Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[DarthSkywalker]

Anyway Darth, I'm not really saying you are wrong. But watch the show and decide for yourself. I think it does genuinely get better later, and it's good enough that I'm definitely tuning in for the rest of the season. I just wish we could've gotten a showrunner who would've embraced the costume and some other elements and not been Scott Buck.

Oh, I am going to watch it. I am just bothered that what is being said is what I kind of feared from the latest trailer. The guy has a glowing fist already, why hold back?

 

[flickchick85]

I wonder if their hesitation to commit to the more Iron Fist-y fantastical tone comes from the fact that Defenders will likely be very much in line tonally with the 1st 3 shows, and they were trying to avoid tonal whiplash and keep expectations for Defenders in check with the viewers.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Well, once it was clear that the embargo wouldn't be lifted until today, I feared that tptb knew that critics wouldn't respond positively to the early episodes. I mean, we started getting Luke Cage reviews about 3 weeks before the show premiered. So I assumed we'd see the same for IF. The fact that we didn't wasn't a good sign and now, it seems to have been confirmed as such. I'm a little confused though because Marvel hiring SB for Inhumans looked like a sign that they were pleased with his work on IF. Maybe they are but it's looking rather baffling right now.

The most disappointing thing I'm reading so far is how some critics are ripping Finn apart. Like, I find it hard to believe he's really that bad? lol I like what I've seen of him in the promos and trailers. I can't help but think some of these critics went in with a bias, determined to hate the show and that's exactly how a few of the reviews read.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wonder if their hesitation to commit to the more Iron Fist-y fantastical tone comes from the fact that Defenders will likely be very much in line tonally with the 1st 3 shows, and they were trying to avoid tonal whiplash and keep expectations for Defenders in check with the viewers.

I think that is a huge part of it. We saw tons of articles saying Marvel was struggling to make the 2 elements work and they were not able to find a pitch they liked for a long time, and that hints at this very thing to me.

 

[Best]

Tbh Finn's line delivery has had me worried since the first trailer. I've seen the word "awkward" thrown around (although I'm not sure if that was strictly on his performance)... I have to agree.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Tbh Finn's line delivery has had me worried since the first trailer. I've seen the word "awkward" thrown around (although I'm not sure if that was strictly on his performance)... I have to agree.

I didn't see any problem with his line delivery. His accent seemed a little off at times but I didn't see any issues with his acting. Though honestly, the only lead actor on the Netflix shows who's close to being flawless to me is Charlie Cox. Both Krysten and Mike had their awkward moments to me and Mike overall doesn't make for the most charismatic leading man. I guess that's why I'm having a hard time with some of the critiques of Finn. I think much of it has to do with the fact that a lot people are going into it with a bias because there was so much talk about casting and whether or not marvel should cast an Asian actor. A couple of the critics even mentioned that in their reviews.

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO, Finn Jones and his performance aren't really the show's problem. I generally like Finn as Danny. It's just his writing and Scott Buck.

 

[chamber-music]

I find it odd you would make Iron Fist show and not embrace the fantasy elements.

Luke Cage embraced it's blaxploitation routes.

It comes from the underrepresentation thing I mentioned awhile back. There isn't much in the way of a heroic Asian lead in the media. Marvel is getting better, considering the Inhumans show hired two Asian men and one black man as part of their main cast.

And I'd hesitate to call anyone racist or any other name.

Heroic Asian leads aren't underrepresented in the media as a whole. It isn't like Asian cinema doesn't exist. I think that is a important distinction to make.

Asian Americans aren't given enough opportunities to be leads in American media so I understand why they are frustrated to not see people that look like them having stories that to relate to their lives in America but the whole 'no Asians are portrayed as heroes in the media thing is untrue'.

 

[RaidenX]

IMHO, Finn Jones and his performance aren't really the show's problem. I generally like Finn as Danny. It's just his writing and Scott Buck.

Is hallway fight happening in the first six episodes?

How maby fight scenes where overall

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not terribly shocked by these reviews. As time has gone on I got iffy vibes from the show. Of course I'll try it out and judge for myself.

Had no idea that the last few seasons show runner from Dexter was in charge. That's not a good omen.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm seriously concerned about Inumans now. Not sure how Buck was handed these two huge shows right off the bat at Marvel.

Anyway, here's my spoiler-free official review of the first six episodes:

Iron Fist Season 1 (Episodes 1-6) Review

Honestly, your review was somehow the most encouraging review. The fact that the back half hasn't been seen yet is one sign of hope if it does pick up as it goes on. Plus, it seems like it might be more underwhelming than bad.

I'm concerned here we won't ever get a proper Iron Fist and ever get to see him suit up. Scott Buck already confirmed he won't suit up this season.

That's a concern I have. I don't think they'll want to put the costume in Defenders (although I wish they will since Matt seems overdressed). We don't know if there's going to be an Iron Fist season two if the reactions are poor. That makes the costume very difficult to come by. I've said before I have very modest ambitions for a costume, but the mask is the one essential thing we need.

I find it odd you would make Iron Fist show and not embrace the fantasy elements.

Luke Cage embraced it's blaxploitation routes.

Honestly, that's not quite the right analogy. The analogy to blaxploitation roots is martial arts film roots. That's what Marvel was going for at the time.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well even martial arts films have some fantastical elements or characters and people wearing colourful costumes. Some of these aren't even costumes but just kung fu clothing or ceremonial gear. Why couldn't Iron Fist even be wearing that?

And ninjas wear masks. Is that fantastical? What's wrong with Iron Fist wearing one, especially when it was so easy to just reuse Daredevil's proto mask from season 1 but colour it yellow?

