Is the USA a pseudo-fascist state? (Police constantly abusing people)

Voting is a plain illusion that the citizens maintain the control. Truth is politics don't solve problems at their core or the root that causes them in the first place. So, be it Democrats or Republicans, the status quo will always be the same and the middle class workers will get the short end of the stick.
 
Voting is a plain illusion that the citizens maintain the control. Truth is politics don't solve problems at their core or the root that causes them in the first place. So, be it Democrats or Republicans, the status quo will always be the same and the middle class workers will get the short end of the stick.

And yet organized groups such as the Tea Party that actually vote have enough influence to elect officials who derail the political process enough to have international economic implications as we've seen with the debt process. Again they vote and people who want their votes listened. Was it a good idea? Probably not. But the fact remains. It is extremely myopic to just throw up your hands and say that voting is useless.
 
I'm saying there is such thing as apathy and nuetrality.

How can you say you care about the issue of abortion, gun control, domestic spying, etc. if you don't take a stance either way?

Give me some examples.

A recognition that there is more than just a choice between the two extremes produced by our winner takes all system.
 
Call me naive, but I do believe that if the general public actually gave a damn, and got involved, that the situation could change radically. The problem is that the average America is not particularly involved. They accept the status quo.

The middle class is mostly to blame for its own situation. Of course the politicians are opportunists, but they're enabled by the complacency of the population.
 
I guess the folks in Rialto, CA didn't get the fascist memo.

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That's great, but you still have people being harassed, beaten and arrested just for filming police in other parts of the country.
 
That's great, but you still have people being harassed, beaten and arrested just for filming police in other parts of the country.
I'm not saying that an abuse of power never happens however, in all of the YouTube videos I've seen where Joe Citizen is being roughed up, there always seems to be more to the story that the video isn't showing you. There are always three sides to every story. Your side, their side, and the truth. The two parties involved each have their own interpretation of what actually happened. The camera isn't so biased.

Also, this sort of device would help to eliminate those problems you mentioned.
 
I think it's the culture of the police world. It brings a certain kind of personality, either people who have god complexes or shortsightedness. Dare I say suppressed racism that they can kinda let loose by being a cop. I hate saying that but in some cases it might be true.

But it does have good people in the law enforcement world but they stay quiet about this because they want to keep their jobs.
 
I think the problem is that these types of discussions and questions are way too loaded. It's either you're 100% in agreement or disagreement.
 
I agree.

Because it's not like cops are grown in a farm. They're people too, many with families. And some of my friends had dads who were cops and they're just fine.
 
Call me naive, but I do believe that if the general public actually gave a damn, and got involved, that the situation could change radically. The problem is that the average America is not particularly involved. They accept the status quo.

The middle class is mostly to blame for its own situation. Of course the politicians are opportunists, but they're enabled by the complacency of the population.

Is it possible the political system is the reason why? From an outsiders perspective it seems like the system doesn't lend itself well for new parties to come out and play or give people other options. Down here for instance we have traditional conservative and liberal parties but they don't always dominate every electoral seat, we actually had a hung parliament only a few years back due to Independents and Greens parties winning votes. We've also had cases of parties who were once popular 10-20 years ago becoming extinct. All I ever hear coming out of the US is Republicans and Democrats, I've never heard of a third party in all my life.
 
Wow....just wow

And people fight and die for idiots to have their beliefs here in this country....

I LOVE America!
 
Wow....just wow

And people fight and die for idiots to have their beliefs here in this country....

I LOVE America!

To be fair not every poster is in lock step with the OP. Many have voiced opinions to challenge it CH. I'm somewhere on page 1 or 2 myself. :yay:
 
Is it possible the political system is the reason why? From an outsiders perspective it seems like the system doesn't lend itself well for new parties to come out and play or give people other options. Down here for instance we have traditional conservative and liberal parties but they don't always dominate every electoral seat, we actually had a hung parliament only a few years back due to Independents and Greens parties winning votes. We've also had cases of parties who were once popular 10-20 years ago becoming extinct. All I ever hear coming out of the US is Republicans and Democrats, I've never heard of a third party in all my life.

Well (and I don't mean to sound like I'm lecturing) there are a few important things to note. It's true that the Republicans and Democrats have been around for a long time (really, by any country's political standards), but the parties have changed radically.

Their ideologies were very different. The Republicans were fairly liberal until the mid 20th century, while the Democratic party evolved into an increasingly liberal party in the early 20th century.

Regionally speaking, the white ruled South was exclusively Democrat until the 1960's. It's hard to imagine, but JFK, and George Wallace (notorious racist) were members of the same political party during their civil rights era clashes. Once the Democrats became anti-segregation, most Southern Democrats became Republicans, who by this point had become conservative. It's worth noting that even the racist Southerners weren't exactly typically conservative in the modern sense. For example, George Wallace actually had some socialist ideas, and many Southern Democrats supported FDR.

So, if you went back in a time machine, and told Lincoln (a Republican) that the Democrats would become the party championing African American rights, he'd probably find that harder to believe than the fact that you time traveled.

