Iron Fist Iron Fist SEASON TWO Discussion Thread (NO SPOILER TAGS NECESSARY!)

[KevTravels]

what was the budget of this season compared to the first?

Please tell me that we see more of Misty in the seasons to come

and in the comics isn't she and Danny a thing?

 

[Tymminator]

If people can get into the character not suiting up and they can still enjoy the show, then that's fine for them, I ain't going to judge but at the same time if people can't see why that would bother some fans especially those that are into Iron Fist, I don't know what to tell you and I won't even bother.

I don't know when I'm going to check this out, but it will be awhile.

 

[Sundancer]

Costumes are symbolic, iconic and appealing. That's why Ditko got co-credit for Spiderman. All I wanted was for Danny to wear the yellow mask when he was using the fist. I geeked out seeing it in K'un Lun but not as a symbol of the Fist. I geeked again seeing the corpse.

I hate Colleen with the Fist because I have yet to get what I want with Danny Rand having it. His character felt so one-dimensional.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do feel like this move was rushed. It feels like, a season 4 or 5 move to me. Not something you do in season 2.

 

[Random490]

what was the budget of this season compared to the first?

Please tell me that we see more of Misty in the seasons to come

and in the comics isn't she and Danny a thing?

The budget is probably the same, but the management of it seems much better.

I believe she's in most of the episodes, not as a guest star but as a supporting character.

They are though there hasn't been any hints at romance in the show.

 

[KevTravels]

I mean going forward. I want her to stay on Luke Cage but also appear on this

 

[KevTravels]

btw did Danny and Colleen kiss at all this season?

 

[edwardc]

Wait a minute, i just finished episode 10,,, how does Danny have the iron fist.... 2 of them.. or is the power of the iron fist imbued in the guns he was using cause his hands lit up as well im confused.

I'm with you on that there is a lot of explaining to do here How and where did he get these powers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Daredevil Season 1 - 10/10
Daredevil Season 2 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 2 - 9/10
The Punisher Season 1 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 1 - 8.5/10
Iron Fist Season 2 - 8.5/10
The Defenders - 8/10
Jessica Jones Season 1 - 7.5/10
Iron Fist Season 1 - 6.5/10
Jessica Jones Season 2 - 4/10

I still haven't seen Luke Cage season 2, but if I were to rank them, I'd go:

1. Daredevil Season 2
2. The Punisher Season 1
3. Jessica Jones Season 1
4. Daredevil Season 1
5. Jessica Jones Season 2
6. Iron Fist Season 2
7. The Defenders
8. Luke Cage Season 1
9. Iron Fist Season 1

The top three are very close for me, and any could be #1. The drop off for me comes with the Defenders.

 

[Loki882]

I'd give Season 2 a 7/10 myself:

-Danny's still the weakest main character on his own show, but he's a lot better than he was in Season 1 (although not as good as he was in LC Season 2).
-Colleen continues to be awesome and I'm surprisingly ok with where they go with her at the end as she's more interesting than Danny anyway.
-Misty and Ward were good.
-Typhoid Mary was awesome and I so hope that we see more of her going forward (hopefully she pops up in Daredevil or even The Punisher at some point).
-The action/fight scenes were much improved.
-Etc.

Now for the downsides:

-Davos was kind of a meh baddie for me. Not awful, but nothing special either.
-I never bought Joy's heel turn at the end of Season 1, and it still doesn't work for me here despite their attempts to explain it.
-There were some pacing issues.
-Etc.

So an improvement to be sure, but not perfect.

 

[Sundancer]

btw did Danny and Colleen kiss at all this season?

Yes

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I do feel like this move was rushed. It feels like, a season 4 or 5 move to me. Not something you do in season 2.

This.

I don't have an issue with them handing the fist power to Colleen. You can do something with that. BUT... They've hardly defined Danny as a character or his role as Iron Fist. This really does feel like a move you make to shake things up in a later season... Not season two.

And can I say that the show is suffering from major DC/CWitis in that there's all this really forced conflict and drama that blows in and then blows out with little to show for anything. I mean... I liked the ending with the hinting at Orson but let's be clear at how the lead up was so poor and the payoff so head scratching. So they make a very big deal of Danny handing the Fist off, as they should, and now Danny feels he needs to know who he is before he even thinks about regaining the Fist... Only for us to see him with the Fist and now using it's powers in different ways minutes later.