Scott Buck must really lack imagination if he can't even manage to make the equivalent of the most basic costume of DD's work for his own show. It's almost like the people on DD and on IF are on opposite ends of the scale. For DD, it's like they were barely even trying and managed to scrape up some crude proto costume. For IF, they tried endlessly and couldn't figure out how to make DD's proto costume work.

Maybe get the DD season 1 show runner or crew if they're having such problems???

 

[Best]

Is this the first MCU property in awhile to get such direct-scathing reviews? They've all gotten their share but with this one, it's the first thing you see in the headlines.

 

[BatsDC]

The consensus seems to be it's average, and therefore underwhelming compared to the other shows, as opposed to being bad. Shame they're not embracing the fantasy elements. Why attempt Iron Fist if you're not going to embrace the concept?

 

[Brian Braddock]

Well even martial arts films have some fantastical elements or characters and people wearing colourful costumes. Some of these aren't even costumes but just kung fu clothing or ceremonial gear. Why couldn't Iron Fist even be wearing that?

And ninjas wear masks. Is that fantastical? What's wrong with Iron Fist wearing one, especially when it was so easy to just reuse Daredevil's proto mask from season 1 but colour it yellow?

Scott Buck must really lack imagination if he can't even manage to make the equivalent of the most basic costume of DD's work for his own show. It's almost like the people on DD and on IF are on opposite ends of the scale. For DD, it's like they were barely even trying and managed to scrape up some crude proto costume. For IF, they tried endlessly and couldn't figure out how to make DD's proto costume work.

Maybe get the DD season 1 show runner or crew if they're having such problems???

I've just posted this in the costume thread but it seems equally as relevant here:-

Remember the dark days when Hollywood was ashamed of featuring some of the more fantastical elements in comicbook movie/tv adaptions as there was a perception that they were 'hokey'?

We all thought that attitude was a thing of the past but it seems that Scott Buck et al seem to be of that school of thought.

From what I've read by all accounts there's been so much of a watering-down of many IF aspects that they have nearly avoided all of the cool IF stuff that we wanted to see in the first place. Yes, Scott Buck should take the lions share of the blame but Marvel/Netflix need to take a look at themselves for allowing all this to happen.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Why attempt Iron Fist if you're not going to embrace the concept?

Exactly.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've just posted this in the costume thread but it seems equally as relevant here:-



From what I've read by all accounts there's been so much of a watering-down of many IF aspects that they have nearly avoided all of the cool IF stuff that we wanted to see in the first place. Yes, Scott Buck should take the lions share of the blame but Marvel/Netflix need to take a look at themselves for allowing all this to happen.

Scott Buck should've even dumped the "iron" aspect of his fist. He should've just been called "Hard Fist" or "Generic Puncher".

 

[3dman27]

Well even martial arts films have some fantastical elements or characters and people wearing colourful costumes. Some of these aren't even costumes but just kung fu clothing or ceremonial gear. Why couldn't Iron Fist even be wearing that?

And ninjas wear masks. Is that fantastical? What's wrong with Iron Fist wearing one, especially when it was so easy to just reuse Daredevil's proto mask from season 1 but colour it yellow?

Scott Buck must really lack imagination if he can't even manage to make the equivalent of the most basic costume of DD's work for his own show. It's almost like the people on DD and on IF are on opposite ends of the scale. For DD, it's like they were barely even trying and managed to scrape up some crude proto costume. For IF, they tried endlessly and couldn't figure out how to make DD's proto costume work.

Maybe get the DD season 1 show runner or crew if they're having such problems???

what is realistic about super heroes to begin with ?

 

[Brian Braddock]

Scott Buck should've even dumped the "iron" aspect of his fist. He should've just been called "Hard Fist" or "Generic Puncher".

''Tin-Fist''

 

[AlluAllu]

I just read Hollywood reporter's review. They were not kind. Reading the reviews, it's now probable that I wont like it much either. Shame. Iron Fist has potential to be zany and great.

 

[Dark Raven]

If the reviews are this bad, they probably won't even get a 2nd season to remedy any of the mistakes of the first or to even give him a costume.

All of these so-called "assurances" to wait until the 2nd season when he's earned the right to wear a costume would be completely in vain, because he wouldn't even have that chance.

As I've said before, if this show is missing all the familiar fantastical elements that set it apart as Iron Fist and not just as any other show, then this is simply a generic martial arts drama that we've seen hundreds of times before. And even aside from the martial arts, his background and journey of "billionaire comes back from having been missing" is something we've just seen with Oliver Queen in Arrow. All that's happened here is that the names are changed but everything else is the same. No wonder this could be such a snooze fest.

 

[chamber-music]

The marital arts roots involve Asian mysticism elements.

Iron Fist got his superpower fighting a dragon in a mystical city that disappears to another realm for ten years.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well we probably won't be getting that. That straight away sounds too fantastical. He probably just learned to channel his chi into his fist to give the appearance of it being like iron after studying under a teacher, like all other martial artists have done in previous martial arts films.

 

[Web-Head]

Well we probably won't be getting that. That straight away sounds too fantastical. He probably just learned to channel his chi into his fist to give the appearance of it being like iron after studying under a teacher, like all other martial artists have done in previous martial arts films.

That's not true. A review mentions Shou-Lao and Finn talked about it before.

 

[roach]

My biggest issue is from the trailer and the clip of Colleen Wing fighting is that the martial arts looks like crap. I think if you are doing a martial arts show then the choreography should be at Into The Badlands levels.