Is Bale a good Batman?

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I'm asking, because as much as the Nolan franchise is praised, it seems that a grand majority of fans hate him. I love Bale as Batman, and I think he's the closest we've gotten to the Batman from the comics, but what does everyone else think?:brucebat:
 
Wherever did you get the idea that fans hate him? The majority praise him like a God.

Anyway, I'd say, yes, he is a good Batman. However, there is a certain naiveness that I don't like. That's to be expected from a Batman so early in his career, but I prefer the coldly intelligent, somewhat more cynical Batman/Bruce Wayne.

Somewhere between Keaton and Bale would be my ideal Batman, really.
 
Wherever did you get the idea that fans hate him? The majority praise him like a God.

Anyway, I'd say, yes, he is a good Batman. However, there is a certain naiveness that I don't like. That's to be expected from a Batman so early in his career, but I prefer the coldly intelligent, somewhat more cynical Batman/Bruce Wayne.

Somewhere between Keaton and Bale would be my ideal Batman, really.

Agreed.


Though, I'd pick Bale.:grin::brucebat:
 
I haven't seen that. He generally gets high praise.

I know, but there are many that can't seem to allow others to weight in on praise for Bale. I see it on the boards sometimes, and it kinda kills the enjoyment for his performance in BB and TDK. So I kinda wanted to have a thread where people can weigh in on him, without there being a naysayer. I understand everyone has their opinion, but there are some that just can allow that.

That's just me, though.:brucebat:
 
I used to root for Bale like consistently since '99 back when the whole "Bale for Batman" thing took over the net. The thing is when I saw him in the role I was dissapointed. In BB I felt he was way too experimental and even though he wasn't trying to phone in his performance it still came across pretty tacky. Yes that does include the Flass interrogation which still makes me laugh.

In TDK in terms of emotions he's really trying to balance his duality this time and it's starting to challenge him which is the type of Batman I enjoy. Also I noticed he toned down public Bruce which while that was one thing I really liked about BB it was nice. Not in the sense of showing off but in the sense of being more kindly airheaded as opposed to a jerk.

In BB I only liked Batman during his iconic shots like when he was stading on the roof of a building and the scenes with Gordon. Bruce Wayne was the best character of BB not Batman. In TDK however I felt he's finally grown comfortable with the role he finally has a consistent voice, his body language is totally secure in both suits. He completely owns the film during his introduction scene you feel the presence of Batman there. He's doing real detective work, he's using all his identities to fight crime, he's traveling across the world to apprehend criminals. This finally felt like a Batman movie.

The way he played it between all 3 roles Real Bruce Wayne, Public Bruce Wayne and Batman felt more natural in this film. It was much more balanced, not too much on the dark side or on the light just a good balance but still struggling with himself. Batman is finally becoming more than even he anticipated that's something I enjoyed. He was Batman to me in TDK and the most enjoyable overall character so I do like him in the role.
 
I'd say he's good, but not the best or even close to definitive. The matter of whether he delivers in the role is up to what the viewer's preference in the character is, so it's understandable there will always be a division due to the many different interpretations.
 
I'd say he's good, but not the best or even close to definitive. The matter of whether he delivers in the role is up to what the viewer's preference in the character is, so it's understandable there will always be a division due to the many different interpretations.

Finally, something we can agree on. :grin::brucebat:
 
People used to bang the drums for him, now they hate him. He definetely has been the most talented and inspired actor to put a stamp on the character. The way he plays the three sides to the character is easily the best I've ever seen. Definetely the best representation, IMO. And it really isn't even close. Bale's not a "good" Batman to me ... he's "great." The man had the fortitude to take a role we all know and were used to basically. We had the two potrayls of the character, the West / Clooney version and the Keaton / Kilmer / Conroy and then there was Bale. Who completely goes for the jugular and does his own thing in a very inspiring way. Have to appreciate that. He had the balls to go for it, much the way the actual character of the Batman is ... take no prisoners and make an impact.
 