It's like with the start of the season. I didn't like the corporate ownership story either but it took up a lot of space... Only for his position at Rand to be barely covered in season two because he's decided to be a furniture mover? WTF? So... There was no real payoff to the story that ate up the most oxygen in season one? I mean... It's not like they couldn't do something with him in charge of Rand now, could they?

Typhoid Mary is brought in and in all honestly she's there only because they needed a threat that could be in some way easily neutralized for a curve ball final moment of one episode. All this added up to conflicts and drama that were there for the sake of it.

 

[Guard82]

I thought this season was a big improvement over the first season. The pacing was much better and the scripts kept the story momentum going much better than last season. There was much less drag in the pacing and much more buildup of interest and excitement for me this time. The writers did a good job of making Danny more consistently likable and relatable this time around, just like they had done earlier this year with his great guest appearance in Luke Cage Season 2. Colleen once again was one of the highlights of the show, and she was a great character to follow throughout the season. Jessica Henwick is definitely one of the MVPs of this show, and she makes Colleen a delight.

This season also had much better villains than last season. Davos and Typhoid Mary were much better antagonists than any of the main villains from Season 1. Sacha Dhwan did a good job returning to the role of Davos and expanding on the character's past friendship with Danny as well as their rivalry. Meanwhile, Alice Eve was terrific in the role of Typhoid Mary, making the character formidable, sassy, unpredictable, and sometimes scary. They also did a good job of illustrating Mary's dissociative identity disorder and multiple personalities, and her more sympathetic side. Mary and Davos both had the right amount of menace and complexity.

The action was much improved from the first season, with some great fight scenes throughout. I loved Misty Knight's involvement and loved her team-ups with Colleen. Ward and Joy also showed significant improvement in their character development from the previous season. All in all, Iron Fist's second season kept me much more entertained and intrigued, and I had a lot of fun watching it.

 

[Hypestyle]

I enjoyed season two a lot more than season one. first season was a too-slow build up, this one seemingly gets right to the main events at hand and establishes a clear villain in Davos.
Oh and of course, we get Typhoid Mary... then again, we get Walker, and Mary, but i guess "Typhoid" really isn't seen on-screen.. hmm... (not sure what her epilogue was about, seems like she'd just take her money and split.. no pun intended..)

I liked the presence of all the supporting characters here- Misty (with her own iron fist! heh..) , Colleen (enjoyable as always)...
I liked the exploration of what having the Fist power means to Danny, and Davos, and.... (wow)...
Joy's heel-turn and evolution was intriguing to watch, and this time around Ward was more tolerable, though I was hoping his subplot wasn't going to overwhelm the main story.

and the ending! hmm, extremely intriguing!! I hope that a season three is green lit and this can get into more international action.

 

[jolldan]

I enjoyed season two a lot more than season one. first season was a too-slow build up, this one seemingly gets right to the main events at hand and establishes a clear villain in Davos.
Oh and of course, we get Typhoid Mary... then again, we get Walker, and Mary, but i guess "Typhoid" really isn't seen on-screen.. hmm... (not sure what her epilogue was about, seems like she'd just take her money and split.. no pun intended..)

I liked the presence of all the supporting characters here- Misty (with her own iron fist! heh..) , Colleen (enjoyable as always)...
I liked the exploration of what having the Fist power means to Danny, and Davos, and.... (wow)...
Joy's heel-turn and evolution was intriguing to watch, and this time around Ward was more tolerable, though I was hoping his subplot wasn't going to overwhelm the main story.

and the ending! hmm, extremely intriguing!! I hope that a season three is green lit and this can get into more international action.

