Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

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Dasher10 said:
My hope is that Iron Fist is tied up with how Doctor Strange presents magic in the Marvel U. Once they start filming Strange, the wheels will start rolling.
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Great point Dasher.
Lets hope Marvel gets all of their ducks in a row if anything is truly amiss behind the scenes.
EDIT: just now seeing how all of this is debunked by several sources. I'm glad to hear that, but honestly, why would anyone spread malicious rumors and lies like this? All it would do is potentially work up the fans, but there's nothing to be gained from that.
 
As a huge fan of Iron Fist, I hope it's not true. He's the character who's show I wanted to see the most out of this deal.

I just don't see why it's such a hard concept to nail down. I feel like Fraction and Brubaker pretty much gave you your vision with Immortal Iron Fist. It was basically gritty crime drama meets Enter the Dragon meets Marvel Universe.

I don't get how Iron Fist would be tied up with Doctor Strange.
 
TheVileOne said:
As a huge fan of Iron Fist, I hope it's not true. He's the character who's show I wanted to see the most out of this deal.

I just don't see why it's such a hard concept to nail down. I feel like Fraction and Brubaker pretty much gave you your vision with Immortal Iron Fist. It was basically gritty crime drama meets Enter the Dragon meets Marvel Universe.
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The Claremont/Byrne years in the 70s were also pretty good... and it was also a gritty crime drama meets martial arts mysticism.

A combination of those two visions would work best. As for who can do the kind of visuals we'd need on a TV budget without making them look terrible, I suggest Aaron Shoenke (or however you spell his last name). He does Super Power Beat Down on a shoestring budget and makes it look expensive. I don't get why Marvel haven't just hired the guy yet.

Alternatively, they could go with Mike DiMartino who may be most famous for an animated TV series, but it's one that's also exactly the type of show that Iron Fist would be. Legend of Korra is over. I'm not sure if Mike has a new project but he actually did a series that would be a LOT like Iron Fist.

Marvel have options. It's not like there's nobody out there who fits their vision.
 
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Silvermoon said:
*goes to BC.... sees the name of the "journalist" of the so called rumors*

Johnston.... :whatever: Yeah... taking worth a grain of salt (if even that) IMO.
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I'm unfamiliar with the journalist in question, and I only know Bleeding Cool from them breaking ground on the FFINO rumors from a while ago. But it's encouraging to hear that most people seem to be dismissive of this, as I'm quite looking forward to Iron Fist.
 
Flint Marko said:
Great point Dasher.
Lets hope Marvel gets all of their ducks in a row if anything is truly amiss behind the scenes.
EDIT: just now seeing how all of this is debunked by several sources. I'm glad to hear that, but honestly, why would anyone spread malicious rumors and lies like this? All it would do is potentially work up the fans, but there's nothing to be gained from that.
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Now this is just a rumor of course , but word has it BleedingCool is acting as New York/ Ike Perlmutter's mouth piece right now. As far as he's trying to make Feige's move of going over his head to answer only to Disney look like it's causing friction between the film and TV divisions of Marvel.

Which it is of course, only because Ike has been undermined and now he'll make a bunch of noise about it until someone from Disney gets rid of him completely. But I'm not sure how easy that will be.

When you think about it , it makes perfect sense. First we had the report a few months ago now about the dissolving of the committee and where Ike is only in charge of the publishing and Television side now and Feige answering only to Disney how it pertains to the films.

Now within the last week we've heard about some nonsense about Inhumans being scrapped from Marvel's slate because of AoS no less, which always sounded ridiculous in the first place, but note that it's a part of the Entertainment branch of Marvel. Now we have this Iron Fist rumor that literally came outta no where when you consider Carrie Ann Moss' character has direct ties to Iron Fist lore and we know all the stuff Daredevil set up.

Smells like petty in fighting to me, but like I said it's just a rumor.
 
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I've been scared for iron fist ever since the perlmutter, feige split I have a feeling perlmutter and co are nervous about the budget required to bring iron fist to life, you can tell daredevil was made on the cheap as great as it is, iron fist requires way more budget for his back story alone, it may still be alive but I feel they may drastically tone down the character, but we will see.
 
