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I dont recall if I ever posted something like this before but if I have I'm sorry for the repeat topic.

This has really been on my mind lately. First let me say I have nothing against Peter. I think he's a great character but honestly I think perhaps after 40+ years that it's time to move on to someone new. Now I'm not saying that all characters should do this. I think that for some characters and some type of characters that having a new person after a while wearing the costume and mask breathes fresh air into a franchise and character.

It seems to have worked pretty well for the Flash I believe. There have been what 4 so far? Alan?, Wally, Barry, and Bart. All know each other, help each other, are basiclly family due to the Speed Force. Now there is a new Flash and I wouldn't be surprised if he's connected to them as well. Just because there was a new Flash didn't mean the others couldn't show up. The Flash still did heroic deeds, was a mainstream character. Just that the person as the Flash brought a new and different dynamic to the situation and allowed for other, different personal situations and stories to be writen. I see no reason why this can't be done for someone like Spider-man.

When I think about it, Spider-man can have an entire arc for a long time in which the mask never comes off and I doubt there would be a serious problem. Peter is a very important part of the character and helps shape Spider-man. Another person can help shape it the same way I feel while bringing in something new. Spider-man can still act the same but the personal situations would be different. One doesn't need to write Peter out of the story completely either. He can be support and finally be allowed to age and have his marriage. After 40+ years one can and should run out of things to do with a particular characater and with all of the trouble with Spider-man in recent years I think it's time for a change. At least when certain things are done, it isn't something that ends up hurting Peter's character. It could very well work and be more accepted and liked if it was being done to a new character then Peter.

My ideal way of doing this would be to have a long say 6 to 7 part story arc. In which it opens with Spider-man fighting someone and doing his Spidey thing. Once the story starts up we have scenes with Peter/MJ/Aunt May. You go back and forth, near the ending issues you include scenes with Peter and a young teen (perhaps a student of some kind). Now these scenes wouldn't at all show who is Spider-man. Peter and his family would be talking about the situation Spider-man is going through but not so much with the teen. Meanwhile Spider-man is kicking some serious ass, doing the jokes but as the series goes on you notice slight differences in how he talks or fights. Nothing major just something that seems new, like he hadn't do before. Perhaps he's a bit more aggresive, or more defensive, or even more stealth like in how he takes on situations, something of that nature. Then at the end, we see Spider-man and Peter talking about the situation and the mask comes off to show the new kid. Meanwhile, readers are taken a bit back. They were enjoying and cheering on Spider-man and then find out it wasn't Peter but someone new.

Now it might come as a surprise but I don't think that would be insulting to readers the way that the Clone Saga seemed to be with the whole cloning, telling people this guy was a fake but then again he isn't the other one was, etc. Peter is still Peter. He's just passing on his legacy, if a bit early. Readers have gotten a taste of what this new Spider-man can do and even enjoyed it. They see he's being taught by Peter/Spider-man. It's sort of being told you are eating one thing, loved the hell out of it, and then being told what it really was. Now afterwards do you throw up after having loved ever bit of it just because you weren't told it's real name before? Or do you stop and rethink your feelings about the food now that you've tasted, enjoyed it and found out that your previous feelings on it were completely wrong?

I believe doing things this way would be a similar situation. Peter has to be able to advance. Wanting to keep him young, down and out isn't helping anymore. People change and grow as they get older and unless they are willing to deage him by some science or mystical means then he has to grow. Not letting him does a disservice and damage to the character. Explore the young days and stories with a new character. Start with a somewhat clean state and let the writers be creative instead of limited by Peter's history. He, Aunt May, and MJ can still be a large part of the comic as they help this new guy. This also allows for the new Spider-man to have his own cast of characters beside the Parker family. Which should be a huge plus considering that Peter's cast of characters are pretty much dead or put into limbo. This could also mean new and old enemies going after new guy/Spider-man thinking him to be Peter/Spider-man.