Yes they need to go big next season Danny's travels taking him to China, Korea, Japan (I want to see a Samurai Iron Fist lol) obviously I know they will all be on set and wont actually be there but it would help distinguish Iron Fist from the other three Netflix shows to take him out of New York for a season.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

1. Daredevil S2 (9.5/10)
2. Daredevil S1 (9.5/10)
3. The Punisher S1 (9/10)
4. Jessica Jones S1 (9/10)
5. The Defenders (8.5/10)
6. Luke Cage S2 (8.5/10)
7. Luke Cage S1 (8.0/10)
8. Iron Fist S2 (8.0/10)
This show still suffers from a bit of haggard writing, some plot conveniences and various other nitpicks, but damn was this an improvement on S1. I think having Wing become Iron Fist was them putting their best foot forward, while the multi-fist thing and the weapon charging thing are a little confusing, but intriguing nonetheless.

I'd say it looks like we'll see Daughters of the Dragon before we see Heroes for Hire. I'm pretty okay with that. But at some point I think they might as well just merge IF, LC, and JJ. I think all three could stand to benefit from the consolidation of talent. Then we can maybe see some new blood on Netflix. Moon Knight? Blade?

9. Jessica Jones S2 (7.5/10)
10. Iron Fist S1 (6.5/10)

 

[MewMewTwo]

The fisrt season was ok, this season was good.
The show (and the other two but Daredevil) struggle with the low budget, specially here that they need to show more mystical stuff, but the story was good. The last few episodes were good and engaging, and season 3 could be great. The less episodes also did good for the show.

 

[KevTravels]

Yes

but no sex? damn

 

[KevTravels]

anyone know if Netflix has released the ratings or metrics for how many binged this season?

 

[Heretic]

Regarding Wing getting the Fist...honestly...I don't mind it (although I am generally opposed to having multiple characters with the same powers, and Danny clearly is getting a form of the power back). The thing is...this version of Danny Rand does not deserve the Fist. He is not even remotely what the Fist is supposed to be. This season felt like an apology for that. Ultimately, I think it might be a good idea to have Colleen represent the actual "nature" of the Fist...and then have Danny be the wild card version. I'm not sure that this is where they are heading, but at least the ending intrigued me (something the show failed to do in 2 whole seasons, minus that end)

 

[BoredGuy]

I just still don't get how Danny had more charm in 10 minutes of screentime on Luke Cage than in two whole seasons of his own show.

Like does Netflix/Marvel really think we want to watch a whiny little ***** for 10-13 hours?? They figured it out with the hulk, but apparently Danny just strikes the writers as a whiner

 

[Dark Raven]

I just still don't get how Danny had more charm in 10 minutes of screentime on Luke Cage than in two whole seasons of his own show.

Like does Netflix/Marvel really think we want to watch a whiny little ***** for 10-13 hours?? They figured it out with the hulk, but apparently Danny just strikes the writers as a whiner

Even though some people might have found him a bit wooden on Agents of SHIELD, I think someone like Luke Mitchell would've been better than Finn Jones as Danny Rand. He rocked the beard too, especially in Blindspot, but he was also much more charming and charismatic (again, especially in Blindspot). He also seems more like a traditional Danny Rand.

And I'm talking here about getting purely TV actors. Of course, if they wanted a more movie-quality actor, we'd be mentioning different names.

 

[BoredGuy]

Idk, I don't even think it's Jones
My point is the writers on LC seemed to nail his voice and give Jones decent material to work with
it's the Iron Fist writers and both showrunners who seem to think "well, we got stuck with the 'Sniveling Defender' so let's just focus on all these better side characters"

Get a showrunner who actually likes Iron Fist and maybe we'll see a turnaround... but sadly, its probably already too late for that

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Finally finished season 2. Meh. For a show called "Iron Fist," we sure didn't see a whole lot of the actual Iron Fist.

Even when several people were running around with Iron Fists in the last episode. Which was dumb.

They had so many chances to actually do cool things with the Fist. But nope. It was still just all "fist smash good." It's way cooler than that, but it's not like the showrunners actually care.

 

[All-Father]

This definitely was an improvement over season one. If I were to rate the netflix shows, it would be like:

1. Daredevil 2 (10/10)
2. Daredevil 1 & Jessica Jones 1 (9.5/10)
3. Punisher (9/10)
4. Defenders 1 & Luke Cage 2 (8.5/10)
5. Luke Cage 1 & Iron Fist 2 (7.5/10)
6. Iron Fist 1 (6.5/10)
7. Jessica Jones 2 (5/10)