Iron Man Iron Man: Anti-Capitalist Message?

[Yellow Cyclone]

well i'm not saying it, but i caught the end segment of a fox news channel that did

it was a classic case of the media getting a story wrong, and b/c this is fox news, it was twisted worse

anybody here on SHH, have the capability to record/capture the segment?

it aired on Your World with Neil Cavuto, and was in the last half hour of the program. he was arguing with a woman on how hollywood movies always have an eeeeevil corporation, etc...

it was from 4-5 EST, so i'm not sure if it's already aired in the central time zone. it most likely hasn't aired yet in moutain/pacific yet

my tivo only got the last min or so of the segment, and i don't have a capture card to begin with. if any of you more tech-savy hypers have the chance, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks

 

[ultimatefan]

I don´t take anything said on Fox News seriously but for argument´s sake, the hero of the movie is an industrialist. He´s just advocating for, you could say, responsible capitalism, which would be a pretty good advance in many cases...

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

oh i agree (plus i hate fox news anyway), but i was just hoping somebody on the Hype could tivo/dvr/rip the segment so others can take a look

i'm afraid it wasn't enough advance warning though =\

 

[X Knight]

I caught the last minute of that segment, too.

Now, I'm conservative in my viewpoints, and I like Fox News the best. I also like Neil Cavuto.

HOWEVER, I'm wondering if Cavuto even saw the movie or is just making judgments based on a casual understanding of the plot.

I saw Iron Man, and I DID NOT think it was Anti-Capitalist.....or Anti-War.....or Anti-Military.

The movie didn't make the case that making alot of money is bad or that corporations are bad. After all, without his vast wealth ( resulting from a capitalistic society ), Tony Stark would never be able to live his lavish lifestyle, have his fancy gadgets, or...more importantly.....become Iron Man.

Likewise, the movie didn't make the case that weapons are necessarily bad. After all, Iron Man IS a walking WMD. And, as long as there are evil ppl who use weapons to gain power and prey on others, we need weapons to fight those evil forces, to protect ourselves and defend others.

No, IM, at its core, was about RESPONSIBILITY!!

If you are a weapons manufacturer, then it is your RESPONSIBILITY to make sure your weapons DO NOT fall into the hands of the enemies. Either indirectly ( due to lack of oversight or accountability ) or directly ( actually selling weapons to the enemy ).

So, IM was more anti-SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE capitalism. That's what Stane represented. The businessperson or company that ONLY CARES about the money, with little regard to the social consequences, even dealing directly with the enemy......

 

[Theweepeople]

I don´t take anything said on Fox News seriously but for argument´s sake, the hero of the movie is an industrialist. He´s just advocating for, you could say, responsible capitalism, which would be a pretty good advance in many cases...

I actually like Fox news. I think they have a decent mixture of moderate(Greta Van Susteran, Bill Oreilly), conservative(Sean Hannity,Chris Wallace, Neil Cavuto), and liberal(Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, Jane Hall) talk show hosts.

I have not seen the movie yet, but, based on everything I've seen and heard the message the film sends is not anti-capitalistic. I'm surprised someone on Fox would screw up this message unless they had not seen the film.

 

[DACrowe]

Well don't most businesses not care about social responsibility? I kid, I kid...sort of. Seriously the social cost hurts basic microeconomic graphs by moving the supply and therefore the profit away from market equilibrium.

With that said I don't think this movie is anti-capitalist or any other political view. You can argue that Tony has a liberal change of heart or remains conservative. That not selling a weapon that could advance the US's militaristic supremacy (as well as Stark's stock numbers) on moral grounds of preventing it falling into wrong hands or starting another cold war can be viewed as liberal. But using a super-weapon to police the world and kill terrorists in the Middle East with a 'one weapon solves the problem metality can be viewed as conservative. It is all about what you want to take away from it.

 

[phizzul]

I can't believe fox news would say something bad about hollywood !!!
This day will go down in infamy.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

How dare Hollywood make a movie that says it's wrong to sell weapons to terrorists?

 

[Immortalfire]

If anything, Iron Man is an anti-terrorist message.

 

[multineedia]

If they said that on Fox news, it was just typical nonsense. The movie is hardly a lefty love fest. Iron Man flies to Afghanistan and blows up terrorists! 'Nuff said, right?

How dare Hollywood make a movie that says it's wrong to sell weapons to terrorists?

exactly.
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my quickie Iron Man review:
http://snipurl.com/26uh2

 

[Leenie]

I caught the last minute of that segment, too.

Now, I'm conservative in my viewpoints, and I like Fox News the best. I also like Neil Cavuto.

HOWEVER, I'm wondering if Cavuto even saw the movie or is just making judgments based on a casual understanding of the plot.

I saw Iron Man, and I DID NOT think it was Anti-Capitalist.....or Anti-War.....or Anti-Military.

The movie didn't make the case that making alot of money is bad or that corporations are bad. After all, without his vast wealth ( resulting from a capitalistic society ), Tony Stark would never be able to live his lavish lifestyle, have his fancy gadgets, or...more importantly.....become Iron Man.

Likewise, the movie didn't make the case that weapons are necessarily bad. After all, Iron Man IS a walking WMD. And, as long as there are evil ppl who use weapons to gain power and prey on others, we need weapons to fight those evil forces, to protect ourselves and defend others.

No, IM, at its core, was about RESPONSIBILITY!!

If you are a weapons manufacturer, then it is your RESPONSIBILITY to make sure your weapons DO NOT fall into the hands of the enemies. Either indirectly ( due to lack of oversight or accountability ) or directly ( actually selling weapons to the enemy ).

