Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[McSir]

If we're lucky they could pull of Game of Thrones. Can anyone think of a recent live-action movie with a dragon in it?

Almost certainly not. At least, it wouldn't look better and they'd have less flexibility.

Interesting. For some reason I assumed that using a puppet would require less money than extensive CGI work.

The Hobbit had a dragon. Looked pretty good too, at least I thought. It's about on par with GoT dragons for as little as they're on screen.

I think it's also worth noting that creating a realistic dragon isn't possible, both because dragons aren't real and the human eye isn't easily fooled. What's the per-episode budget Iron Fist has, do we know? I think GoT has something like $4 million per episode (can't source that, just a number I heard.)

 

[Webhead2006]

Really what do we need to see from kun lun. Tibetan buildings on a snowy mountain side. That isn't to hard to pull off. Really if we see rand fight and defeat dragon for fist powers dragon likely be the hardest thing to do visually. The city less likely in my book.

As for budget per episode I don't recall what dd or jj is. But in both their shows didn't have that crazy of effects and what not. So I would say 2 to 4 mill is around what they likely have per episode. Plus or minus any extra costs for things. So that would likely be like 40 to 45 mill per series marvel is spending. Which is way less then what shield likely costs per season. And way less then on average films ie getting around 140mill. Again it's all about how well money can be used, pratical vs sfx and other little things. We don't even know.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think they can hide a lot of it in stylized flashbacks - little 30 second glimpses and things like that (think Thor in Asgard in AoU). That's a good way to stretch a budget to show something without breaking the bank. It's basically the Jaws philosophy of keeping things mysterious.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya there is plently of ways they can fake things and keep things hidden so they don't blow there budget on one effects shot. And really we likely would only need one or two establishing shots of kun lun. Then it likely be reused over and over. Then build or go to some tibetan monastery like place and so forth.

Again the thing thst likely be the hardest thing counting on amount of time seen is the dragon. Though they could always change it being a actual dragon to maybe a guy who has a human form and his chi or spirit form is of a dragon that kind of ghostly image type deal be cheaper to pull off then full on dragon. But to we know how magical side of things be shown first with dr. Strange we don't know how full on they likely portray magical stuff in mcu.

 

[Silvermoth]

Really what do we need to see from kun lun. Tibetan buildings on a snowy mountain side. That isn't to hard to pull off. Really if we see rand fight and defeat dragon for fist powers dragon likely be the hardest thing to do visually. The city less likely in my book.

As for budget per episode I don't recall what dd or jj is. But in both their shows didn't have that crazy of effects and what not. So I would say 2 to 4 mill is around what they likely have per episode. Plus or minus any extra costs for things. So that would likely be like 40 to 45 mill per series marvel is spending. Which is way less then what shield likely costs per season. And way less then on average films ie getting around 140mill. Again it's all about how well money can be used, pratical vs sfx and other little things. We don't even know.

Agreed. That genghis khan series had some great locations so they're probably already ready in that regard.

Shou-Lou is going to be what everyone talks about though. He's going to kick off so many memes, I swear.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Really what do we need to see from kun lun. Tibetan buildings on a snowy mountain side. That isn't to hard to pull off. Really if we see rand fight and defeat dragon for fist powers dragon likely be the hardest thing to do visually. The city less likely in my book.

As for budget per episode I don't recall what dd or jj is. But in both their shows didn't have that crazy of effects and what not. So I would say 2 to 4 mill is around what they likely have per episode. Plus or minus any extra costs for things. So that would likely be like 40 to 45 mill per series marvel is spending. Which is way less then what shield likely costs per season. And way less then on average films ie getting around 140mill. Again it's all about how well money can be used, pratical vs sfx and other little things. We don't even know.

Some estimates have each episode has an average of $3.3 Million spent, but keep in mind its only an educated guess based on how many episodes are in the show and how much Marvel is spending (which has gone up since Daredevil is getting a season 2. )

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya that seems like a right amount.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Really what do we need to see from kun lun. Tibetan buildings on a snowy mountain side. That isn't to hard to pull off.

I would hope they'd put a little more thought into it than that.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well really again what is the things we need to really see. And watch we likely end up only seeing the city maybe 2 or 3 times in the season. So really we just need some establishing tibetan temples in the hills. Then rest of time likely to take place inside buildings and what not.

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, I think its the dragon that is the big deal. The show doesn't *need* big fancy Kun Lun panoramas, and there are ways to fake around that. But they really do need to show Danny beating Shao-Lao the Undying.

