BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer

[Rowsdower!]

I felt that Cavill and Lane had really good chemistry. Even the dialogue in that particular scene worked for me. I hear ya though.

What?! You mean you didn't CRINGE at the CRINGEWORTHY dialogue full of CRINGEWORTHY lines written by a CRINGEWORTHY screenwriter whose scripts make people CRINGE?

 

[charl_huntress]

sometimes dialogue that reads good sounds stiff out loud and dialogue that reads stiff sounds good out loud.

Argo is a really good film and should be watched.

I've seen Argo and I agree. I also agree with about things reading stiff and sounding good out loud and vice versa, but I'm talking about it sounding stiff...not reading it, Roach. It just was ...stiff. That's the word that comes to my mind when I think of some scenes. There's nothing wrong with them inherently, but I wish the words spoken matched some of the intensity. That's really the only way I can put it.

 

[roach]

What?! You mean you didn't CRINGE at the CRINGEWORTHY dialogue full of CRINGEWORTHY lines written by a CRINGEWORTHY screenwriter whose scripts make people CRINGE?

 

[DChero]

The dialog between Cavill and Adams never seemed off to me. The toughest piece of dialog for me to tolerate was the scene in which Lois meets Hardy. There had to be something cut from that scene because she jumps into that "measuring d****" line almost completely unprovoked. I think that a similar situation happened with the scene with young Clark in school when his mom shows up immediately and delivers the "island" speech. It happens so quick that it just seems like a lot more was cut out.

 

[roach]

I've seen Argo and I agree. I also agree with about things reading stiff and sounding good out loud and vice versa, but I'm talking about it sounding stiff...not reading it, Roach. It just was ...stiff. That's the word that comes to my mind when I think of some scenes. There's nothing wrong with them inherently, but I wish the words spoken matched some of the intensity. That's really the only way I can put it.

I don't think the dialogue was stiff in Argo...those scenes were pretty good dialogue wise.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

What?! You mean you didn't CRINGE at the CRINGEWORTHY dialogue full of CRINGEWORTHY lines written by a CRINGEWORTHY screenwriter whose scripts make people CRINGE?

Get a hold of yourself, man!

 

[charl_huntress]

I don't think the dialogue was stiff in Argo...those scenes were pretty good dialogue wise.

We got our wires crossed because I don't think the dialogue in Argo is stiff either. I'm not sure what we are talking about now...t:

 

[Rowsdower!]

Hahaha. Sorry, I just hear "cringeworthy" to describe Goyer's dialogue and scripts so often around here that I have to poke fun at it once in a while. It's as if people literally don't know any other word to describe flawed writing.

 

[NosfeRomas]

You want a wire ? I got a wire ! Speak into the mic, biatch !


sorry i couldn't resist. Breaking Bad changed my life in a breaking...wait for it...bad way.

 

[John-An]

Most of Cavill's scenes would apply to my complaint. I thought he was really shortchanged. Barely a notch above Routh's own dialog scenes in SR.

You can't compare the dialogue from both movies. Cause one is an origin movie showing a confused Clark searching his place in the world and another is a fully stablished Superman and barely spoke. I don't agree with this.

I agree. Luckily, the caliber of acting in MOS was much better, so the actors were able to make the most of what lines they had, especially Cavill. Luckily, he is strong with non-verbal acting. And Cavill/Adams had chemistry that came across with how they looked at each other, unlike Bosworth/Routh. I can only imagine what the MOS actors can do with more dialogue.

IMO in those situations when Cavill didn't speak, he speak with his acting. I mean he represented a Clark with doubts, finding his place in this world after all he's gone throught, I didn't need that dialogue in those scenes.
I felt the Lois-Clark chemistry very real althought this relationship needs to be fully-established and I was sold by the Lois-Clark's scenes and their mid-stablished relationship that wasn't oversweet and I felt them pretty real IMO. I loved the Martha-Clark talking (I wish it was longer).
But one thing for sure is that this movie needs to be great developed according to dialogue cause we saw already Clark's origin and we need to see the stablished Clark interacting with the world (Lois, Bruce, Martha, Perry).

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

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The dialog has a really nice sense of flow to it..like real people having real conversations. Without the awkward stammers, of course.