This worked well I feel with Batman Beyond by having Terry as the new Batman, learning to become the new Dark Knight with Bruce while older still able to kick ass and pass on the skills. I still remember the episode of Justice League Unlimited when Batman, Green Latern, and Wonderwoman, and I think Hawkgirl end up in the Batman Beyond future and the Beyond Bruce ended up playing "bad guy" to the younger Bruce Batman. The older one calling the younger Bruce "green" was pretty interesting and funny. Even though older Bruce wasn't in the costume he was Batman. He neve stopped being it but at the same time Terry was Batman as well and that was a point that was stressed in the series and Terry proved he was worthy of the name Batman, just that he was different from Bruce but similar in ways as well.

No reason it can't be done for Spider-man. Or is it simply Spider-man readers (not all cause I have talked to some peopel that would be open to the idea of a new guy behind the costume if done correctly and without getting rid of Peter completely) are just really to set in their ways and just not open tot he idea? Or is it something else that stops peopel from accepting or being open to ideas such as this?
 
I stopped reading after the third sentence.
 
They pretty much already tried this during the Clone Saga. They even tried replacing Peter with his clone, which was the same exact person as Peter Parker...and the fans had an egg.

I sort of agree with you. Personally, I'd like to see the mantle passed on. That's why I really dig Spider-Girl so much.

But Spider-Man is a Marvel character, unfortunately, and they really don't do that with their characters very often. DC is the place to go when it comes to passing down mantles. Such as The Flash, etc. Hence why I enjoy DC more than Marvel sometimes because at least DC makes the larger attempt to reinvigorate their characters instead of letting them go on being so stale for so many years.
 
can someone plz summerize that for me.
 
Kaleb said:
can someone plz summerize that for me.

You can't read it yourself? :confused: Sheesh...that's just beyond the point of lazy. If I could think of a made up word I'd use it, but I can't.

Basically, the very quick summarized version, since you seem to have a very low attention span, is can Spider-Man pass down his mantle much like many of the DC characters have done.

Like The Flash. The was Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen.
Superman...well, he HAD Superboy.
Batman has Nightwing and Robin.
The Green Lanterns.
Blue Beetle has passed down the scarab.

You get the point. He's basically giving points on how Spider-Man could pass on his mantle and have like a Spider-family.

Seriously, read his post and see what he means yourself.
 
14k london spider said:
that's the worst idea i ever heard

I doubt that. I can trump it.

JMS/Joe Quesada team up for a Spidey miniseries entitled, "Crack Kills". Peter Parker, after losing Mary Jane to cancer, becomes a crack addict. To support his crack habit he has to become a pimp, so he begins pimping hoes to make money for his crack. Eventually Peter dies, and Amazing Spider-Man ends, disgracing Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the process.
 
SpideyInATree said:
I doubt that. I can trump it.

JMS/Joe Quesada team up for a Spidey miniseries entitled, "Crack Kills". Peter Parker, after losing Mary Jane to cancer, becomes a crack addict. To support his crack habit he has to become a pimp, so he begins pimping hoes to make money for his crack. Eventually Peter dies, and Amazing Spider-Man ends, disgracing Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the process.


they both suck. Besides i don't get why the editors are so concerned with making spider-man young, care-free and single again, that's what ultimate spider-man was for and it worked perfectly. If you want fresh stories without the baggage you got it right there.
 
SpideyInATree said:
I doubt that. I can trump it.

JMS/Joe Quesada team up for a Spidey miniseries entitled, "Crack Kills". Peter Parker, after losing Mary Jane to cancer, becomes a crack addict. To support his crack habit he has to become a pimp, so he begins pimping hoes to make money for his crack. Eventually Peter dies, and Amazing Spider-Man ends, disgracing Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the process.


dude shut up, if he reads that it will be announced on NEWSARAMA within the very hour. :(
 
I just dont think passing the mantle would work with Spidey, as we saw in the clone saga. Pete is such a loved character and before all this spider god crap his powers were an accident so I wouldnt want to see another random accident create another spider powered superhero.

Plus if they used the spider god way of giving a replacement powers then that would be justifying that awful idea!
 
Happenstance said:
I just dont think passing the mantle would work with Spidey, as we saw in the clone saga. Pete is such a loved character and before all this spider god crap his powers were an accident so I wouldnt want to see another random accident create another spider powered superhero.

