Irish Firm Claims To Have Developed Free, Clean, Renwable Energy Source

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http://www.playfuls.com/news_001959...te_Prank_or_the_Fundamental_Breakthrough.html

Free, Clean Energy: an Elaborate Prank or the Fundamental Breakthrough?

We now know for more than a century that energy cannot be created and that it cannot be destroyed. It just transforms itself. But and Irish firm claims the contrary.

Sean McCarthy is the head of Steorn, a small hi-tech firm in Dublin. What brought him to fame was an advertisement page he bought in The Economist last week, inviting the scientific community to test his announced invention, which by the way, violates the very first principle of thermodynamics.

“We are under no illusions that there will be a lot of cynicism out there about our proposition, as it challenges one of the basic principles of physics,” he said.

“However, the implications of our technology go far beyond scientific curiosity: they address many urgent global needs including security of energy supply and zero emission energy production.”

The company, based in Dublin’s Docklands Innovation Park, is seeking 12 scientists to take part in a rigorous testing exercise to prove the technology creates free energy.

'It wasn't so much a Eureka moment as a get-back-in-there-and-check-your-instruments moment, although in far more colorful language,' said McCarthy.

But when he attempted to share his findings, he says, scientists either put the phone down on him or refused to endorse him publicly in case they damaged their academic reputations.

What the Irish firm claims is not less than the discovery which would make the famous “perpetuum mobile” a reality. The French Academy dismissed such “scientific” projects since the 18th century, after more than a hundred similar claims about the same matter proved to be total failures.

But now, McCarthy and his colleagues are bringing that matter back to life. “We have to fight public opinion, we have to fight the scientific community and we have to fight the energy industry. We couldn't pick a worse battleground.”

Despite the lack of trust from most academics, within 36 hours of his advert appearing he had been contacted by 420 scientists in Europe, America and Australia, and a further 4,606 people had registered to receive the results.

“The claim does rail against so much thinking from ordinary people, through the engineering community to the academic community, it's a prerequisite that this is accepted by science, and that this is embraced by science.”

"Oh, goodness, what can I say?" said Martin Sevior, associate professor at Melbourne University's School of Physics. "It violates a very fundamental principle of physics, and flies in the face of 2000-years-plus of physics. It's an incredibly big claim."

But Steorn's chief executive, Sean McCarthy, insisted that scientists had already examined the technology and had said off the record that it worked.

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," he told Ireland's RTE radio.

"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates, it provides a constant stream of clean energy."

"We fully accept there is going to be cynicism surrounding this but what we're saying to the world of science is come and prove us wrong," said Steorn Chief Executive Sean McCarthy.

Over the past two to three years, 90% of the scientists the company asked to examine the technology refused. He said the 10% who investigated drew the same conclusion as the company that it can create energy.

“We’re throwing down the gauntlet with today’s announcement — now it’s over to the scientists to ensure that the real potential and benefits of our technology can be realised.”

Mr. McCarthy said the results would be published regardless of the outcome.

“We have to fight public opinion, we have to fight the scientific community and we have to fight the energy industry. We couldn't pick a worse battleground.”

Barry Williams, of the Australian Skeptics, said he did not believe it. "They are not the first company to claim they have suddenly discovered the miraculous property of magnetism that allows you to get free energy."



It really goes against the current understanding of physics, but certainly not out of the question. What do you folks think? Hoax, or real?

jag
 
What do I think?

If it's real, all involved will die in *ahem* mysterious accidents and it will be be *ahem* lost in the funeral shuffle. Or suppressed. Whichever you prefer.
 
I hope to god it's real, clean energy.
and energy for poor countries and rich alike. :up:

but something tells me it's either a hoax or , well, that guy is dead.
 
Bet after this we never hear about it agian....thats how these things usually work out.
 
I hope it's true, but there's a bit of doubt in my mind.
 
"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates, it provides a constant stream of clean energy."

Wow. If they're confident in the ability to create substantial amounts of energy w/ little or (as they claim) no transferral, this would definitely receive staunch criticism.

A discovery like this could change the face of many things: Power Industry, Coal-based fuel, Weapons research, etc. . .

Like other people mentioned above, this is a fairly dangerous undertaking. Billions, maybe even trillions are involved w/ this possibly radical change in thinking.
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[On the same wavelength so to speak, does anyone ever remember reading reports (in the mid-late 90's) about a german scientist who had allegedly discovered a speed faster than light? I remember reading a few articles about it, and then knowledge of it completely disappeared. Now, I'm not really a conspiracy theorist, so it could've been an elaborate hoax to garner attention, funding, or instigate, but I've occasionally wondered about that.]-[sorry to ask this in your thread Jag]:)
 
Magnetism in the energy industry is already used.

We call it AC power.
 
War Lord said:
Magnetism in the energy industry is already used.

We call it AC power.