America has had some parties that went extinct though. The most famous are the Whigs.

Those two parties stick around because they keep evolving.
 
Are you sure this is the real reason they fight and die for?

Tread lightly. CH was in the military. Her viewpoint comes from someone who seems to take her oath as a veteran very seriously. Just saying.
 
To be fair not every poster is in lock step with the OP. Many have voiced opinions to challenge it CH. I'm somewhere on page 1 or 2 myself. :yay:

As am I. Although I find some things the police do in any country rather scary, there are many examples of police going above and beyond to protect people. There are good and noble police that get hurt trying to protect people on a daily basis.
 
As am I. Although I find some things the police do in any country rather scary, there are many examples of police going above and beyond to protect people. There are good and noble police that get hurt trying to protect people on a daily basis.

There are many good reasons to be wary of govt. power or policy. It's just... Fascist or Pseudo Fascist? Yeah, that's a bridge WAY too far for me. It reeks of... FANBOY OVERSTATEMENT. :cwink: No country in the Western tradition of governance is perfect, and to some it is perhaps weak tea to suggest that it's very good in comparison to other countries way of governing from around the world. But I just can't see how it is comparable to truly authoritarian states. I just don't.
 
There are many good reasons to be wary of govt. power or policy. It's just... Fascist or Pseudo Fascist? Yeah, that's a bridge WAY too far for me. It reeks of... FANBOY OVERSTATEMENT. :cwink: No country in the Western tradition of governance is perfect, and to some it is perhaps weak tea to suggest that it's very good in comparison to other countries way of governing from around the world. But I just can't see how it is comparable to truly authoritarian states. I just don't.

No, it's not comparable to a fascist state. What the OP described is awful and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, but I think "fascist" is an overstatement. Fascist can apply to only the most extremist of regimes. What the OP describes is police brutality. Even if police brutality is more of a problem in the States than in other developed countries, that still doesn't make it comparable to a fascist regime.
 
Tread lightly. CH was in the military. Her viewpoint comes from someone who seems to take her oath as a veteran very seriously. Just saying.

Well, there are plenty of military men and women like CH that have a different opinion about what's really happening with the wars. Just sayin'..

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And those people who have served have a right to their opinion and I wish them all well and would like MORE of the veterans of America's military involved in our politics from all over the spectrum.

But my point was a more a truly personal piece of advice. When it comes to her military service and CH's views, TREAD LIGHTLY. That not about politics, it's about wisdom young sir.

Namaste
 
Wow....just wow

And people fight and die for idiots to have their beliefs here in this country....

I LOVE America!

The best part of America is the ability to improve itself. Unfortunately it can just as easily regress.

It's not idiotic to simply be critical of one's government.
 
No, it's not comparable to a fascist state. What the OP described is awful and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, but I think "fascist" is an overstatement. Fascist can apply to only the most extremist of regimes. What the OP describes is police brutality. Even if police brutality is more of a problem in the States than in other developed countries, that still doesn't make it comparable to a fascist regime.

The term fascist is usually linked to police states where you can be black bagged in the middle of the night simply for opposing the government.

We're not there but we're moving in that direction steadily.

So while America isn't a textbook version of a fascist police state, we are a national security state which is closer to police state than we should be.

We should be moving away from a police state. Moving closer means the terrorist win in some dangerous ways.

You want the terrorist to lose? You don't do it by curbing our essential constitutional rights.
 
The term fascist is usually linked to police states where you can be black bagged in the middle of the night simply for opposing the government.

We're not there but we're moving in that direction steadily.

So while America isn't a textbook version of a fascist police state, we are a national security state which is closer to police state than we should be.

We should be moving away from a police state. Moving closer means the terrorist win in some dangerous ways.

You want the terrorist to lose? You don't do it by curbing our essential constitutional rights.

I can see your point, and I'm open to debate with people about this because I am not American and people who live there surely have a better idea about what it's like than I do. But about the bolded part...I have to ask: If that isn't the way to beat the terrorists, what is the way? Just curious.
 
Just some stats on this rampant abuse of power by police. In 2010, there were roughly 790,000 police officers in the U.S.. Also, there were 4861 unique reports of misconduct by 6613 officer. That would mean that roughly .8% of the cops in this country have been documented as abusing their power.

I think the reason we "see so much of it" stems from the term, "If it bleeds, it leads." Meaning the more horrifying the story, the more attention it gets. YouTube has become a haven for these sorts of stories. Most often showing only the "victim's" side of the incident. That's not to say that some cops don't abuse their power, just that many people have such a disdain for law enforcement that they will go to great lengths to show them in a negative light.

Bottom line, yes, police abusing their authority is a problem but, when compared to just how many cops are out there, it's not even close to level that some would like us to believe. Even if you took the statistics and multiplied them to account for unreported incidents, you would have to more than quintuple the number of incidents to even hit 5%.

Also, in order to call the US any kind of fascist nation, those police would all have to working under the orders of one person, our President.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_police_officers
http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/
 

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