People used to bang the drums for him, now they hate him. He definetely has been the most talented and inspired actor to put a stamp on the character. The way he plays the three sides to the character is easily the best I've ever seen. Definetely the best representation, IMO. And it really isn't even close. Bale's not a "good" Batman to me ... he's "great." The man had the fortitude to take a role we all know and were used to basically. We had the two potrayls of the character, the West / Clooney version and the Keaton / Kilmer / Conroy and then there was Bale. Who completely goes for the jugular and does his own thing in a very inspiring way. Have to appreciate that. He had the balls to go for it, much the way the actual character of the Batman is ... take no prisoners and make an impact.

Amen.:brucebat:
 
i like bale, whenever i read a batman comic i hear a mixture of his and conroys voice. so yes
 
Hate him....WHO hates him? I think he's awesome as Batman and as an actor in general. My 9th favorite actor of all-time in fact. Can't wait to see Bale kicking butt again in the next one.
 
Hate him....WHO hates him? I think he's awesome as Batman and as an actor in general. My 9th favorite actor of all-time in fact. Can't wait to see Bale kicking butt again in the next one.

I agree.

Bale is one of the best actors of our generation. :batty::brucebat:
 
There has been alot of criticism and backlash against Bale, when almost unanimously prior to "the Intimidation Game" everyone was begging for him to be cast. Mainly its because he didn't fit into the standard boring Bruce Wayne / Batman mode we had seen over and over again, and instead did his own thing creativly, and there has been some backlash from that, alot unjustifiably. There is no such thing as "definitive" because there will always be a different meaning of the word as it pertains to the material for every person. With that said, Bale gave the best performance for ANY aspect of the Bruce Wayne / Batman character, and really was the first person to do something different and fresh with the role ... so to me he gets the award as the best Bruce Wayne / Batman.
 
I think that he's a really good Batman but the growl keeps him from being great. Thats my only gripe. He's a perfect Bruce Wayne though.
 
He's good, solid, dependable....but his Batman doesn't have the sheer badass factor of Blade, or the mystery of V, or the menace of Keaton's Batman. I see him as a more aggresive version of Kilmer's Batman.
 
I think he's been a pretty weak link in both movies. It sucks because looking at his other work he definitely has talent (I think he tends to get a bit too much credit just for being a method actor, he's no Daniel Day Lewis) but a lot of the time his emotional state comes off as really contrived to me. I like that he gives Batman a wide emotional range, but the way he moves through that spectrum has me scratching my head sometimes. The way he can move from brooding melancholy to naive optimism to playful sarcasm to animalistic rage at the drop of a hat without convincing provocation bothers me. Look at Eckhardt or Oldman's performances. They come off as real people. Ledger is convincing if idiosyncratic. Bale? Not nearly as nuanced.
 
I like that he gives Batman a wide emotional range, but the way he moves through that spectrum has me scratching my head sometimes. The way he can move from brooding melancholy to naive optimism to playful sarcasm to animalistic rage at the drop of a hat without convincing provocation bothers me. Look at Eckhardt or Oldman's performances. They come off as real people. Ledger is convincing if idiosyncratic. Bale? Not nearly as nuanced.
Beautifully said. That's exactly how I feel about Bale, from the past 2 films. Admittedly I was one of the many fans here clamoring for him to get cast, but ultimately I don't think he lived up to my own expectations. I'm not sure it's really the writing that's to be blamed, because a lot of my issues is with his direction and performance for the character.

I don't mind when an actor takes things a different way as to how I expected it, but it's another thing when it comes off as disappointing. To his credit though, I think he's the best Bruce Wayne we've seen thus far. The playboy aspect is almost 100% nailed (he just needs to actually....bed a woman :p) and I wish we'd see more of it. The private Bruce is also done pretty satisfactory, albeit slightly boring in my eyes. Keaton had less to work with and still managed to come off as mysterious and interesting.