Unrelated, while I doubt it will happen, it would be awesome if Marvel poached some of the choreographers from the show Into The Badlands. The plot is poorly written nonsense, but the fight scenes are *incredible*.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Shots of K'un Lun skyline, background shots, etc shouldn't be an issue at all, most shows do that stuff as a matter of course these days with no one the wiser. I'm not saying it has to be super fancy like Asgard or anything but I'd rather it not be completely mundane. It's supposed to be a mythical lost city.

Agreed about Shao-Lao though, that's a tricky one and some of the f/x in Jessica Jones didn't exactly ease my mind about it. I suppose they have a plan.

 

[Webhead2006]

It's now pretty much a waiting game to we get any details. Again we likely will only see danny and have episode based in there 2 or so times. Probably once or twice as flashbacks when rand was a kid and late teens. Then probably a present day episode. If they keep the kun lun time open to earth as comics.

 

[metaphysician]

"Cory"?

 

[3dman27]

"Cory"?

I think he means "Danny"

 

[Webhead2006]

ya sorry stupid auto correct changed it and i didnt even notice to now.

 

[TheVileOne]

Regarding the budgets. The deal was for $200 million for 60 episodes of TV, including Iron Fist. That comes out to be about $3.33 million per episode, give or take.

 

[BatsDC]

Shou-Lao could be possible. Game of Thrones manage fairly good CG dragons, and you'd only need him for the one episode. I wouldn't be surprised if some more money has been allocated for the shows given Daredevil's success.

That said... I'd be surprised if they did it. Given the gritty semi-realistic world theyre building, Danny fighting a giant dragon may not fit the established aesthetic. But who knows.

I suppose they could adapt it somehow... Have the dragons tomb with the heart, but have the dragon already be dead. But his heart still holds the power or something. I'd be surprised if they dropped it entirely, but at the same time I don't know how likely them attempting a full on fight with a CG dragon is

In the end I imagine it'll be down to money and whether it fits the tone, with the former being the deciding factor. They'd be stupid to attempt it but then half-ass it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah but Game of Thrones probably has a higher budget than this show does.

 

[BatsDC]

Game of Thrones averages around $6 million per episode apparently. That's about double what Iron Fist will have assuming the budget hasn't been altered since the successes of Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also Game of Thrones probably also gets some nice tax breaks and discounts shooting overseas. Good chunks of Iron Fist, while likely could be shot overseas, will also likely be shot in New York City, which is more expensive.

 

[McSir]

Shou-Lao could be possible. Game of Thrones manage fairly good CG dragons, and you'd only need him for the one episode. I wouldn't be surprised if some more money has been allocated for the shows given Daredevil's success.

That said... I'd be surprised if they did it. Given the gritty semi-realistic world theyre building, Danny fighting a giant dragon may not fit the established aesthetic. But who knows.

I suppose they could adapt it somehow... Have the dragons tomb with the heart, but have the dragon already be dead. But his heart still holds the power or something. I'd be surprised if they dropped it entirely, but at the same time I don't know how likely them attempting a full on fight with a CG dragon is

In the end I imagine it'll be down to money and whether it fits the tone, with the former being the deciding factor. They'd be stupid to attempt it but then half-ass it.

That would make Danny's journey to becoming the Iron Fist very, very easy though. I'd really rather they just do something different if they really can't make the dragon work.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's just hard to see them going far with that angle, but I hope they do.

Even in Daredevil, they were so vague about what The Hand wanted and what Black Sky was.

 

[Webhead2006]

Again dragon thing be a one time deal. Just like seeing the city we likely just have a few establishing shots then any other time we are on sets or inside a building there so budget can be saved there. Again I bet we only see kun lun like twice. Once in a flashback. Then if they keep city appears to earth realm very so many yrs. At some point in season it time is coming and so forth.

I still feel if they didn't do full on dragon they turn the dragon character into a human. Who has a chi sport that is a dragon so it's a spirit thing which would be easier and cheaper then a physical dragon.

 

[chamber-music]

All these Netflix shows have been very grounded. I'm not sure they will have a giant CGI dragon.

 

[Webhead2006]

Who's to say I doubt they fully cut off all the mystic aspects to danny. Just cause we haven't seen it yet. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Dd, jj, cage are more grounded characters. Hell we haven't even seen full on magic yet. To we see strange this time next yr. So once we see what mcu is doing magic wise for strange should make doing danny work better in mcu light.