geez i'm starting to get a headacheI figured you'd be the first to admit it..as it's been said on many occasion...u couldn't see the robots fighting..i had no idea what robot was doing what..me and countless others have stated that , cuz you and a handful of folks think differently that's your view doesnt mean mine is wrong...i dont know what camera he used or didnt use (nor care)..the fact you could barely see what any of the robots were doing told me that's bad camera work..it's my opinion what my eyes told me..
I respect an opinion, I just hate when an opinion is biased,
yours and many others seem to apply said opinion(camera work) only here, bays work on a film they hastily predicted they would hate the minute they heard bay was signed on and long before they saw any footage.
like i pointed out before(in one of the posts you stated too long to bother reading)
Many films including the acclaimed and loved (by many a poster in and around these very boards) by people everywhere Saving Private Ryan(it is also very reminiscent to jim cameron's aliens) have this type of work and imo an even harsher approach to it with people that all look alike be they "good guys" or "bad"
and never is the term
"Shotty" applied to the camera work
pardon me if i wonder if any bias is present
visavi I ask you personally
what exactly is shotty about it?
myself being very close to people in the industry and take a personal interest in the matter or camera
shotty work at a feature level is very rare, not everything is wonderful but everything is intended, so what you see as bad(ie blair witch is actually a decisive decision)
if you ever get a chance to look at dailies you'll see focusing problems, cropping boom operators and cables, over exposures....etc
this film if anything has aggresive camera work, on the dvd there is behind the scenes where we see various advance methods of capturing the kinetics bay is so known for...
michael man loves doing his hand held doc work with it's rack focusing and odd framing in his features now...
i dare you to find anyone who calls that shotty...course not..but michael man, and not michael bay is an award winning photographer
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honestly this is where i just stop the debate...why can i not like the film or the directors work?? I have my reasons, for someone to come call it hating is friggin ******ed...plz i'm tired of that being excuse coming from others with a difference in opinion..how old are we now..geez i dont like TF part one..M.Bay did a horrible job that's my opinion..so now i'm a hater....
wtf
u liked it, good..hooray for you!!
Honestly this is where i start the debate
you and everyone else can love or hate anything you want
I decide to step in when you(people) **** on other people's work, call it your opinion or whatever you want
you don't like the film
half the people here don't like it
90% of of the people on the Ain't cool site or rather message board hate it
but they never say that
they say it's bad, and that's bull ****
if you look into Kubrick's history in the industry you'll see this **** on almost each and every release; Everyone and their mother hate the product, critics call all his films crap and contrived messes that are at times boring...about a decade later his work is just about the most acclaimed there is..
my point, you may or may not like it but don't call some you don't like bad.
that's what all those people clearly did.
(before people say i'm calling bay kubrick, i'm not)
I'm not saying your(or the world) is going to be calling TF a gem in 10 years, but i am saying people these days obviously aren't as critically objective as they should be...everything is opinion presented as law.
you keep saying this debate isn't going anywhere cause i'm not going to convince u to like it and ur not going to convince me to hate it...
boards don't work that way
it's rhetoric i'm into, why do u say it's bad?
well guess what?
your wrong.(as far as camera work...etc)
in my opinion bay almost always shots films devoid of compelling story or consist of characters that can give an actor an oscar
I'm an art student(check the sig)
I watch the trailer for pearl harbor every know and then and i SEE a photographer telling a visual story about america in a times of war
I see a the painter in Ridley scott when i watch his epic films
when these guys do genre films, they visually knock it out of the park and not everyone likes it fine
but "fans" come on places like here and call it shotty and that kinda sucks if you know what i mean.
geez i dont like TF part one..M.Bay did a horrible job that's my opinion
you and everyone (including myself) should apply this with each "review" and maybe less feet will end up in peoples mouths.