With that said, I think there's plenty room for improvement. Whether that be in a Nolan sequel with Bale, or when the time comes for a new actor to take up the cowl, I think we can look forward for things to be "better". As it should be.
 
Bale is my favourite actor and I am really pleased that he got to play one of my favourite characters ever.

However, I don't think Batman is his greatest performance at all. I have nothing bad to say about it, but I just feel his performance is not as strong as that of other characters he portrayed, namely Trevor Reznik which everyone is now familiar with because of the weight loss, forgetting how great the overall performance is.

So yeah, he's good. But Begins or TDK are not the movies I would pick if I wanted to see a great performance. I don't think he feels "free" enough with the role.

One thing I noticed though, is that people often criticize performances based on everything the character does and says and even the tone they use when they say it. Well, the person who should be praised/criticized for those are not the actors but the director. He is the one who chooses how an actor will perform the part. The actor has no say in the matter, they just have to deliver it in the way and tone the director wants them to.

When you criticize a performance because the actor "used a growl instead of a whisper" or "looked too relaxed in a tense scene", remember you're actually criticizing the director who asked him to play it this way or allowed him to play it this way.

An actor's general performance is never more than what the director's performance would look like if they could act.
 
He is my favorite live-action Batman to date. There are things I think Keaton may have done better, but Bale just nails the character in his modern form. You really get to feel for this guy in BB and root for him at all times. You get inn his head and understand him far better than in any Batman movie before and most comics for that matter.

In TDK I think he just nailed the persona of Batman much more. While he was great at in BB, especially when he is having confrontations with either Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul, in TDK he is just so firmly fit into this character. It isn't "ah, it is nice to see they worked or incorporated that angle in" or "I like how Bale did that," but it simply is Batman on screen. He is Batman and doing what I think Batman should do.

I know some wish he was more of Miller's dark knight and given these are his first two years as Batman he can come off somewhat naive or more fallible than comic readers are used to sometimes. But to me that is just a plus. Seeing a struggling Batman who does second guess himself and doesn't always know how best to do something or being always the utmost effective just makes him more human and interesting. Sure Bruce never came that close to quitting, but in fanboy favorite MOP he almost gives up Batman before the dream ever starts and he toys with the idea in both Batman (1989), but rejects it and again in Batman Returns where Selina rejects him for the same reasons he rejected Vicky. So I'm all for this aspect as you have four film adaptations that have probably toyed with it more than the comics and each in a unique and interesting way. And for the record, I thought it was best handled in The Dark Knight (followed closely by Batman Returns).

My only real complaints are the voice, which is a major plus to Keaton. But he is so immersed and inhabited into this role that I just kind of accept the voice even if when I first heard it, it made me chuckle. The whole performance by Bale sells it. The other is while I'm glad Bruce Wayne is more of an airheaded socalite in this as opposed to his reclusive self in the Burton movies, I did like how Keaton's Bruce (like in TAS, for example) was straight forward, take-no-**** kind of a businessman and when it came to maintaing Bruce Wayne's name. In the Nolan movies he leaves all that to Fox and comes off as a complete tool.

Oh well, I still think it is a great performance that helped carry Batman Begins to be as great as it was, because really that movie rested on his shoulders and he was as good as Echart, Oldman and even Ledger. But as usual Joker overshadows all other characters and performers for the mainstream, though.
 
his voice i hate.....and to an extent i hate his suit, but he wasnt a bad batman. i still think keaton was better though, i mean he WAS batman. bale just played him.
 
Here is a clip that I think defines how badass Bale as Batman is from BB.

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Sorry this is the best I can find on youtube but watch 00:30 to 1:30 or all the way to 3:45 to see where I think Bale is just so in character as Batman. The stares he gives Ra's and the almost animalistic rage that overcomes them right before he lunges four of Ra's ninja-pawns IS Batman to me. As is the stare at 3:45.
 

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