Yeah, but w/ this new energy, magnetism would no longer be necessary right? (under the assumption that it works)
 
Alpha and Omega said:
Yeah, but w/ this new energy, magnetism would no longer be necessary right? (under the assumption that it works)

Cold fusion was supposed to work too.
 
War Lord said:
Cold fusion was supposed to work too.

Cold fusion's a little different than this claim right?

CF works on the principal of harnessing destructive energy that's been released; these people claim that they can create energy as opposed to unlocking it or a transferral.
 
Alpha and Omega said:
Cold fusion's a little different than this claim right?

CF works on the principal of harnessing destructive energy that's been released; these people claim that they can create energy as opposed to unlocking it or a transferral.

It's likely a scam, but it will be interesting if there are further developments.
 
There's only one sure way for this to take off (if it's true) - put all the information in the public domain. Upload machine schematics, spec's everything. And do it quickly before all those involved are either bought off or die horrible deaths.

On second thought, after looking at their website i'm not convinced. It has the look and feel of nothing more than a PR campaign.
 
****, the last time this happened Spider Man had to stop Doc Ock from destroying Manhatten. Is there a Spiderman in Ireland? If not the rivers will run green with blood of Irishmen everywhere.
 
i'm going to buy stock into that right now....:marv: it wouldn't be the first ime i fell for something though
 
It's always a "claim".
I've seen scores of these "claims" in my lifetime.
Still waiting.
 
Rambo said:
On second thought, after looking at their website i'm not convinced. It has the look and feel of nothing more than a PR campaign.

That's the feeling I got as well, when I was looking at their website. Then I found this article:

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2006/08/steorn_and_free_1.html

August 19, 2006

Steorn and free energy: the plot thickens

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McCarthy Steorn has now posted a slick, five-minute video that features interviews with company CEO Sean McCarthy as well as the company's marketing director. For more background, see our earlier discussion.
Like I said, the video's slick, and not too heavy on scientific detail. But it's worth checking out if you're interested in the topic, it does begin to explain the company's motivations for choosing to issue a challenge in the Economist:
McCarthy: The first roadblock is science. We wanted to go behind closed doors. But with the academic community, it might take five to seven years before being able to get to a consensus position. As a business, that makes absolutely no sense.
The video explains that a "quiet" campaign was plan A. The direct marketing approach currently being taken is Plan B. If this fails, the marketing director jokes, Plan C is building a car that never needs to go to a fueling station. Then the CEO says the current tactic is the best, quickest approach to gaining scientific approval:
McCarthy: The claim does rail against so much thinking from ordinary people, through the engineering community to the academic community, it's a prerequisite that this is accepted by science, and that this is embraced by science.
Then, he concludes by saying it's Steorn against the world.
McCarthy: We have to fight public opinion, we have to fight the scientific community and we have to fight the energy industry. We couldn't pick a worse battleground.
The more I think about this I am of two minds:
1. These guys really do think they've succeeded in breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
2. Recall that Steorn is a former e-business company that saw its market vanish during the dot.com bust. It stands to reason that Steorn has re-tooled as a Web marketing company, and is using the "free energy" promotion as a platform to show future clients how it can leverage print advertising and a slick Web site to promote their products and ideas. If so, it's a pretty brilliant strategy.



Either it's a big hoax or they've really discovered something and are putting their previous knowledge of marketing to work for them. I'll be interested to see how this turns out.

jag
 
Rambo said:
There's only one sure way for this to take off (if it's true) - put all the information in the public domain. Upload machine schematics, spec's everything. And do it quickly before all those involved are either bought off or die horrible deaths.

On second thought, after looking at their website i'm not convinced. It has the look and feel of nothing more than a PR campaign.

Uh no.

If they did that, countries like China would just steal it and create their own, but they do need to show a working model.
 
so weird. while i was drinking whiskey saturday night talking about bein' irish, my friend brought this up. But then i got so drunk i totally forgot about it till I saw your thread.
 
It's probably Leprechauns. They don't eat, don't sleep and never get tired.
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I find myself wondering about the discoverer's backgrounds.

I suspect they believe they've discovered something, but I think it might turn out that their understanding of what's actually happening is flawed.

That's at least the most benign explaination I have.
 
New energy is created? Getting more energy when back to the starting point along a field line?

I call bull****.

EDIT: From their own website... it says: "Those who were prepared to complete testing have all confirmed our claims; however none will publicly go on record."

Think about it... if none of these supposed scientists will go on the record, how can I even know they exist? These people could be lying through their teeth, because really... they've just made an unfalsifiable claim.
 
Daisy said:
I find myself wondering about the discoverer's backgrounds.

I suspect they believe they've discovered something, but I think it might turn out that their understanding of what's actually happening is flawed.

That's at least the most benign explaination I have.
same here

they might be thinkin' they are creating energy, when in fact they might be just transforming energy...


but either way, a form of energy that's both cheap and clean it's as good as pie:up:
 

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