Is Raimi feeling stupid now?

[Naite22]

^ No, that scene was for laughter, and if you dont get that, than you're not too clever (no offence, seriously).

The scene with Peter messing up Harry, and telling him how his father despised him, THAT IS DARK!!!

 

[The Man Of 16]

Your thought process is simple stupid

youre a ****ing idiot if you believe anything else than the truth.

 

[Tempest19]

No, 16, dude you seriously are an idiot. Your conspiracy is too far out there... but, hey believe whatever the hell you want. Toy companies are making evil dolls to reduce the children population, UFOs are polluting the atmosphere to kill us all, etc. Lol.

 

[LegendZ]

can we get a link to the source please?

Case I think you're full of ****


Question: So Spiderman 3 is completely your director's cut then? I assume it's the same?

Raimi: Yes, we've had a very good relationship like that throughout all the pictures. There are discussions and there's compromises that you make in any relationship, but I'm very happy with the picture.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/spider31.php

 

[calibud]

Anyone that's seen or owns the SM1 & 2 DVDs knows that Raimi puts basically everything he shoots into the final cut. This is why people complain of some scenes dragging, strange pacing, etc. It's just even more evident in SM3 because of the cramped story. If you look at the SM1 deleted scenes and even the SM2 "extended" cut, you'll see that any scenes Raimi has cut are insignificant in regards to the plot and are just plain redundant---they're removed for good reason. I highly doubt judging by this that there's an alternate version of SM3 with Venom carrying a heavier part of the story.

IMO the ideal director's cut of SM3 would be removing any scenes with Gwen Stacy and the trite retcon of Sandman offing Uncle Ben. I have nothing against Venom, but I think his story's been told in its entirety as much as Ock's was. We all know that virtually all of Spidey's enemies have long histories, but this just doesn't apply in the movieverse. Movies can't be told in a serialized format unless they're being released one right after the other. This limits the amount of story to be told. Except for the case of GG, Venom's story has been told. His abrupt death is fine by me as long as there are no loose threads. I think it's great that Venom's story is nicely contained within SM3 (except for the symbiote's origin). Eddie Brock was way more interesting as himself without the symbiote anyway.

 

[nowheremann]

its supposed to be funny. Laugh, its funny.

 

[The Man Of 16]

No, 16, dude you seriously are an idiot. Your conspiracy is too far out there... but, hey believe whatever the hell you want. Toy companies are making evil dolls to reduce the children population, UFOs are polluting the atmosphere to kill us all, etc. Lol.

Listen, if you were Avi Arad and the following situation were thrown at you what would you do?

The situations:
- A team of actors and a director (a UNION!) refuse to work on more unless theyre all together. (publicly announced)
- The movie is too complex and too long for the children to pay attention (which was Avis opinion, and no one elses)

The solutions:
- Publicly announce they're at LEAST making 3 more with the possibility of 7 sequels (after spiderman3) total.

(By doing this it basically guarantees that Tobey, Kirsten and Sam wont be doing them forever because 1: sony couldnt afford them if they wanted to, and 2: they (the UNION!) dont want to spend the rest of their lives making them)

- Cut the length of the movie by removing scenes with concepts that children are too young to grasp. ie scenes with ACTUAL character development

(Let's just put it this way, if the children dont like Spiderman 3, their parents arent going to be buying them spiderman toys, clothes, and ... skateboards. It's just a good business strategy, "appeal to your biggest audience, not your most appreciative one"
Also, when appreciative fans realize that their movie isn't what they thought it was, their first reaction is to blame the actors for their "bad acting" when really there was no bad acting, just good acting with coerced editing. Like I said, Avi Arad has an agenda)

You guys have the nerve to call ME simple?
Youre as simple minded as the children the movie was shortened for because you refuse to place your blame upon the proper individual.

 

[Alexia Dark]

can we get a link to the source please?

Case I think you're full of ****


Question: So Spiderman 3 is completely your director's cut then? I assume it's the same?

Raimi: Yes, we've had a very good relationship like that throughout all the pictures. There are discussions and there's compromises that you make in any relationship, but I'm very happy with the picture.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/spider31.php

Great. Confirmation that Sam believes that 'compromising' on plot and character development is ok. He doesn't even recognize what he's done wrong. And all this... err, week... I'd been hoping that he was simply a victim of Sony's influence, to over-stuff the movie and have as much action as possible.

its supposed to be funny.

Funny? Yes.

An unneccessary waste of valuable time that could have been used for plot and character development? Definitely.

 

[Alexia Dark]

Listen, if you were Avi Arad and the following situation were thrown at you what would you do?

The situations:
- A team of actors and a director (a UNION!) refuse to work on more unless theyre all together. (publicly announced)
- The movie is too complex and too long for the children to pay attention (which was Avis opinion, and no one elses)

The solutions:
- Publicly announce they're at LEAST making 3 more with the possibility of 7 sequels (after spiderman3) total.

(By doing this it basically guarantees that Tobey, Kirsten and Sam wont be doing them forever because 1: sony couldnt afford them if they wanted to, and 2: they (the UNION!) dont want to spend the rest of their lives making them)

- Cut the length of the movie by removing scenes with concepts that children are too young to grasp. ie scenes with ACTUAL character development

(Let's just put it this way, if the children dont like Spiderman 3, their parents arent going to be buying them spiderman toys, clothes, and ... skateboards. It's just a good business strategy, "appeal to your biggest audience, not your most appreciative one"
Also, when appreciative fans realize that their movie isn't what they thought it was, their first reaction is to blame the actors for their "bad acting" when really there was no bad acting, just good acting with coerced editing. Like I said, Avi Arad has an agenda)

You guys have the nerve to call ME simple?
Youre as simple minded as the children the movie was shortened for because you refuse to place your blame upon the proper individual.