Plus if they used the spider god way of giving a replacement powers then that would be justifying that awful idea!

I definitely agree that it wouldn't work.

Well, lets put it a little differently.

Personally, with the correct writer, I think it could work and work well. It's whether or not the fans really want to embrace it or not. And, unfortunately, they aren't going to because most fans want to see Peter Parker as Spider-Man and not someone else, whoever that may be.

As you've pointed out...the Clone Saga pretty much attempted this and it was met with much hatred by the fans. And if they can't replace Peter with his EXACT REPLICA then there isn't any replacing him with a stranger, or even a friend.
 
SpideyInATree said:
I doubt that. I can trump it.

JMS/Joe Quesada team up for a Spidey miniseries entitled, "Crack Kills". Peter Parker, after losing Mary Jane to cancer, becomes a crack addict. To support his crack habit he has to become a pimp, so he begins pimping hoes to make money for his crack. Eventually Peter dies, and Amazing Spider-Man ends, disgracing Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the process.


GAWD thats awesome.:(
 
The thing that has always made Spider-Man a stand out series, and a landmark in the world of comics, is that it dared to put the focus on the boy/man behind the mask. The alter ego and his life, problems and friends mattered as much as the "sure to AMAZE" super hero slugfests every other comic was peddling.

That is why Spider-Man is considering to have [/had] the best supporting cast in comics. That is why Spider-Man is considered by many, including Wizard Magazine, as arguably the greatest comic hero ever created. That is why stories such as "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" impacted the entire genre in the way it did. That's the reason that so many other heroes were revealed as "hallow" by comparison, causing other creators and companies to go back and add more depth to existing icons.

This should never change.

Because for all that Spider-Man is and does, he's still only a boy/man named Peter Parker.
 
Spider-Man's not much one who can pass on his mantle, because the way he sees it, being Spider-Man is HIS responsibility. Uncle Ben died because of HIS inaction, so why would he ever let anyone else do what he considers to be HIS penance?
 
They tried this with Ben Reilly,everyone hated it.They did it with Spidergirl,and that's on issue #100 now I believe,so it's doing good.Then they did it with Ultimate Spider-man and it's a huge hit.You want them do it with a character that isn't his daughter,isn't his clone,and isn't a younger version of him in another series,but that simply won't happen.The reason is that Spiderman is so succesful because of his moral outlook,and the three I mentioned kept that to some extent.Peter Parker makes Spiderman.But personally I've never liked anything from DC.They've had a couple Batmans,at least three Robins,4 Flashes.And I think this is the result of lazy writers.Every time they're out of ideas they reinvent the character.I can only enjoy the character if he's developed and had experiences that make you want to see him survive situations and problems.I'm done.
 
Geko, you know by now that here at the Hype, there's no such thing as a new or original thread idea.
 
LOL Yeah I know that, but usually someone is much quicker at pointing it out!
 
I personally have given up and decided to stick to just telling idiots when they've posted a topic in the wrong section.
 
If they were going to do a new Spider-Man, the new character would have to handle or use the powers in a completely different way. That's the only appeal for me of legacy characters. Like the new Blue Beetle. Reinvent everything. If it's going to be like Spider-Girl, then just stick with Peter.
 
I like legacy characters in general. It allows characters to age, but enables the super hero to remain pretty much the same.

But I don't think it works unless powers can be replicated sensibly. Most of Marvel's characters were created in such a way that legacies were always going to be tricky. Spider-man is a prime-example.
 
14k london spider said:
they both suck. Besides i don't get why the editors are so concerned with making spider-man young, care-free and single again, that's what ultimate spider-man was for and it worked perfectly. If you want fresh stories without the baggage you got it right there.


Exactly thats what ultimate is for but JQ seems to have forgotten. However i agree with the first poster i want to see spidey hand over the mantle. i want him to get old have kids and what not. But i don't think it has to be now.
 
PWN3R RANGER said:
dude shut up, if he reads that it will be announced on NEWSARAMA within the very hour. :(


Hahahahahahaha:D....wait that's true:( :mad:
 

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