I say Chris (and probably Ben) is a welcome addition

 

[roach]

We got our wires crossed because I don't think the dialogue in Argo is stiff either. I'm not sure what we are talking about now...t:

wait are we talking Argo or Man of Steel?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ You can tell that the actors weren't used to using the word Codex. So I would say "Man of Steel."

 

[charl_huntress]

wait are we talking Argo or Man of Steel?

I'm saying that the dialogue for MOS was stiff. I really enjoyed the dialogue in Argo, which was very surprising for me because I expected to be bored out of my mind.

^ You can tell that the actors weren't used to using the word Codex. So I would say "Man of Steel."

LOLLOLOLO....lol t:

Good one.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

^ Without Goyer, MOS and BB wouldn't be made and Marvel wouldn't have its first hit. Goyer also placed Del Toro in the mainstream with the Blade sequel.

^^I see what you are saying and this is true. I actually get a kick out the people who forget the above you just mentioned. I'm just glad Goyer doesn't over load his dialogue with cheesy corny one liners. All of this while making those gags when destruction and tragedy surrounds the characters. Just double standards.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

You want a wire ? I got a wire ! Speak into the mic, biatch !


sorry i couldn't resist. Breaking Bad changed my life in a breaking...wait for it...bad way.

*Skinny Pete voice* That's church yo. For real.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Great news!

Most folks wanted a co writer to assist Goyer with the polishing up of the screenplay and now we have got an Oscar winning screenwriter like Terrio to assist, who worked with Affleck on Argo.

Great move by WB's!

However, I have a feeling some of you will still not be satisfied by this move and will look for something else to possibly complain about. Sigh....

Can't wait to read the awkward complaints this time around. Should be interesting to read/hear.

 

[D.P.]

What's the golden standard by which we are measuring CBM movie dialogue here?

Like, what's the bar?

I understand this is subjective, but what CBMs have you seen that are so far superior to MOS in dialogue and pacing that it makes Nolan/Goyer/Snyder's work look amateur? I'm trying to understand why this has been such a talking point for so long.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^^I see what you are saying and this is true. I actually get a kick out the people who forget the above you just mentioned. I'm just glad Goyer doesn't over load his dialogue with cheesy corny one liners. All of this while making those gags when destruction and tragedy surrounds the characters. Just double standards.

MOS: The Marvel Version..

Superman throws Zod into space: "Prepare to reach new heights!"

 

[charl_huntress]

What's the golden standard by which we are measuring CBM movie dialogue here?

Like, what's the bar?

I understand this is subjective, but what CBMs have you seen that are so far superior to MOS in dialogue and pacing that it makes Nolan/Goyer/Snyder's work look amateur? I'm trying to understand why this has been such a talking point for so long.

I never said their work was amateur hour. Not at all, but for me the dialogue was stiff in some areas. There are really no recent comparisons I can think of outside of Marvel, but I'd use IM as an example. Not saying I want Marvel humor, but they way they spoke felt (and sounded) natural.

 

[D.P.]

Whedon excels at natural sounding banter so I can't disagree there.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I never said their work was amateur hour. Not at all, but for me the dialogue was stiff in some areas. There are really no recent comparisons I can think of outside of Marvel, but I'd use IM as an example. Not saying I want Marvel humor, but they way they spoke felt (and sounded) natural.

That's because parts of the script weren't complete when filming, and the actors ad-libbed chunks of dialog while frantic writers were trying to figure out how to to revise it. "They had no script, man. They had an outline. We would show up for big scenes every day and we wouldn't know what we were going to say. We would have to go into our trailer and work on this scene and call up writers on the phone, 'You got any ideas?' Meanwhile the crew is tapping their foot on the stage waiting for us to come on."-Bridges on IM.

I also think the Justin Hammer scenes in the sequel were probably ad-libbed too.

That does it! Let's chug that script! I bet Amy has a whole monologue on Superman in her head! t:

 

[charl_huntress]

Well...it sounded natural. That's the bar. I don't care how they get there, but I hope they do in some way shape or fashion.

 

[Steamteck]

Well, I'll be cautiously optimistic but then I loved MOS and most of Goyer's work but really really disliked TDK and found it full of holes not normally seen in Goyer's work. So another writer could tighten some things up or completely screw things up..

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Well, I'll be cautiously optimistic but then I loved MOS and most of Goyer's work but really really disliked TDK and found it full of holes not normally seen in Goyer's work. So another writer could tighten some things up or completely screw things up..

That's because he didn't write the actual script.