I was ok with your assessment until this.

Tobey's acting was painful.

 

[Tempest19]

Lol. You are one conspiracy theory nutcase. Are you typing from the insane asylum? Just wondering... no offense if you are. But, you seriously do sound like your one for yelling out random conspiracy theories. lol.

 

[The Man Of 16]

The editing was painful. Not the acting.

Theres only so much an actor can do to make a scene seem realistic, the rest is up to editing. Removing dialogue creates out-of-context scenes, and those are always awkward.

Tobey has a good track record, Im putting my money on the COERCED FILM EDITORS.

I can't stress this enough. The only solution is to wait for Spiderman 3: Directors Cut

 

[Alexia Dark]

No matter how much you do or do not cut up the 'B-but I love you! Wahhh!' scene, it was still bad.

 

[The Man Of 16]

Lol. You are one conspiracy theory nutcase. Are you typing from the insane asylum? Just wondering... no offense if you are. But, you seriously do sound like your one for yelling out random conspiracy theories. lol.

Youre one of those kids that high fives people they dont know for anything.

I think if I met you, you'd say something like this to someone else near you "His ideas seem plausible, ahhahahaha, he thinks hes figured it out, ahahaha. I cant comprehend anything else but how to laugh, ahahahaha. High FIVE, breh!"

 

[Tempest19]

But, for many the movie wasn't bad... lots of fans here like it, I've only once (hardly anybody in theater) out of four times ran into a rather dull crowd that didn't really respond to it... the previous three times- sold out IMAX- loved it...

Heck, you ever said you liked it on another thread. Which surprises me from your seemingly view on the film- because you make it out to be the worst thing since Ed Wood.

No matter if a couple of people hate it, even they can't say they made the movie bad (which is HIGHLY HIGHLY arguable and opinionable) on purpose. Because that would be the dumbest move in history due to all of the money they put into it- if that was a plan, they would have dramatically reduced the budget as well. But, as I said it's MORE than ARGUABLE and OPINIONABLE. In my opinion and others here the movie was GOOD and in the audiences I went to see it with the first three times it was GREAT- some even said best of the three!

Once again, your conspiracy theory is INSANE- literally- because it's the most expensive movie in movie history. Which more than destroys your crazy theory.

 

[The Joker]

But, for many the movie wasn't bad... lots of fans here like it

Lots of fans disliked it, too. It has four times the amount of bad reviews the previous two movies got.

The general consensus for Spidey 1, and especially Spidey 2, was positive. With Spidey 3, it's mixed.

 

[El Payaso]

^ No, that scene was for laughter, and if you dont get that, than you're not too clever (no offence, seriously).

That's like saying that the Schumacher bat-nipples were meant to be sexy and if you don't get that, etc etc

ll in all, we all got that was for laughter. But we all would need a bad executed lobotomy to actually laugh at that. No offence and all of that.

 

[Tempest19]

Lots of fans disliked it, too. It has four times the amount of bad reviews the previous two movies got.

The general consensus for Spidey 1, and especially Spidey 2, was positive. With Spidey 3, it's mixed.

But, even those that hated it can't say they made it bad (for those who personally hated it, once again- opinionable) on purpose with a straight face.

"I hated DMC!!! The producers probably made it horrible!"

See, I would never say that because although I do hate DMC- I know I would come off sounding like an idiot.

 

[The Joker]

But, even those that hated it can't say they made it bad (for those who personally hated it, once again- opinionable) on purpose with a straight face.

No, I'm certain they didn't make it bad on purpose. Which makes it even more disappointing.

 

[The Man Of 16]

Yes I do believe is it was great, but it could have been better. I feel like Ive been robbed of something I've waited many years for. But I also wish people would place blame where it belonged.

Avi Arad deserves our blame.

And I'm betting you anything that Avi Arads thought process was that people were already semi-emotionally invested in the first 2 and were FOR SURE going to see the 3rd one regardless of what anyone else said. (whether it be the action sequences that grab your excitement or the acting that lets you relate). I know theres a better version out there, one thats 40 minutes longer (check the deleted scenes thread for citations), and I trust Sam Raimi did his best to fight for many scenes that were probably GOING to be cut out but was able to convince Arad otherwise.

Sam Raimi wanted Spiderman 3 to go out with a BANG whereas Avi Arad wanted to go out with a BUCK.

Avi Arad has too many incentives to make this film not as good as it can be.
If the 3rd one is TOO GOOD than the 4th one might bomb because of everyones "too good to be true" mindset. But if its mediocre, than we can probably expect another mediocre sequel. And in reality, the guy with the money is your boss, so Sam had to swallow his pride when it came to this.

 

[swifty]

STAYING ALIVE...STAYING ALIVE....AH..AH..AH..AH..AH..STAYING ALIVE..STAYING ALIVE...AH..AH..AH..AH..AH....STAYING
ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIE....

t:

 

[Tempest19]

Oh now I get that whole 'Staying Alive' comment thing... lol.

 

[TMC1982]

It was as if Raimi stopped trying. "SP3" was the point in which the series became virtually a caricature of itself.

 

[TomPiltoff]

I haven't read the entire thread, was there ever a source or link provided for the original quote?

 

[Blader5489]

I haven't read the entire thread, was there ever a source or link provided for the original quote?

No, of course not.

 

[IamProdigy]

Sam Raimi's a *****.