Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Gamma Goliath]

I wouldn't mind if they turned the dragon and the heart of the dragon into a very clever metaphore.

 

[Endeavor]

Is it a coincidence that IF will be the Netflix show that follows Dr Strange's debut in the MCU? Maybe. But it will certainly help embracing the mystic side of the universe that much easier, since the Dr's film will have introduced the concept.

 

[BarryAllen]

All these Netflix shows have been very grounded. I'm not sure they will have a giant CGI dragon.

People forget that when Iron Fist was created, he was a pretty grounded, street-level character, outside of the whole K'un-L'un thing. Look at the Marvel Premiere and the Power Man/Iron Fist stuff. He was a street-level character. I'm sure Marvel will find a way to balance both mysticism and grounded reality.

But if people are expecting the Seven Cities of Heaven or the Immortal Weapons right now, they're just setting themselves up for dissappoinment. I'm sure Marvel will be taking tonal inspiration from the Brubaker run, but content wise from earlier stuff. Let's just say he'll be spending more time with Misty and Colleen rather than Dog Brother #1 or Fat Cobra.

It's just hard to see them going far with that angle, but I hope they do.

Even in Daredevil, they were so vague about what The Hand wanted and what Black Sky was.

Obviously, because a)they weren't the main focus of the season and b)Marvel wanted to keep them mysterious for now because they'll have a presence down the line.

Anyways, I broke down some of the clues about the Hand and Black Sky a while ago in the Defenders thread, and I'll repost it here. Essentially, they're setting up for an MCU version of Shadowland.


-Nobu is strongly hinted at being part of the Hand (not to mention his name is similar to Hand member Kagenobu Yoshioka, which I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Marvel shortened it to prevent people from figuring it out )

-Stick mentions an upcoming war to Stone. Clearly setting up the Chaste's conflict with the Hand

-Black Sky is key here. Black Sky was shown as a young boy whom Nobu has shipped to HK. He was deemed him as a weapon of sorts. We saw that the boy was chained to the inside of the crate. Judging from the eerie supernatural vibe the child gave off; I’ve surmised that he had demonic connections. “Shadowland” deals with not only Matt controlling The Hand, but also being possessed by the demonic Beast of The Hand. This ties into if Murdock will “be ready when the gate opens”, due to the fact that the gates are probably opening for The Beast. (Not to mention Nobu tells Fisk another Black Sky is hard to get, and Stick mentions that Black Sky is not just a mere child).

-In “Shadowland”, The Hand schemes include seizing a part of the Hells’ Kitchen. In season one of Daredevil, Nobu can be seen discussing the control of numerous properties and land with Wilson Fisk. One of the blueprints include:

The words on the map translate to Black Sky. Just like in the comics, the Hand are seeking land in New York.

-The Hand is a ninja order who have dark connections and seek to spread their darkness across the world. Having a black sky is the cause of darkness.

Now, looking to the future (how do the upcoming series feed into Shadowland):
Marvel is keeping things small with the Defenders in terms of the area they use. Elektra is being introduced and she has ties to the Hand. Iron Fist is all about Chinese martial arts, but I am sure the K'un-L'un will have an awareness about the Hand. Colleen Wing has ties to the Hand as her own mother was part of the Hand subgroup of female warriors called the Nail. Her father Lee Wing is a professor of oriental studies, so he should have some slight knowledge of a shadowy ninja organization. Most likely both of those characters will pop up in Iron Fist's series. And lastly, Shadowland was the big street-level event. It will take Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist to team up to take on the Hand as well as help from their allies like Punisher, Elektra, and hopefully Misty Knight and Colleen Wing.

 

[TheVileOne]

People forget that when Iron Fist was created, he was a pretty grounded, street-level character, outside of the whole K'un-L'un thing. Look at the Marvel Premiere and the Power Man/Iron Fist stuff. He was a street-level character. I'm sure Marvel will find a way to balance both mysticism and grounded reality.