Considering AoS looks like it has even more of a budget this season, I'm not sure that's the problem. Even with all the mystical stuff, can it really surpass the amount of CGI used in that show for the Quinjets, not to mention the new Plane alone? the Inhuman's abilities and practical make up effects stuff ain't cheap either despite how it looks.
 
Flint Marko said:
I'm unfamiliar with the journalist in question, and I only know Bleeding Cool from them breaking ground on the FFINO rumors from a while ago. But it's encouraging to hear that most people seem to be dismissive of this, as I'm quite looking forward to Iron Fist.
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Rocinante has written up a pretty good summary. To add to it...I mean, just ever since the split was announced Johnston has just come across as extremely bitter and extremely anti-Feige/anti-film side of Marvel. Writing whatever he can to paint Feige in just a negative light (regardless of the truth) and Perlmutter as if he's this great guy that the Marvel films will fail without him involved.

For the past few months he's kind of just been throwing stuff at the wall (I mean the last few 'scoops' have sourced back to 'hearing things in bars') trying to create click bait articles that I'm sure he knows will get people worked up. IMO It lends credence to the talk that what supposed sources he has inside Marvel have been on the non-film side and so the reorganization made him far far less likely to get the occasional film scoop (hence the bitterness).

I'd take any MCU related news that he in particular posts worth a grain of salt (if even that) at this point.
 
I know one thing no matter what happens this wont be put up with for long on Disney's end, the MCU is a Billion dollar franchise. AoS found it's sea legs last year and The Netflix series have been showered with praise so far.

What could TPTB have to gain from separating the TV and Film canon aside from catering to some rich old Geezer's ego? I think at the end of the day they'll have to buy Ike out or something.

Feige clearly doesn't mind the films and tv side being connected, he literally said the films and series crossing over is inevitable just the other day while promoting Ant-man, hard to believe any of this noise is coming from his camp.
 
At least Rich Johnston provided that it was just rumblings in a bar... Understand confidentiality is key so that person doesn't get in trouble. I hope it's not true but if it is, we will probably just get another 2nd season of Luke Cage I'm guessing.

These quick debunkings provide reassurance but in the end things could go either way true or not until things get going on the production end. While I never read the Iron Fist comics, I did do a bit of digging after the Daredevil show (Madame Gao being from the very far East) and think secret cities are quite interesting (perhaps even the full 7 if more than enough scifi explanation can be added to the show to work with this). It would expand on the Daredevil show nicely working in a different direction; the connection between the chemicals on the truck and that splashed on Matt Murdock (and perhaps Stick?) is an interesting connection I hope is explored as well.
 
I guess Marvel is lucky they've already made an Iron Man film or else that would be the next property starting with an I that would be rumored to be in trouble. However, Marvel is definitely moving forward on an Illuminati film ;)
 
Look obviously this show is not going to have a shoestring budget if it gets made. It just wouldn't be an MCU movie budget. Most of it would also be set in New York anyway. The whole thing doesn't have to be shot in K'un L'un. You would also think you can do K'un L'un on sound stages.

Also the Carrie-Anne Moss thing...look, it's hard to get excited about that she's playing a character connected to Iron Fist. In the long run, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Case in point, Madame Masque is going to be a villain on Agent Carter, who will never in fact meet or beguile Tony Stark. That means we are never going to see Masque in the modern MCU causing trouble for Stark/Iron Man. Also, they've gender-swapped Moss' character. In other words, all bets are off.

Now obviously, I am not sure about the truth of the Bleeding Cool rumors. But I am however nervous that it seems everything has been lined up for Marvel on Netflix except Iron Fist. We have no lead actor. No writer or showrunners. You would think they would at least have that by now. I wonder what the hold-up is. I am a little concerned. You think they would at least have a showrunner by now.

My other problem is that Marvel Studios needs to really start embracing the mystical and fantasy qualities of Marvel. Not every aspect can be hard gritty no super-powers etc. I mean, yeah, you want dark and gritty for these shows, but there are still supernatural and fantastical elements. Just because they are there doesn't have to mean they are stupid. We have a talking raccoon and a giant anthropomorphic tree in Guardians of the Galaxy. Why can't Iron Fist have a hidden city in Asia and a master martial artist with super falcon punch powers?
 
TheVileOne said:
Look obviously this show is not going to have a shoestring budget if it gets made. It just wouldn't be an MCU movie budget. Most of it would also be set in New York anyway. The whole thing doesn't have to be shot in K'un L'un. You would also think you can do K'un L'un on sound stages.