So, IM was more anti-SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE capitalism. That's what Stane represented. The businessperson or company that ONLY CARES about the money, with little regard to the social consequences, even dealing directly with the enemy......

Couldn't have said it better!

 

[YJ1]

I actually like Fox news. I think they have a decent mixture of moderate(Greta Van Susteran, Bill Oreilly), conservative(Sean Hannity,Chris Wallace, Neil Cavuto), and liberal(Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, Jane Hall) talk show hosts.

I have not seen the movie yet, but, based on everything I've seen and heard the message the film sends is not anti-capitalistic. I'm surprised someone on Fox would screw up this message unless they had not seen the film.

I love how Fox news plays the middle of the road and reports all the facts but gets hated on because they don't come from the far left like ALL the other main-stream media outlets. This somehow seems to really piss people off.

Please don't confuse Sean Hannity or the other entertainment shows as news. It's like saying that idiot Keith Olbermann delivers news.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Olbermann is the only reason I still watch cable news, he is my hero. Studies have shown that watching Faux News lowers your IQ by 50 points.

Anyway that brittle boned bastard said the same thing about Spider-Man, he also said that it would bomb.

 

[The Overlord]

I love how Fox news plays the middle of the road and reports all the facts but gets hated on because they don't come from the far left like ALL the other main-stream media outlets. This somehow seems to really piss people off.

Please don't confuse Sean Hannity or the other entertainment shows as news. It's like saying that idiot Keith Olbermann delivers news.

Yes Fox news news doesn't try and turn you gay like all the evil liberal stations. Conservatives don't need to taker personal responsibility, they just blame all their problems on the liberal media.

Yes because saying the Iron Man movie is anti capitalist is the peak of journalist excellence. That's clearly not the type of story an idiot would publish.

 

[hatebox]

As a movie Iron Man actually played it pretty safe politically speaking. There was nothing in it that could be construed as 'controversial'.

 

[Badfish40oz]

How dare Hollywood make a movie that says it's wrong to sell weapons to terrorists?

Seriously. That pisses me off that they would call this "anti-capitalist." What morons. Cavuto is one of these idiots who thinks the dollar means EVERYTHING and believing anything less is anti-capitalist, or even socialist.

He would probably sympathize with Obediah. "Just business."

Somebody needs to print out Iron Avenger's explanation of the movie, tape it to a brick, and throw it through Cavuto's window.

What a *****e.

 

[X Knight]

also, going forward in the sequels, I think Stark will have to become a more savvy businessman, instead of leaving the finances in the hands of others, like Stane.

IOW.....Stark will have to take more responsibility for running his own company and managing his own finances. After all, I think Stark fully realizes that in order to continue his mission as IM, he will need to maintain his vast wealth and resources. IOW, he needs to MAKE MONEY!

So, I don't expect Stark to suddenly become an anti-capitalist, anti-corporate, anti-business type.

 

[Immortalfire]

Speaking of Fox News, I think it is my destiny to be one of their studio camera ops. Why? Because they have some damn fine women who host their shows.

 

[hatebox]

Speaking of Fox News, I think it is my destiny to be one of their studio camera ops. Why? Because they have some damn fine women who host their shows.

Probably to divert viewers' attention from the crap they're spewing.

 

[Ryudoz]

In a word: No.

Anyone who would think IM sent an Anti-Capitalist message hasn't seen the film, or can't quite grasp the difference between being Anti-Capitalist and the institution of accountable business practices. Tony's declaration of SI ceasing weapons production was an extreme band-aid in the immediate ******ation of what he deemed unsavory business practices.

 

[Superman4ever]

Probably to divert viewers' attention from the crap they're spewing.

Like a magic act!

 

[Badfish40oz]

or can't quite grasp the difference between being Anti-Capitalist and the institution of accountable business practices.

Like most people in big business, including Cavuto.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I remember one time Cavuto had 3 Hooters waitresses on the show, in full uniform and everything, and he said "You know, this is a pretty controversial time for beautiful women, right now."

 

[The Major]

Speaking of Fox News, I think it is my destiny to be one of their studio camera ops. Why? Because they have some damn fine women who host their shows.

CNN and MSNBC have some pretty fine women, too.

 

[X Knight]

ok, so I just heard this argument again......this time on CNBC!!

they didn't use the word "anti-capitalist," but CNBC anchor Michelle Caruso Cabrera did a quick piece about how business or wall-street is portrayed as the "villain" in 2 of this summer's blockbusters.....IM and Speed Racer.

the piece didn't really elaborate on it much, except to suggest that Hollywood is portraying business / Wall street as the "villain." Also to suggest the reemergence of business matters / wall street in the mainstream.

Of course, it also highlighted the fact that CNBC's own Jim Cramer made a brief appearance in the IM movie.

at the end of the piece, Michelle admitted that she hasn't seen IM yet, although she hears that it is very good.

While this wasn't as detailed a discussion as Cavuto's, again it is suggesting that IM is somehow anti-capitalist or portraying business / corporations as the bad guys.

And, again, I just don't see how you could draw that conclusion. IM wasn't saying business or corporations or capitalism or making money is bad. It was saying that a corporation that is irresponsible in it business practice, even doing business with OUR ENEMIES, is bad. And even so, it wasn't the entire corporation, it was more just one man's lust for power and money ( Stane ).

And, really, what's wrong with that message?

If an American company or business person, especially a WEAPONS MANUFACTURER ( whose mission is to PROTECT AMERICAN SOLDIERS and HELP DEFEAT OUR ENEMIES, is actually putting our American soldiers and innocent civilians in harm's way, either through lack of oversight / control / accountability or by directly dealing with our enemies, then that company or business person should be maligned.

But, that's certainly not an anti-capitalist or anti-business statement.....