But if people are expecting the Seven Cities of Heaven or the Immortal Weapons right now, they're just setting themselves up for dissappoinment. I'm sure Marvel will be taking tonal inspiration from the Brubaker run, but content wise from earlier stuff. Let's just say he'll be spending more time with Misty and Colleen rather than Dog Brother #1 or Fat Cobra.

I'm not expecting Seven Cities of Heaven or the Immortal Weapons. However, I would like it for them not to jettison all the K'un L'un and Shao Lao stuff entirely. Also the costume. He needs a costume and mask.

 

[3dman27]

i'm not expecting seven cities of heaven or the immortal weapons. However, i would like it for them not to jettison all the k'un l'un and shao lao stuff entirely. Also the costume. He needs a costume and mask.

amen

 

[Webhead2006]

That's the trouble since we don't know how magic and mystical stuff going to be in mcu uet. As they haven't tapped intonit. We as fans don't really know how grounded or more comicbooky, they will actually take things.

Now yes the mcu have change things around or merged some characters intonone. And other little things. But the essence to characters and their backstory have been pretty close to what they should be. And since we see aliens, and the other realm beings really a dragon isn't that for from the norm to do. Again it's all about what they logically can pull off with the budget they have and work for story and what not. Plus again this isn't like got or other shows with fantasy beasts running around in every episode. It likely be 1 episode only and what maybe 2 scenes that be like less then 3 or 4 mins long.

So who's to say a real cgi physical dragon, or a cgi chi spirit take on dragon is not doable. We don't know a lock of what they are planning yet.

 

[Lilbaz]

That's the trouble since we don't know how magic and mystical stuff going to be in mcu uet. As they haven't tapped intonit. We as fans don't really know how grounded or more comicbooky, they will actually take things.

Now yes the mcu have change things around or merged some characters intonone. And other little things. But the essence to characters and their backstory have been pretty close to what they should be. And since we see aliens, and the other realm beings really a dragon isn't that for from the norm to do. Again it's all about what they logically can pull off with the budget they have and work for story and what not. Plus again this isn't like got or other shows with fantasy beasts running around in every episode. It likely be 1 episode only and what maybe 2 scenes that be like less then 3 or 4 mins long.

So who's to say a real cgi physical dragon, or a cgi chi spirit take on dragon is not doable. We don't know a lock of what they are planning yet.

They can always change it to a sort of dream sequence. Leave it vague to whether what he experienced was real or not.

 

[metaphysician]

Game of Thrones averages around $6 million per episode apparently. That's about double what Iron Fist will have assuming the budget hasn't been altered since the successes of Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

OTOH, Game of Thrones has to spend a *lot* more on sets and costuming, since it can't readily crib off the real world. So. . . who knows?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't really have an opinion on how it should be presented. I do hope his origin remains largely intact from the comics (specifically the retelling by Busiek around PM&IF #95-100)

 

[Webhead2006]

that would be a major cop out on the backstory for danny if everything he did in kun lun was just a dream and not real i dont see them doing that.

 

[McSir]

that would be a major cop out on the backstory for danny if everything he did in kun lun was just a dream and not real i dont see them doing that.

Agreed. Iron Fist NEEDS the mysticism. The magic city, the dragon, the Immortal Weapons, all of it. Without them he's just a peppier version of Daredevil.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hopefully they don't adapt Christopher Priest's/Jim Owsley's Death of Iron Fist story. Or rather...how Jim Byrne resolved it

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Daredevil with wee slippers

 

[3dman27]

Agreed. Iron Fist NEEDS the mysticism. The magic city, the dragon, the Immortal Weapons, all of it. Without them he's just a peppier version of Daredevil.

seconded

 

[Webhead2006]

ya and marvel has yet to really crap out on a character story. Again no reason to think that just cause the others so far only been grounded its to their characters. Danny and the character needs the magic angle to him and no reason it wont. More so with by the time we likely see the show late 2017 we will already have strange out and how marvel will handle magic things be clearer.