Also the Carrie-Anne Moss thing...look, it's hard to get excited about that she's playing a character connected to Iron Fist. In the long run, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Case in point, Madame Masque is going to be a villain on Agent Carter, who will never in fact meet or beguile Tony Stark. That means we are never going to see Masque in the modern MCU causing trouble for Stark/Iron Man. Also, they've gender-swapped Moss' character. In other words, all bets are off.

Now obviously, I am not sure about the truth of the Bleeding Cool rumors. But I am however nervous that it seems everything has been lined up for Marvel on Netflix except Iron Fist. We have no lead actor. No writer or showrunners. You would think they would at least have that by now. I wonder what the hold-up is. I am a little concerned. You think they would at least have a showrunner by now.

My other problem is that Marvel Studios needs to really start embracing the mystical and fantasy qualities of Marvel. Not every aspect can be hard gritty no super-powers etc. I mean, yeah, you want dark and gritty for these shows, but there are still supernatural and fantastical elements. Just because they are there doesn't have to mean they are stupid. We have a talking raccoon and a giant anthropomorphic tree in Guardians of the Galaxy. Why can't Iron Fist have a hidden city in Asia and a master martial artist with super falcon punch powers?
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And why can't most of the flashback scenes take place in a warehouse? Kun'Lun doesn't need to look majestic all the time. Look at how a lot of fantasy and period piece shows build sets and then reuse them for more than just one season. it would be like that.

I think the main concern here is Shou Lao. How do you do a big CGI dragon on the cheap?
 
Considering The Flash did a CGI ape very well, that shouldn't be a problem.
 
Dasher10 said:
And why can't most of the flashback scenes take place in a warehouse? Kun'Lun doesn't need to look majestic all the time. Look at how a lot of fantasy and period piece shows build sets and then reuse them for more than just one season. it would be like that.

I think the main concern here is Shou Lao. How do you do a big CGI dragon on the cheap?
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Sleepy Hollow has some pretty good CG for a TV show. But I think part of what they do is shoot it all very tight. You don't always get good views of the monsters. It's very tight, obscured and close-up.

I guess it just depends how much they want to know in the first season. We don't technically have to see Shao Lao in season 1.

Heck for all we know, Bullseye might not even be in season 2 of Daredevil.
 
BC is a bunch of BS. Marvel ain't scrapping Inhumans of Iron Fist.

Iron Fist can quite a level of anticipation and fanbase that's why Marvel is a bit careful on the project.

El Maybe debunked it as well. (If you believe him)

https://***********/elmayimbe/status/653381290788392960
 
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Thought I don't think they cancelled it, I'd trust Bleeding Cool way more than I would Eh Maybe.
 
Darkraid said:
BC is a bunch of BS. Marvel ain't scrapping Inhumans of Iron Fist.

Iron Fist can quite a level of anticipation and fanbase that's why Marvel is a bit careful on the project.

El Maybe debunked it as well. (If you believe him)

https://***********/elmayimbe/status/653381290788392960
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That's not really a debunk IMHO. To me there has to be actual evidence beyond someone else claiming, well my sources say this.
 
Maybe it's just that marvel is changing tact? Considering going with a movie rather than a Tv series. It makes sense. It's easier to film a movie in China than an American tv series with a tight budget. Plus it's easier to find directors who make martial arts movies than martial arts to shows.
 
You see that doesn't make sense. Because they are moving forward with Luke Cage, and that character has a strong connection with Iron Fist. They've been best friends and a crime fighting duo before, Heroes for Hire, Avengers members, etc. Also, either way a movie is going to be way more expensive. Have to pay all that P&A money. Plus Iron Fist was part of the Netflix deal and budget. So they would probably have to re-write contracts and deals to suddenly change shifts.

I mean to me it makes no sense to move forward with a movie. They spent years trying to get an Iron Fist movie off the ground and it didn't happen. Why turn Iron Fist into a movie instead of Daredevil? The point is, these shows are about the New York street level heroes. The Avengers are the big picture, globe trotting heroes. THe Netflix heroes are the street level ones dealing with stuff in New York and Hell's Kitchen. That's typically where Iron Fist resides. That's where Rand Industries is headquartered, et al.
 
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