 50 lbs rubber suit. The only way to make it realistic is to bring the camera in close. You may not like it, but it was still a creative decision; it wasn't just Nolan being neglectful. He's not that kind of filmmaker.

Or the filmakers cant have it both ways. You lay in the bed you make. If you want a hyper realistic world then you have to do it all the way. You are correct it is unrealistic to have someone beat up 20 guys in 50lbs of rubber....so why not go with a suit more realistic to someone who is an acrobat and ninja???? Why not go with a more faithful suit???

 

[co2]

Well guys, the problem is in the way of the Batsuit. Take a look at that thing. It's very restrictive and stuntman or not, in the real world no one can have much mobility in a suit like that. So to keep with the fantasy of the story, they did close cuts and quick edits to give the impression that Batman is pulling off some fancy manuevers. The only other way to achieve it is by creating a CG Batman, and that will look just as silly.

 

[MaceB]

So to keep with the fantasy of the story, they did close cuts and quick edits to give the impression that Batman is pulling off some fancy manuevers. The only other way to achieve it is by creating a CG Batman, and that will look just as silly.

Right. Not only might it look silly, but it could also turn out like the Spiderman series, where you feel like you are watching two separate movies: Spiderman the drama vs. Spiderman the fight scenes.
A CG Batman just doesn't seem like it would fit IMO.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

The only way to make it realistic is to bring the camera in close.

Speak for yourself.

Want an example to crush your theories once and for all? Kurosawa's samurai movies. Samurais wore a garb that was pretty much restrictive, and yet the fight scenes were nothing short of sublime. And shot from a distance. And very realistic.

And I'm talking about the 50's and 60's, damn!

So, don't come with your American theories of moviemaking. The entire world knows that Americans were always limited when it comes to shoot real action scenes. Even the British are better, due to the expertise from the James Bond series. So there.

 

[co2]

Speak for yourself.

Want an example to crush your theories once and for all? Kurosawa's samurai movies. Samurais wore a garb that was pretty much restrictive, and yet the fight scenes were nothing short of sublime. And shot from a distance. And very realistic.

And I'm talking about the 50's and 60's, damn!

So, don't come with your American theories of moviemaking. The entire world knows that Americans were always limited when it comes to shoot real action scenes. Even the British are better, due to the expertise from the James Bond series. So there.

So what are you trying to say? Nolan shot up close with quick edits because he wanted to deny the audience seeing an incredible fight scene?! That doesn't make any sense. Don't you think if he could have shot it otherwise he would have? It was to hide the limitations of the suit and not take you out of the fantasy of the film.