 

[BarryAllen]

I'm not expecting Seven Cities of Heaven or the Immortal Weapons. However, I would like it for them not to jettison all the K'un L'un and Shao Lao stuff entirely. Also the costume. He needs a costume and mask.

I'm not saying you're expecting the Seven Cities of Heaven or the Immortal Weapons or what not, but there are a lot of people on this thread with extremely outrageous expectations, and they're obviously going to be dissappointed.

But K'un-L'un isn't hard to pull off. If you've seen AOS, they managed to pull off an small community called Afterlife that looked decent with what budget they had. I'm sure they can do way better with the Netflix stuff. They have VFX companies like ILM that helped them with Agent Carter and other EFX companies that worked on Daredevil, and I'm sure can help them with Iron Fist. If not, I'm sure they can build sets or shoot on location somewhere. Even the costume can be pulled off. Daredevil's suit for the majority of the season was a black Iron Fist suit.

That can easily be pulled off on a TV budget. The only main thing that is of concern is Shao Lao. Seeing how Jessica Jones even copped out of showing us the car crash that gave her powers, I'm not sure about an entire dragon. Maybe they'll have a increased budget for Iron Fist? After all, Daredevil is getting a second season even though that wasn't the intial plan.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally I have no worries for fist suit. We seem mask already with dd first suit easy to do. And just toss in the green and gold or the white and gold like dd first suit and what not we good. I just expect him to have full boots then those silly footie shoes.

 

[Silvermoth]

Agreed. Iron Fist NEEDS the mysticism. The magic city, the dragon, the Immortal Weapons, all of it. Without them he's just a peppier version of Daredevil.

I agree but I have a feeling iron fist may not have the budget for that, at least for the first season.

Maybe the earlier suggestion that it might begin with everyone thinking Danny is crazy for believing in k'un lun and shou Lou etc but eventually the final reveal is that it's all true?

 

[Webhead2006]

Oh come on really the budget reason is not the issue. It's more what is the story we need to yell. And again dragon thing would be a one time thing. And the city all we need is some establishing tibetan city in the mountains and then some tibetan building sets. That is so easy. Like aos did for afterlife.

Dragon is the harder thing. But come on we got aliens and armored suit guys running around on mcu now. A dragon is nothing. More so there is ways to do dragon both pratical and with cgi even on a smaller budget. And really we wouldn't need a dragon for 52 mins of an episode. At most if we see the fight with dragon and him getting powers which is a given. It likely be 2 to 3 min squence.

 

[McSir]

I agree but I have a feeling iron fist may not have the budget for that, at least for the first season.

Maybe the earlier suggestion that it might begin with everyone thinking Danny is crazy for believing in k'un lun and shou Lou etc but eventually the final reveal is that it's all true?

I think K'un Lun and the dragon need some presence in the first season. It's his origin, arguably the most interesting thing about him.

The Seven Cities of Heaven and Immortal Weapons can be saved if Iron Fist gets renewed.

 

[Web-Head]

Iron Fist showrunner is Scott Buck http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/marvel-netflixs-iron-fist-lands-scott-buck-as-showrunner/

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

Iron Fist showrunner is Scott Buck http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/marvel-netflixs-iron-fist-lands-scott-buck-as-showrunner/

 

[jokesonm3]

There's a synopsis too:

"Returning to New York City after being missing for years, Daniel Rand fights against the criminal element corrupting New York City with his incredible kung-fu mastery and ability to summon the awesome power of the fiery Iron Fist."

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/marvel-netflixs-iron-fist-lands-scott-buck-as-showrunner/

And i gotta say, after seeing Daredevils fight choreography i am freaking stoked for this film!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Iron Fist showrunner is Scott Buck http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/marvel-netflixs-iron-fist-lands-scott-buck-as-showrunner/

I thought this got canceled into a movie

 

[First Avenger]

Wonder how that idiot from bleeding cool reacted.